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Thanks for the reply Steve. I can believe what you're saying as an overall figure. But I wonder what the outcomes of these figures are when you segment them in cupranges and/or TH-levels. I expect that lower ranges will not be nexting a lot and highlevel Cuppers neither. But the farming TH8/9/10s will probably stand out. Just my expectation. Could you confirm you've taken that into account in your analysis of the number? Thanks for replying.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
We're actually running an analysis right now so I'll make sure I set up a reminder to myself to share those results with everyone when they are ready. Data coming...
I'm th 8 and if anything I think loot is slightly better than before. Not sure what the big deal is. I think its all in your heads personally.
Problem is that there is such a huge number of players so it is very difficult to say what is the over all trend of anything based on personal experience, clanmate experience and even forum experience. Yes there was a change in the loot system, but also the number of players in higher town halls is growing and many players have stopped upgrading their mines/collectors. All changes added with the human factors can lead to very diverse results for players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mendicus
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Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
Welcome back from your hol Steve... we've been waiting for you :P
Yay~ That would be ace. I love data.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
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Thank you! Can you make a thread yourself please so no search?
I wonder what the feedback would be if supercell didn't promote the change so much. I can only speak for myself but prior to the change as a th10 I averaged a terrible 50,000 gold per raid. Now I can average closer to 100,000. Do I next more yes but only by choice. I can be more selective.
Will do!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ross44
Good idea
I remember hearing Steve saying he would be sharing some graphs, charts and info on the new loot system. That was months ago and they never came. Don't hold your breath guys. I shook my magic 8 ball and asked if we would get statistics from SC and it said "all signs point to no"
It would be really interesting to see this Data, my number 1 concern is exactly what data we will be seeing, because in isolation can be twisted to make what we want if it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
I think it would be very useful to see:
1) how much loot is changes hands per hour compared to before the change to the loot system
2) how many times next is pressed per hour compared to before
3) how many battles are fought per hour compared
4) what is the average loot available for raid compared to before.
5) some kind of way to gauge overall activity of the average player.
6) how much gold is raided from collectors as apposed to storage.
I think enough time has passed since the change to the system that people will have changed strategies in order to compensate for how the system now works.
The point of this change was to make raiding more fun by creating a wider variety in loot hauls, has this happened, was the intention to allow players to make more profit? Are they?
The question is not is it workable, it's is the situation more fun?
Thanks so far for the feedback.
Data can be twisted the way it suits Super cell. I think they believed the old system was making it to easy to progress and that way they changed it. The idea was to confront the active players a lot more by reducing the inactive bases and giving more loot at attacking an active player with some savings.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
Of course the active player that has been attacked will be upset and will probably use gems to heal his heroes, boost his barracks and spell factory for the revenge …..see where I am going with it.
It all comes down to one thing like it always does.
What I don’t understand is why explain to us that they are trying to help, do they really think we are that stupid
What i would love to see is a moderator or someone "in house" backing us up and saying yes indeed this is a real problem that is really happening instead of explaining away with imaginative statistics or playing down the actual significance or size of the problem.Honestly everytime a loot thread pops up its ALWAYS a hot topic because it actually is a massive problem,Now some people are obviously getting the worst of it and have terrible loot and some say they get good loot.BUT it still means there is a problem there and it needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.My motivation to play is so low these days because whats the use really?I want a fun and exciting game NOT to just maintain my base as a chore.Im not bashing SC here because i honestly love the game as we all do here but how much longer can we maintain for without the excitement in the game?Not much longer for me,and id say thats the case with hundreds if not thousands of others too.looking at my gem spending alone im predicting a lot less ppl buying gems if the game doesnt see a marked improvement soon
another data I would be interesting to see would be the boosted barracks and spells. Why?
after the loots system change > increase in nexting > I go up in cups where there is more loot > bases are stronger > I need stronger armies > Longer training times > I cannot wait > i boost barracks and spell factory to counter that > my nexting is now not as high as it would be if i did not boost.
Yes, I understand that the reduction in boosting costs is also a considerable factor, but still... And I bet my account that SC reduced the boost cost to counter the loot problem (and make some more profit in the process ;))
We do have quite a few quotes from our unpaid moderators that back up many of the facts concerning the loot issues. That may be all we get however. One would have a pretty big job of going to grab them all and putting them into context in one post.Quote:
Originally Posted by CunningLinguists
I do agree with you here. It would be really nice if a mod would step up and help us fix this game. As it is, I've all bit quit and so has every single friend I have ever made in game. I just can't believe SC let it get this far. Blows my mind.
