The Valkyrie Files

http://i.imgur.com/ha9hkro.jpgValks are getting a buff, read my thread to be ahead of the game when Valkyries rise out of obscurity!

Valkyries Makeover - For the new thread go here http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Valkyrie+Guide

Video: http://supr.cl/ValkyrieSneakPeek

1) AI makeover
-She now intentionally targets multiple buildings. Meaning if 4 buildings are touching, she will attack at that point. This is huge
2) Some sort of healing ability, possible similar to warriors in boom beach. Not much is known about this one but if you watch the video from Daddy on youtube closely enough there is some sort of minor healing going on.

Jump Spell Makeover
http://supr.cl/NewJumpSpell

Now units respond to an active jump spell, check the vid. Big plus for valkyrie

Valkyrie

Pros -
-can makes heros and CC troops look like a minor issue, sometimes even a welcomed problem
-Basically she is a mini PEKKA with no weakness to Teslas and splash damage
-Once breaking into the core, she can seriously tear things apart due to her splash damage (taking out 2 teslas at a time for example)
-Handles infernos in either mode well. There about the perfect housing space side to soak up damage from discos or to be less than super effective in single target.

Cons -
-Seriously high in DE cost (If you bring 10 into battle its 1,600 DE, 15 and its already 2000)
-Ridiculous training time - been only able to use her as an overnight build
-Very slow attack speed, tends to stand in front of target for a painfully long period of time
-High housing space requirement, can't bring a lot of her into battle
-AI isn't the best (combined with housing space, this is a problem)
-Really needs a 5th level at Th10, they don't tank well enough

Clan Wars Note: Valkyries should be considered a clan castle donation. If a base has strong air defenses, a pair of Valkyries may be devastating to a hog or giant attack. You shouldn't put in more than 2, because of the fact they do not attack air but 1 or 2 can be very effective against a ground attack. They also take a lightening spell to the face pretty well.

Valkyrie Tactics

The Lure
Probably the best tactic for the Valkyrie because its unique to this particular unit. This involves using the clan castle troops or heros to draw your Valkyries into the core of a base.

To work ideally you need the Archer Queen to be positioned directly behind your intended target. Her long range makes her ideal for this maneuver and with the clan castle you never know what you're going to actually get. Draw out the units not apart of your lure and eliminate, then initiate the attack directly opposite the lure. The other option is to lead your attack with a golem, so that it draws the attention of the CC, not your Valkyries.

Either trigger the lure from the opposite side of your attack or wait for the lure to come within triggering range. Once this happens the Queen or CC troops will move in to eliminate your troops. At this point drop a jump spell to allow the Valkyries to basically sprint to their intended target, drop a rage spell at an appropriate location (at the site of the lure). As a Th10, I often then freeze the area around the lure to allow for 8 seconds of destruction - add 1 rage.

This works best with low level queens because of her range. Anything less than 20 is going to work. Higher than that and you may either need a well calculated freeze after the trigger or a different strategy. With CC troops you'll want to be careful as witches and wizards are common. A lightning spell can weaken CC troops but wizards can do significant damage with only 1 attack (and with the delay in the Valyries attack that is a problem). Witches may be chew up quickly by Valkyries but if they have enough time to spawn skeletons they still possess the ability to delay your units long enough for surrounding defenses to do significant damage. For Th10 the Freeze spell is a great option to make sure the Valkyries get the job done.

Major Compositions
Valkyrie/Healer
Description: Valks are decent tanks and like giants work well with healers. Unfortunately the AI of both units is problematic. It seems best to go all melee or use flying support units. I've used wizards but if the healers start giving them attention instead of the Valkyries you run into problems. Golems are bad in this mix because healers can get latched onto them instead of your valks (since Golems are very likely to follow a different path than your Valkyries). Not sure if its a good idea to mix the jump spell into these combinations as healers do best sitting back, behind the line of fire. As a Th10, I've had trouble really getting a good feel for the strategy due to the difficulty of using healers vs other Th10 players.