Im hunting right now...2500 cups and counting...
I next far less than when farming because priorities are different...what I can say is this after having feet in both camps...
After around 2400 making resource profit is SLOOOOW - even after mines, raids and bonus...I'm flat on elixir after a full day of raiding and my gold is up maybe 800k...and im using a conservative army and limited spells...
Next when farming is a nightmare...sometimes its good, but this typically depends on how many abandons I see. Basically, active players are finding it quite easy to use up gold before going off line so that less than 100k is available spread over 4 storages - so you basically need a three star to get the loot.
So, what would I conclude?
Farming is viable...but you just need to accept less than before...the change did not help farmers (hardcore) imo...we could make more gold before...but then maybe SC did not want to help farmers...
I think the resource situation for those in Crystal 1 and up may need looking at. People that want to push stop because they can not sustain their armies...be that due to spell or simply build costs...im raiding people for 40k just because they have nice cups for me...40k+bonus and im barely breaking even on my army - add spells and im losing...even though im winning - huh?! Anyway...
Its a shame that hunting is not really sustainable without gems...more people would probably play higher in cups if they could make a good profit and therefore pay for 8m upgrades after a few heavy play sessions...
Now I log in once a day, clear mines and pumps, attack once(maybe) and log out
Depressing stuff..
I have read the thread from start to finish and there seems to be a number of points running through it covering the following.
1) "There is No Loot" Complaints
2) Way too much nexting Complaints
3) Im finding Loot ok
Im not certain but maybe, just maybe the problem here is that we have been spoilt in the past.
When the Loot system did not have the Sliding Scale based on TH we knew where we were. We knew what a "Good" loot amount was It wasn't that variable the only variable we had was the amount in mines.
Now we see 400k/340k/280k and we think yeah nice.. We had the boost event when loot was amazing and we were all seeing these big hits. Now the Honeymoon period is over and the definition of a good raid is blurred and your all seeking that "perfect" raid.
I have seen TH10s saying that 150k is a good raid now.. Well to be honest 150k was always a good Raid.
Is it not just a case that our loot expectations are higher than before? Hence we are more likely to skip a raid that 3 months ago you would have hit, simply because you know that there is the higher loot cap in place and you may actually find a 400k hit?
Just because these 400k raids exist doesn't mean your gonna be able to raid them, most of the big hits i see are extremely well protected, hence they have the larger amount in the first place.
Maybe this "Nexting" issue is all in your head
You and your lists bill;) while I hear your points and agree with most of them it isn't so much that its good loot but you have to shovel through so much ♥♥♥♥ to get to that loot it isn't worth the time and commitment... While 150k has always been good we are used to having options ranging from 50-150k frequently now its 10k 20k 300k! Its merely the variance that is frustrating which confirms that there is no perfect trophy range.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
For me, and this may be a controversial viewpoint, the loot issue (Farmers Problem) and the Cloud issue (Trophy Hunters Problem) are intrinsically linked.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ranger3399
Lets play a little game. Lets put an imaginary Trophy Range on Town Halls
Town Hall / Min Range / Max Range
TH10 / 2800 / 3400
TH 9 / 2200 / 2799
TH 8 / 1900 / 2199
Now lets assume that you are automatically placed into this range based on TH.
Now think about the Numbers of players in each one of those brackets, and lets assume that when searching you will only see a player in you allocate range.
I suspect the Loots would be quite interesting, im not for one minute suggesting that we can only raid like THs im saying that if we all played to our Bases Natural Ranges would these issues that people complain about go away?
I don't know the answer to that but it would be an interesting discussion topic. The Problem is how do SC incentivise farmers to do this?
Seriously, are you really expecting any presented data/stats from Supercell/staff to support anything but SC's claims that everything is fine?
Isn't that the same thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Either way, ain't gonna happen. Praying on weaker bases has always been the way people farm (and is much more efficient than raiding bases with the same level). It can fix the loot issue, but it might not fix the "next" issue. Seeing bases with 400k each doesn't mean that you can raid them all with your 30mins army. The risk of being revenged and more importantly, the difficulty in saving loot will be way too high for higher townhall.
That's not good for farming at all, imo.
You have kind of missed the Point. Farming, as you know it wouldn't be required, because they would be incentivised to go for Trophies, which would provide the Loot in order to progress base improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
The only way to do this would be in tie better loot to the League system, which they still have done nothing (worthwhile )with since it was implemented.
I will have to politely disagree with you there I'm afraid, although I had to think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Loot is worse, I take far less per hour/day now and my storages fill up slower than before the loot patch. But yeah, I do see some posts where I think *hmmm you probably always had a problem with obtaining loot. Equally I see posts that make me think *hmmm you raided two 400k bases in 1 day and your happy with the loot, that's not much for a day. Also a few that say they play casually and take 7+million gold per day (trolls).
Just because we have players at both extremes that are clueless, doesn't mean that the majority of players opinions aired on here are wrong. And the vast majority are saying the loot is clearly worse and they are very clearly seeing a big increase in the next button usage
Perception is reality. If players, en masse (and only SC can see the reall impact here) are saying that they are having a less enjoyable experience, then given this game is all about raiding and upgrading, then "spoiled in the past" has little to do with anything. The game should get more enjoyable, not less...Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
For the record, im playing devil's advocate...I think loot could be better and yes, like it was in the past does, for me, seem to be "better". But I have stopped caring...Will give an opinion here and there but im nearly maxed on TH10 so am now hunting...my game is near an end regardless....
well that is ♥♥ since my loot is good and i'm no kid whining .Quote:
Originally Posted by memerylane
It too find it difficult to care/post constructively nowadays (but it remains that this has been the best game i think i have ever played and will probably remain at that spot for some time), hence i do care.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlito
Absolutely agree with the Enjoyment part, i haven't really enjoyed my game for 3 months, yet i'm still grinding away in the hope that something new / some game changing aspect is introduced that will re-ignite the flame that dwindles.
I envy those who have been able to move on.
I have Trophy Hunted, and i have had my say on that aspect of the game, my opinion on that will not alter, the trophy system still remains the most flawed part of this game.
I cannot comment on Gold.. i will also point out i was saying "Maybe"... Offering an alternate perspective.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gendel
I was hunting DE pre-update and have been since. Therefore i cannot comment on Gold..
However i do feel it is fair to say that DE does not seem ANY different im still finding 1.5k in 2k range within 20 or so skips.
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Originally Posted by ColonelForbin
This right here should be enough for everyone to already KNOW SC has just about "peaked" on this game.
Clan wars never came although they talked about it over half a year ago, the loot system is broken (anyone saying it is not is ignoring the swarm of loyal SC players coming on here to complain) Just because the weather is fine in your neck of the woods doesn't mean global warming is not happening. I've noticed a lot of apologists no longer riding SC's D.
A lot of hardcore clashers are starting secondary accounts just to get that old feeling back.
SC "talked" about a lot of things that never truely materialized.
They've got another game available in Canada and ......................welp that's it guys.
No significant updates or any that breathe new life into the game.
Anyone that believed any of SC's moves/troop/building introductions were all scientifically calculated to a surgical degree need only too look at the laugh out loud stupid level they were nerfing stuff here and there.
They THEMSELVES were unsure of what they were doing. And now the game has plateued and their answer was .........................a gem box? LOL
Its over guys.
I was a comletely maxed th9. I mean maxed EVERYTHING including troops but only lvl 15 heros before jumping to th10.
The game is unplayable for me at this point. At least on a level that I used to play. I would have to play MORE (which is ridiculous) or drop cash which is hilarious considering SC's radio silence and lack of good updates.
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Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
When the new system was introduced we were asked to be patient and let the system adapt giving everyone the impression that hitting next will eventually get them back to the old intake of resources...
what no one knows is how long we need to keep grinding away before enough is enough and the new system has had its day adapting?
I'm kinda broken when it comes to this game now... i am making good money at the moment but taking big armies to get there. gone are the simple farming days me thinks!
proverbial Nail on the Head. This is TH10 in a nutshell. That said i maxed out TH10 Defs well over 1 month ago so even with my reduced Looting rates it is still possible just seems to take 3 times longer to do ANYTHING.Quote:
Originally Posted by AngelsFell
I like this - "Maxed Def TH10 "Currently looking for Fun in Game... Cant find it anywhere" lol..Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Waiting for fun to come back again...