Its important when using these tactics to clear a way for the Valkyries so that they do not circle the base. Their AI is the same as a barbarian or a PEKKA. Also selecting bases where they move as a group is important if the healers are focusing on the Valkyries. Open style bases can be problematic because Valkyrie will split up. If wizards come out of the CC you can be in a world of hurt (again they need to only get off 1 attack to ruin your raid)

Example Comps:

Giants & Valkyries/Healer: 6 Valkyries, 12 Giants, 3 Healers, 13 Wizards, 15 Wallbreakers (Suggested Spells, 1 Heal & Jump, 2 Rage and a Freeze)

Valkyrie & Dragons: 15 Valkyrie, 2-3 Healers, 2-3 Dragons, 20 Wallbreakers - Freeze and Rage

Mass Valk/Healer: 5 Healers, rest Valkyries minus wallbreakers - spell combinations vary

YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1Mi7QMbKTk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY2nvlwkfTY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOBX...wAe3M-NHWB281w

Valkyrie & Jump - AKA the Blitz
Description: Of the three broad strategies listed this is the one I feel is most unique to the Valkyrie. Basically with her movement speed and relatively decent attack she makes an ideal candidate for the jump spell and probably the only unit in the game that makes it seem like a solid spell.

This is the tactic where making use of your enemy troops as a lure is ideal but you have to be very tactical about it. If you bring any wallbreakers they should just be for an easily destroyed outter wall. If not luring the CC its best to lead with a golem to draw the fire. Opening with Golems, Wizards and Witches is a good idea to neutralize major threats. Deploy a few Valkyries at this point as needed, once the enemy troops lock onto that Golem mass deploy and drop the jump spell. This should allow your Valkyries to make a beeline for said troops and make short work of them. Freeze spells are great in these scenerios and if not a heal or two is probably best for insurance. You can also reserve a freeze for said troops, though this is also best calculated so that you get a high priority defense and those troops at the same time.

Despite being a Tank class unit, its best to spread the Valkyries out in this maneuver, as splash damage can really do a number on your forces. So laying 2 jump spells initially might be best. Wizards in the CC are the absolute bane, as if they even get one attack off you could easily loss 8 Valkyries in 1 shot.

Golems, Witches, and Wizards are the best compliments to this strategy. Golems are excellent distractions, Witches provide allot of fodder and Wizards have very high DPS.

Example Comps:

Mass Valkyries: 2 Golems, 20 Valkyries, 5 Wizards/1 Witch & 2 Wizards - 2 Witches in the CC with Wizards - 2-3 jump, 1-2 Rage, 1-2 Freeze

Mass Valkyries 2 (no Golem): 20 Valkyries, 20 Wizards, 3 Jump Spells, 1 heal, 1 rage (Th9 possibility, Golems are important vs Th10 due to the DPS of the defenses at that level)

Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcSZ4JVokWA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-HI3mD-NVU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-JoruLcIrU

Breaching the Core
Description: This isn't a strategy in and of itself, its more of a compliment to existing ones. The nuts and bolts of this tactic is to keep 8-10 Valkyrie in the wings and to deploy them once a path has been cleared. Most people do not know this but Valkyrie are actually quite devastating in the tightly packed core of a base. Perhaps the longest standing use of Valkyries, which is used in high level play, is opening with a GoWiWi attack, and then deploying 10 Valkyrie with heros to take out the core. This same maneuver can be used with giant/healer.

As I stated earlier, this really isn't a "Valkyrie" composition so much as an effective role Valkyrie can play. I used Giant/Valkyrie/Healer/Wizard extensively when my spell factory was upgrading and it proved very successful Vs strong Th9 bases (without spells).