Cheers~
I think the other thing people are forgetting is that SC underestimated how many people in the game were simply going to stick out their TH and just.......farm.
It's in one of those old youtube interviews with Steve. He says it in there himself. They had no idea farming was going to become this "thing" in the game.
So what did SC do? They did all this stuff to curb farming. They introduced the ranking system. They tweaked loot penalty, so on and so forth.
All of their million and one simulations didn't prepare them for the level at which the million or so players were simply going to farm. they thought we were just going to fight our way to some high lvl and as a bonus were going to accept gold as a bonus to use on defense and of coarse dump real money into the game if we wanted to go higher than that.
The problem here is that everyone seems to be looking at each problem separately, when in actuality both the new content and trophy problems are significantly intertwined. The prototypical clash player starts out with a desire to build his base strong through farming. When he finally get his base there the goal is to trophy hunt. As an almost maxed Th9 I'm coming to the end of my journey and have started to think about my next course of action should I make it there. The answer is I don't know right now. Why? Mainly because the thought of staring at clouds all day doesn't particularly entertain me. I also don't care to be defensive minded i.e. I don't want to sit on a shield all day then watch a defense. This game has engrained in me an aggressive nature throughout my farming days. Everything up until this point has been about continuous raids and constant action in order to properly develop my base. Strategic planning through army training, spell creation, and hero use in order to find the right return for my investment. Once this goes away and things come down to trophies what then for a player like me? No strategic planning anymore. It is simply staring at clouds with at most two army combinations that are viable in the upper leagues. Don't forget the necessary gemming that is required in order to get value out of the time you are putting into getting those trophies. To me it sounds like the game just suddenly goes away from everything it has been trying to engrained in us since day one. Why upgrade those unused troops? Why upgrade those defensive towers? Why upgrade those walls? They aren't going to help you with high league gameplay. The ONLY thing you need to go after cups is a few specific troops, heroes, gems and time. Need proof just look at some of the players who have been top 100 without any defenses or walls. There is no strategy in high cup play other than the same respective raid types and pressing the screen every few seconds to keep from logging off. That just doesn't sound like fun to me after being entertained so long with the concept of base building.Quote:
Originally Posted by carlito
How do you remedy this? The way i see it you have three options:
1 Reduce the loot amounts so that upgrading is harder and takes more time. Make people spend more of their time in the farming stage so that attention is removed from the trophy stage.
2 Add a wealth of new content that farmers will now need to work to obtain. This will also take the spotlight off the trophy aspect
3 Overhaul upper league gameplay to make it more in line with the earlier stages of the game. Somehow make raids more rewarding. Somehow make searching more viable. Somehow make raiding and defending more strategic.
Obviously the first point above is the least attractive, but it seems to me like it would be the easiest course of action on SC's end. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it was their goal with the update. Just merely stating the plausibility of that course of action. As a consumer I want options two and three, but they are the hardest to implement. Even still, the problems are intertwined and at this point in its life, with so many long term clashers reaching the end of their farming journeys, we are coming to a point of critical mass where things will either begin to takeoff or they will began to rapidly deteriorate. I truly believe this year will be a monumental one for clash whether for good or bad.
If you put it that way, I agree completely. Better league bonus to add more resources into the game and encourages people to win instead of purposely lose to maintain their range.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Yeah I see your point, I also don't ever want to trophy push for more than the odd little week here and there, it really doesn't sound very fun being a champs players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Johcamp
More content is needed so the cups actually have some real reward please SC, because I know well that I will never be a top 200 player and also wouldn't really care to be. But farming is also not something I want to have to do indefinitely. Clan Wars would help a lot to take many players minds off of all the games problems IMO.
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Originally Posted by SGClasher
Apathetic response.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superecell's PR
i make 6 million-7 million a day if im lucky but i do need to switch my army comp and use barch or bam to attack eatch 10 min and make 2 million per hour.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
but finding empty bases is becoming harder here in gold 1-2
and the loot is pretty horrible i spend 200k on the next just to find a 200k raid T_T the profit i made was the loot bonus
that happend to me 3-4 raids in a row..
even if i looked for 150k i didnt find any.. ARGHHH
The loot system is based on hoping people have either resources in the storages or uncollected mines and pumps. Farmers hit next more then trophy hunters. So the results are probably not going to favor us farmers when it comes to the next button. With the loot system making it that you can lose 400k resources ( if you have 4 million in storages) most people will dump gold into walls which makes no loot available. Thats why people are hitting next! Not a very hard concept to understand jeez.
Please jesus just give us more loot!No world peace!Just loot please
In other words, the loot system is intertwined with the next button based on its concept. No loot in the storages for us farmers, we then hit next. Next next next next next next next next. They say the loot system is working as intended. So they want to make it like a console game were you have to sit on the game until you find the loot you want assuming you are a farmer
Honestly, I don't think the loot's that bad, lol.:rolleyes:
I think lots of us "old timers" have been hanging on for something different / better / exciting / etc. Hero abilities are good but the end result is the same - the underlying system can get a bit boring - especially if you spend more time searching than chatting to clan mates / raiding. SC know this is needed...is it nearly ready?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Yep. Hunting is broken. I dont know how people play like this full time...Gaining cups should be THE way to upgrade your base faster...
Your TH8, of course loot is good for you! Are you trying to be funny or just trolling? My TH7 mini is swimming in loot. The builders can't work fast enough to keep up with the easy amount of gold I pull in.Quote:
Originally Posted by AndrewtheBoss
The exact opposite is true for my TH10. The loot problem is basically TH10 exclusive.
Lately its starting to baffle me the number of players who do not have loot when I go searching.
I am a very late Th9, very near Th10. Since the update I have played between the ranges of 1800 and 2550.
What I am struck by is the fact I feel like a oasis in a desert when I log off. Why? Well As a Th9 you hit the cap near 4 million but after 3 your base starts to have a fair amount of loot. With DE you hit this cap around 40,000. Except for when I has throwing loot into walls, staying 2 mil or below was very uncommon for me. I frequently log off with a juicy 300/350/2500 showing up as available to other players. Fortunately for me in Crystal II snipers are just plain rampant. I lose a consistent 9-11 trophies to snipers every time I log off. Honestly it baffles me the percent of 10-11 losses I have (meaning I need to be showing 30-33 trophies available to my attacker) when exposed Th up here are so uncommon. My labyrith base has also been really good at attracting ambitious Th8 players who don't realize the intent of my base design. They typically limp away with my Th but only 20% damage to my base.
Anyway, the number of players with loot that isn't even worthwhile showing up in my queue is confusing me. Sure people new to a TH level have insane upgrade demands on there resources but otherwise keeping below the cap seems to be something you'd have to bend over backwards to actually do. Why don't people, besides myself, keep more loot in storage? Now I know the answer but its been over 2 months, haven't people adjusted to the system yet? Why is it the only bases with loot sitting at caps are duel maxed inferno tower bases? (and myself)
It is interesting but maybe the answer is right there in your summary.Quote:
Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer
The volume of snipers is huge, for example i have a player using his alt account (level 57) sitting in master 2. He got there plain and simple from sniping THs.
But its not just those guys, i have also noticed a trend where other higher level players snipe TH almost as a mark of respect and maybe in the hope that i return the favour, which i would of course.
This is why i have long been an advocate of removing the auto shield from the TH alone. If these bases could not be taken out of match making so easily maybe we would see better available loot when searching.
We are told that the TH is the most important building in our base, and that is absolutely true. No other building offers the salvation of a 12 hrs shield when sitting on high loot. Its brilliant
I'd like to think the loot issues are allot more than easy shielding, but I am beginning to wonder. I get snipped so often these days its ridiculous. I don't even have a complete free-bee in the corner of the map. Its just sitting on the outside, well in range of my outer defenses.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
The competition is doing that. I have to admit I was at a loss of how to properly defend by base :D.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Anyway, your idea is somewhat in line with Howie's idea of putting 50k in the TH instead of 1K. Either idea would be the most massive overhaul of game balance this game has ever seen. I honestly cannot predict the consequences. With the advantage offense has in this game, people will be losing tons and tons of loot from >40% attacks. On the other hand, there will be an insane influx of players in the queue. Players that have capped like Nio mentioned are suddenly available.