Example Comps:

GoWiWi & Valkyries: 10 Valkyries, 10 Wizards, 1 Golem, 4 Witches, 16 Wallbreakers, 10 barbarians, 2 Rage, 2 Freeze, 1 lightening - Note the videos featured a goelm in the CC

Giant/Valkyrie/Healer: 12 Giants, 8 Valkyrie, 3 Healers, 20 Wallbreakers, 10 Wizards, 4 Archers - throw in a mix of spells

Mixed Tactics with Valkyrie: 12 Giants, 10 Barbarians, 14 Archers, 8 Valkyrie, 10 Wizards, 16 Wallbreakers - heal and rage spells (effective Th9 and below)

Youtube Videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlYPlSOEqKI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=508Q0P8GIFk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hwj2C7K3jYI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zf5B...wAe3M-NHWB281w

Troop/Spell Synergy
Archers/Barbarians - The Valkyrie can join the mix easy enough but works best for CC troops or attacking compact compartments. Giants tend to tank a bit better due to AI

Wizards - together very powerful, there high combined DPS and splash is a force to reckon with

PEKKA - not sure mine are lvl 1 but should be good for there spring trap immunity

Goblins - no, not good together

Balloons - AI of the Valk is a poor match however this is one I plan to revisit

Golem and Giants - these actually work well together, these units stay in front and make a good first wave with Valks coming in play to deal with CC troops and destroying the core as a second or third wave

Dragons - if you want healers, then they provide good support. However, than all traps are an issue. Dragons are also slow and prone to AD fire, which at higher level is an issue with using a mixed combination.

Minions - similar to above but the DE cost gets high, also they do not trigger seeking air mines

Witches - Provides great distracting fire but racks up the DE cost and training time

Hogs - not bad for CC troops and clean-up but racks up more DE and uses the same barracks.

Healers - I will always have trouble getting over the variability in healer performance but after a few more test runs, if not bringing a Golem to a high level base you best have some healers. Vs Th10 Valkyries just don't have the Hp to take too much heat and without healers will get shot down pretty fast. I've run a few tests with a glut of freeze spells and it helps allot. There solid verses Th9 but I still have to run a few tests to see if I can make it work vs Th10

Spells

Heal - good if you can keep the valks together

Rage - raging valks destroy!

Jump - probably the only unit outside of witches that makes this spell seem good, lvl 1 is fine

Freeze - If willing to pile on spells, Freeze + Rage with Valks and Wizards makes quick work of buildings in those 8 seconds. Also Freeze on CC troops is fairly effective with Valkyries since Valkyries can destroy CC and buildings at the same time, only thing is that it doesn't take many attacks from high level wizards to ruin your day.


Overall

I've come a long ways in developing Valkyrie strategies. The one I am still working on is the Valkyrie/Healer strategies. They're a powerful combination but at my current Th level of 10, healers are definitely a liability. The jump spell promises the most unique strategy that does work but mastering the use of a lure within that strategy is difficult. Valkyrie can be prone to attacking everything but what you want them to. There use as a special unit to take on the core is a solid strategy, if only Valkyrie trained after and where cheaper it could be a staple strategy.

Suggestions for the Unit - removed


Additions Comments (4.0)
If the changes SC is taking about area going to take effect like I think they will all my peeps out there with level 4 valks are gonna want to read this thread. For clan wars and trophy pushing she is going to be a serious contender. There are some unknows right now but even with just the AI change and the healing ability that is somehow in effect all of these tactics will be much more effective. Tho I really hope they address her training time, even if they don't mixed tactics might be a very good push farming combo for late Th9.

very interesting. Mine are still level 1, but once I get them up I will use your strategies

Something I think they should do is make it so when Valkyrie attack something they regain health sorta like the warrior in boom beach, this may be to OP however I think it could make the Valkyrie the troop everyone wants!

Instead of using valks as the main force, i use mines as support for my farming army. my composition is as follows:
80 archers
40 barbs
12 giants
12 wb
2 valks

my valks are maxed, and costs 320 de in total. I use them mainly to kill cc troops and heroes, so i can save my lightning spells for destroying a mortar and let my remaining farming army destroy the rest of the base

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Originally Posted by snail88

Instead of using valks as the main force, i use mines as support for my farming army. my composition is as follows:
80 archers
40 barbs
12 giants
12 wb
2 valks

my valks are maxed, and costs 320 de in total. I use them mainly to kill cc troops and heroes, so i can save my lightning spells for destroying a mortar and let my remaining farming army destroy the rest of the base

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I've heard of people doing this, have never seen it in action.