I think even SC couldn't forsee the actual change that would bring. I never see it happening.
This could be spot on or have no affect at all, I'm not sure. I honestly think a very low percentage of players understand farming and the benefits of putting your TH outside. Even at low levels you have to search a while to find one. Sure, they might be getting taken out quickly and so not appearing in match making but unless you're passionate about the game, in an established clan or come on the forums then most casuals just carry on protecting their TH.Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggitygoo
I agree with a bigger penalty for losing your TH.
Regarding sniping of THs as respect. I don't do this but would quickly snipe if the base was in the first 5 or 6 searches. After that I've already started building my next army in the background so would rather wait for a better opportunity. ie: I would never snipe after 10 to 20 minutes of searching. I'd rather get a win and some loot and then use the next army which is built. Just my preference.
I NEVER do this unless it is a revenge Snipe for a initial Snipe. Which to be fair is not often as my TH is normally always protected. The point is when I do expose my TH (not a euphemism) its normally gone within a minute or two..Quote:
Originally Posted by Stitch
This means no collector / Mines raids for anyone, as I will always be logging in before the shield expires.
Maybe reducing the Shield time for 1 star could be an option, not sure if we have had any depth discussion about this but how about bringing the initial shield in-line with the personal Break timing. i.e. 6 Hrs or even Linked to TH Level
so a one star on a TH10 = 6 Hrs
so a one star on a TH 9 = 8 Hrs
so a one star on a TH 8 = 10 Hrs
less than 8 = 12 Hrs
I used to think along the same lines but I'm currently on my first real serious trophy push (around 3,580ish at the mo). I'm desperately trying to keep losses to 1 star and also trying to ride out every shield as much as possible. The thought of someone battering me every 6 hours instead of 12 scares the beegeebers out of me! :) I'm only 1 starring people every 45 to 60 minutes for 8 to 12 cups. This would pretty much stop me progressing, even with a solid 5 or 6 hour session each day.Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
It's only farmers that like to keep THs outside to protect loot. I'm all for making more loot available if this is lost, thus forcing people to protect it more and being available for attacks longer in matchmaking.
It should not be right for a TH7 or lower to get into Masters League.
Using Ballons and minions? Cant wait for the Ballon Nerf, it should not be right for Farmers to get that high in Cups:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Stitch
I'm not overly fussed by how much I spend on nexting - although it is unnecessary. I'm more annoyed how long it takes to find a suitable raid.
Ssst. Don't let dahimi hear that.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominic115
You trying to burst my balloon, I mean bubble?Quote:
Originally Posted by billwinkiesbear
Yeah, exactly. :D Timing is perfect for a loon/minion run up the table. God knows if / when they'll be another opportunity like this.
Gotta go refuel the helium tanks for tonight! :)
Dang just when I thought my 5 mil a day was great. I farm nonstop since my gold grab is horrid. Been taking it from 127m to atleast 300. Right now im at 210 mil.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
Ok... We'll definitely have answers for you tomorrow... to whatever questions you have.
We'll have a Clash Dev Team AMA on the Clash Subreddit... starting around noon Helsinki time tomorrow.
Can't tell if serious or trolling.....Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
speak for yourself. Loot is great. Good job SC :)Quote:
Originally Posted by memerylane
Hmmm... I hope we get some good new then :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
You had my curosity....now you have my attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
Ok my Son, keep praying. and i would give it to you next christmasQuote:
Originally Posted by CunningLinguists
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Originally Posted by memerylane
Please don't speak for me i am doing well with the loot system and think its great.
Sincerely,
Someone playing Clash of Clans
Anybody that thinks the system is 'great', and working well, are clearly not TH10. That, or you are finding just enough full collector bases to keep you fooled into believing that this new loot system is responsible for your luck at finding full collectors. TH9 still have the luxury of only a small loot penalty for hitting TH8. At TH10, finding loot from 8's is rare.
Every time I hit 'next' I can't help but think that all of these 80k bases that I'm passing on USED TO BE 160k...
Some me recent stats from my searches in gold 1:
43 searches.
1 over 300k gold
2 over 200k gold
3 over 150k
5 over 100k
of course the higher ones were incredibly hard bases.
The average gold from 43 searches - 59,708.
Not good, imo. Not good at all. I spent 43k in searches, to 'settle' on attacking someone with 130k.
Horrible.
17 more searches.
2 over 100k.
Highest was 116.
Average was 50,890 gold.
I settled on a 104k base for easy loot, as opposed to doing a load more searches looking for the type of base that the new loot system was designed to provide more of...
60 searches so far... Only 7 bases with over 100k gold. Awesome.
Why hasn't this been announced properly? Neither here nor in /r/ClashOfClans:confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
Because most likely nothing will change until there is a TH11. Why get everyone all excited about nothing.Quote:
Originally Posted by superclash99
Never really go on Reddit but here we go :) *crosses fingers* :p
well actually 99% of people should only press "search" less than 10 times notice "search" not "next"Quote:
Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge
honestly i have gotten used to the new loot system and bad loot and i don't even remember what the old system was like:o
Same, but my loot is getting increasingly worse, I would be finding 250k/250k's, now I'm settling for 180k/180k's (as a TH8, that shouldn't happen).Quote:
Originally Posted by MAXZ99
I farmed in gold for awhile after the update and loot truly did suck there. I think what people haven't caught onto yet is that the new loot system encourages going up in trophy level. The old farming sweet spot of 1400-1800 trophies has shifted to 2100-2500. I'm at 2200 right now and for the last couple weeks I've frequently been finding raids of 300k+ of each. I've even been able to trophy push and farm simultaneously with barchers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aqqendix
Innactives?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ragequitter
Yep inactives. I've even noticed that many more people are giving free town halls in crystal II. Makes it easy to float in your favorite trophy range and you can ring up many league bonuses too, they really add up!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wh33ls
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Originally Posted by memerylane
I'm not complaining about loot...found some good ones today...
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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife
me too. im a th8
http://www.reddit.com/r/ClashOfClans...team_anything/
Enjoy and play nice
as a th9 im finding insane loot with little nexting involved! i stick between 1700-1550
So Steve with the fun factoid today.. from Reddit
Our favorite factoid of the day:
Total amount of resources currently in storages Gold: 6.5 trillion Elixir: 8.4 trillion Dark Elixir: 43 billion
Does this not cry an issue when the requirement for Gold is WAY more than elixir in the game?
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Originally Posted by Keywal
Lol, the amount of gold needed in game is sooo much greater than elixir! How can SC not interpret their own data and see that there is a lack of gold in the system. This is econ101. Truly baffling.
I love saying this so I'll say it again, LOOT HAS NEVER BEEN BAD! The only problem is that the loot changes location relatively often, but most of you are too lazy to move around in trophy range. "But I dropped 100 trophies!" "But I went up 200 trophies!" Boo hoo, you didn't look hard enough. Grow up and let the search continue.
I think its a good point, not all of us spend our lives on Clash of Clans and what is the point in wasting 5-10 minutes flicking past bases you don't need to raid.:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Giggitygoo
Upgrade your TH to 10 and see if you are singing the same toon. No more picking on TH 8s anymore....Quote:
Originally Posted by Derskull
Cry harderQuote:
Originally Posted by Derskull
You're totally right derpskull! All I need to do is move trophies! Wow. A whole year playing and I've been stuck in bronze this whole time.... Man you're deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Derskull
You know that the loot is bad when you waste 150k gold searching for a 200k :)
That happened to me at lunch time. Only after spending 150k looking, I settled on a hard base and only got 100k. Very frustrating. Inactives are few and far between and so are actives with lots of loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Theriddler93
Is this only for TH 10?
I'm TH 9 and the loot is mouth-watering in the 1400-1500 range.
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Originally Posted by JSpong
This is the best explanation to why loot if bad I have seen since loot has been an issue. Bring back some of those inactive bases
Im a TH 10 everything maxed only working on getting my walls to level 10 and 11. I have had many a night 2 or 3 weeks with terrible loot where I get 3 mill after a day of raiding I mean everytime a get a notice your army is ready I attack. then maybe 3 nights where loot is awesome where I make 1.2 mil gold and elixer every 3rd or 4th raid. But thats after going 2 weeks with ♥♥♥♥ty loot and moving up and down through gold 3 and crystal 1.
Yeah loot needs to be fixed, a simple solution would be increase the production rate of all collectors at every level.. a 10 to 15 percent increase to the hourly rate would help.