If the CC is unlureable can you use Valks or do you need to lure those troops to where you can drop the Valks on top of them?

How do you deploy them to get the job done, and is it as effective as a lightening spell?

great thread!! very helpful. +100:D

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

I've heard of people doing this, have never seen it in action.

If the CC is unlureable can you use Valks or do you need to lure those troops to where you can drop the Valks on top of them?

How do you deploy them to get the job done, and is it as effective as a lightening spell?

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It's still safer to lure the cc first, as dragons or minions could potentially ruin your raid. If only archers or barbs come out, it's not a big deal, and valks tend to kill the entire group in one or two attacks. Just drop the valks down when the troops are all out of the castle, they'll go directly for them.They also tank pretty well, and do decent damage if they survive.

I see it as an alternative to using a lightning spell. valks take half the time to train

honestly i used this valks with 2 golems and 2 jumb spell and the rest rage i did not use wall breakers at all just two golems and 1 more in my cc and the rest all valks and honestly it will for sure and not maybe give u 1 star at lest becouse the always manage to destroy the town hall and they helped me to reash from cristal1 to master 3!!! but they also have some problems and they are is that they get distracted easly with the stuffs out side the base like they attack collectors and army camps out side the base before going back in and the other problem is they are expensive to use .

if some one can help me in how to make those mini pekkas go inside the base directly and not distroying stuffs out side the building becouse if they can go inside directly then i am sure i will get al least 2 stars and not 1

Thx for this input !
Will def try this

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Originally Posted by snail88

Instead of using valks as the main force, i use mines as support for my farming army. my composition is as follows:
80 archers
40 barbs
12 giants
12 wb
2 valks

my valks are maxed, and costs 320 de in total. I use them mainly to kill cc troops and heroes, so i can save my lightning spells for destroying a mortar and let my remaining farming army destroy the rest of the base

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

16 Valkyrie, 16 Wizards and Wallbreakers (3 rage spells)
-Functioned like a Barch attack on steroids

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My Valks are only level 2 but you've convinced me to try this.

Added a new test combo

Content updated, strategy added

iv always thought to make them more usefull, have them target a certain building. since so many target defenses already it would be cool, imo, to have them target resouces or storages.

great thread! I may try these strategies as overnight builds.

You want to improve valkyrie? Do one thing. Give it affinity to "Dark Elixir" storages and collectors.


Strategy wise, since DE storages are deep inside, valkyrie will be used to 1. farm for DE, and 2. Punch to the center of strong bases. Its description too mentions its power gained due to dark elixir.


This one simple change will increase its usage tremendously and change the dynamics of all games since both farmers and trophy hunters will find use for it.


Do let me know how you feel about this suggestion.

Clan Wars has given me an excuse to cook up a few more Valkyrie armies.

I still believe they got good potential. Adding a 5th level would be big deal for me. I have several strategies laid out here that are effective but Valkyries probably rank somewhere between a lvl 6 giant and a lvl 5 golem or lvl 6 wizard.

Added a section about specific units and there synergy as I am gaining a pretty good idea about this. Added a Jump and Valkyrie strategy I used. I did utilize healers but am unsure of there usefulness with Valks.

Ive had mine at level four for almost a month. I think they have huge potential, but right now i only use them as a cc troop killer. Id love to use them regularly but they're just too expensive.

Greetings from the Valk enthusiast

I have the Jump+Rage Valk/Wiz combo a few more tries. It does exceptional verses Th9 but advanced Th10 seem to pack enough fire power to chew things up.

Added 2 Golems and liked the result. About 75% a th10 base with lvl 1 infernos and moderate defenses in clan wars. The jump spell can be an unanticipated problem for an opponent in clan wars. No one makes an anti-jump base!