Simple solution:
instead of 10% up to 4 million, we should have:
15% up to 2 million from storages.
This is will lessen our searches, and still accomplish everything that super Steve and crew were trying to accomplish with the 10% of up to 4 million loot system.
Steeeeeeeeeve, c'mon, bro. This is a great 'happy medium'
Simply too many searches at TH10 to find anything worth attacking.
Ohh.. Silly me for knowing that this was a hide and seek game..Quote:
Originally Posted by Derskull
And all this time i thought it was about building my village and troops strength to make good deffence and attacks, while really it's a game about chacing the rabit and finding out who is hiding the gold ?
Clash of hide and seek ?
Lol ;-)
What is the point of all these threads..? Loot is broken, everyone knows it. I here a lot about the mythical 900k raids from fanboys but no pics, no proof.. And the idea that you have to chose to drop cups vs fight and earn enough to continue is a joke.. Clash of Next is a joke, and the arrogance and ignorance of this company is too much for this gammer. Will continue my daily collection of mines, then off to raid and game in an environment designed to loot and raid in,(see you all there!!), not one fundamentally designed as a wedge against it's players advance, intended to ransom the players advancement for gems.
I believe that the way Supercell has intentionally frozen its economy is fraud against all of us. Period. Those among us with a bit of understanding of economy's of scale, basic econometrics, and statistics can see exactly what SuperCell has done here. For the layperson, they made your base dependent on resources, then once the economy got off the ground, SERIOUSLY restricted those resources and also through the loot penalty change the base currency value of bases hit. Supercell has come at you from both sides to kill the farmer or grinder and force gem purchases.
To the coders and developers at supercell, Many of us know exactly what you have done here, and for that I say you are all thieves. But you all took basic economics so you know that.
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Originally Posted by Stonevapor
Well said! Loot is a joke, we shouldn't have to hit next all the time. Supercell could fix this and a lack of response for two months shows us exactly how much they care about their customers. Well, I played this game for a year. Thanks for giving me a reason to quit Supercell, this gamer is done waiting!
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Originally Posted by Keywal
Actually cant believe i am quoting my own post but Steve, you have to agree that this little factoid says it all.
Just come out and say this is how it is and stop trying to kid everyone.
Wouldn't that be libellousQuote:
Originally Posted by Stonevapor
Use your brainQuote:
Originally Posted by Stonevapor
If the game is active players raiding active players there will be no loot until everyone has level 9 walls. It is not "evil". Just how game is currently set up
Few things to consider when it comes to loot in my view:
- If I would make 200K from every raid with the increased need this will eventually slow down my gaming as I progress beyond th7. Loot system chamge tried to address this problem but still to take all storages from a decent th9-10 takes quite a lot of power or hogs :)
- For quitesome time now I have been seeing lower andlower level people with the same th as my but having collected a fraction of the resources. They have now the same troops I have but need maybe third of the resources that I need to keep their builders busy. You can imagine who is feeling not that happy camper.
- Seems like the quality of inactives follows the observation from the second point. People waste less and less effort to max their base and no wonder. The most fun you have in this game is on offense so why waste too much time to grind your walls and defense, which will get beaten anyway by someone?
1. Most players seem to only use the cheapest and fastest troops to build, archers, barbs and minions. What is the fun in a game where to never use the anything advanced because it cost to much and takes forever in the barrack? And often makes you go negative "loot wise".
2. People level down, not up. Most people seems to stay around 1500 trophies because going up is pointless.
No offense, but as a TH7, you really have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Glaciesvir
Also, a TH7 should not be attacking a TH9 or 10. this stupid game puts in loot penalties for higher THs attacking lower THs, because they don't want us 'picking on the lower lvls'. The penalty is fine, but it SHOULD work both ways.
The fact that you are complaining that you need to use better troops to attack a stronger base tells us something right there. Lower lvl THs should not have a sense of entitlement to freely attack higher level bases.
Also, I don't think ANYBODY is asking to win an easy 200k every raid. We are asking for a system that doesn't require 100 searches (at 1000 gold per search) to simply win 150k.
Trust me, the 400k bases that this new loot system promised are VERY few and far between. Unless you're up in masters or beyond, where the loot is VERY hard to steal.