I am still working with lvl 5 wizards. Itching for lvl 6 and my golems are only lvl 3.

I have freeze fully upgraded and a Jump, Rage, Freeze can be a monster for taking advantage of an opening. Not a farming comp but solid.


I also got tickled in a recent clan war where the Giant/Healer + Valkyrie/Wizard combo 3 starred one of my clans bases with only level 1 valks!

Clan wars seems to be great for the Valkyrie. She is occasionally seen on defense and a pair isn't uncommon to see mopping up CC troops or standing in for a few giants.

I have been converted. After getting spanked by some valkyries in an opposing clan castle, I have realized just how good they are. They took out 40 archers with no problem and I had to bring out my king to get rid of them. I look forward to using your strategies in my next clan war just to see how strong they can be. Thanks for this detailed info you posted :)

Great thread! Valks are definitely overlooked, and arent as bad as they say. I'll be sure to try these out once i max valks.

Nice thread! I'm sure that more people will use Valkyries now just because of this thread!

Its been a while and I've run more tests. Learning more but the cost and training time of the Valkyrie are a real hindrance to figuring out how she is best utilized. I'm grinding out hero levels so I don't like to drop 3,000+ thousand DE left and right.

Fortunately in the past week or two several youtube videos have cropped up featuring her in REAL attacks. Now 9/10 vids are still just mass Valkyrie attacks done for a laugh or two but there was a few gems.


Summary:

There seems to be 3 major uses of the Valkyrie. The most unique is in conjunction with the jump spell. I even found vids of a player 2 staring maxed Th10 bases with it. I've had good luck with it and plan to try it out more. The second is in conjunction with healers. As a Th10 player this has been hard for me to perfect. For one, if wizards pop out of the CC that is very very bad. If a pair gets off even 1 attack you could loss up to 8 Valkyrie. Its one reason why I came up just short of a 3 star against a maxed out Th9 base. So it has produced dismal and very good results. The final isn't really a Valkyrie specific composition as it is a use she has in already existing strategies. She is very good once inside a tight packed core. Using 8-10 in a final wave against the core in a GoWi or Giant/Healer combo is quite effective.

Anyway, I hope soon to feel comfortable enough to release a Valkyrie strategy guide :)

Comments?

Yes this is a bump

Anyone?


If you've already read the thread - I changed allot of things

This is really cool!!! So much tactics! I will test them out!

The army seems expensive, but I will try this out :o

Amazing thread, this made me want to buy gems to get those Valks. :p

12-16 Giants
10Valks
1Pekka
5wb...

5 archer or barb to lure cc


find a base where you can easily break up into the first layer of walls without anything outside to distract valk and pekka going outside...

send giants first wave... 2wb to break.. send the valk and pekka... put one rage first... then follow with heal potion... third one should be another rage or even another heal...

i'm th8 by the way

first time poster on forum...LOVE this thread...been trying to get into using Valks (lvl1 right now)...use her from time to time with good results...

just stuck a bunch in Castles for clans war ...curious to see how that goes (we've also got Wiz/Arch in a few).

After reading this post several days ago, i decided to test it out. I quickly found out the valkyries arent as useless as i originally thought! They are actually pretty good when you know how to use them. Thanks for the tips!

Thanks for all the feedback!

My day has come, Valkyries are getting a buff - check Daddy's youtube vid at 1 PM today to see how my strategies will come to dominate!

I've run 3 jump 1 freeze 1 rage ago with 2 golems 14 Valks, 10 wiz and 2 witch

EDIT:

My phone was acting funny.

Anywho the combination crushed a premature Th10 with aid of heros and did serious damage to mid-development TH10.

I am very excited for the update because the change to her AI will make her much easier to use and make her behavior much more ideal. It means a lure isn't necessary to get her to capitalize on that splash.


Daddy from youtuber is also alluding to other changes. It appears she is also gaining a minor heal ability.

Jump spell is getting a makeover! Check my strats out, they are getting a buff!

http://supr.cl/NewJumpSpell