Most Flawed Aspect: Punished for defending

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

Yes, of your available loot, aka 400k resources (and 1k5 DE) for a townhall? That's absurd.

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Not really. The max you would lose from your TH is 200k as a TH10, and you'd be assured of a shield at that point. TH has 5000 hit points. 2 Storages have just over 4000 combined hit points (currently worth 200k when TH10 has max available).

If you are protecting your TH, and get 2 starred, it's likely you're going to have lost some storages anyhow. I lost 200k on losing 2 storages last night with a <40% defence I didn't get a shield. And yes, it's a punishment for being 2-starred, but reward for protecting your TH too (since now players can only get 50% of your available storage loot if they can't get to your TH).

It would certainly help promote TH protection, that's for sure. If it's just 50k in TH, I think many would take that tradeoff easily, especially at TH10 for a shield.

And I didn't really mean to include the DE in the TH storage too. If you did I guess, it'd help protect some against the Lightning. Anyhow, I'm just playing around with numbers. Maybe less would be sufficient, but just something to help promote actual defences, and stop the bleeding from people that do actually defend and win those defences without getting shields. I'm welcome to all suggestions, I just think the game should change the incentives (as in, actually create some for the majority of players) to actually defend their base.

I tend to agree with the OP. Good thoughts.

I agree with OP

I think making townhall 80k/80k (thus evenly divide 400k max over 4 storages and townhall) would be worth it for me to not put th outside

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...sive-Loot-Idea


And here's my Solution. Feel free to read and bump. The more backing we have for defensive loot, the better.

I guess based on how SC designed the game reward and punishment system, there is not much reason to protect the TH at all. Actually, recently I had to relook into the meaning of a successful defense after losing so much resources for every defense win/loss. Now I feel that;

A successful defense is gaining 12 hours shield with the least amount of resource loss, least number of traps needed to be re arm, minimum loss to CC or heroes.

An unsuccessful defense is gaining a few trophy(which I can get easily by raiding) while losing lots of resources, traps, CC and heroes yet still gain no shield.

And in order to have "successful defense", the best way to do it is to throw the TH outside. You will lose the least amount of resources over the long run this way.

Of course, this is my personal view so others may look at it differently.

Not sure if that is the way SC is intending for us to play. But I'm sure many bases with good loot are taken out of the match queuing due to this...


P.S. If you can't beat them, join them. I will be throwing my TH outside whenever I go to sleep or for a long break. I gotta protect my resources as well....:rolleyes: No reason to get myself penalized by SC for winning defensive battles but loses resources in return since resources worth much more than those worthless trophy....

Trophies really need to equal resources, and seeing TH7s having too high trophies make my eyes burn. There needs to be an incentive to attack bad targets no matter how low gold they may be offering if they are too high in trophies.

Nice thread. Nicely delivered (both the problem and possible solutions)

There are quite a few big shifts or adjustments I feel could drastically improve game play - not sure SC has the desire or willingness to risk tarnishing their cash cow in the process.

Say, the Unbreakable achievement needs to have a better curve. If we can get like, 10 gems every 100 defensive win, would ease the pain somewhat.

Great topic, I have been saying this myself all along. Unless you are interested in a bona fide trophy push playing defence is completely and utterly pointless and only detrimental to progress.

I am a huge advocate for giving players a league bonus for successfully winning a defence, something to help recoup your losses and the high trap re-arm costs ever since the trap upgrade.

Such a thing will encourage players to defend properly with their hall protected - and also help discourage players from using various tactics to stay online and remain hidden from defence, helping de-value questionable tactics to stay online.

It will keep more bases with decent loot in the queue, and add more interest into the defensive side of the game; at the moment the game is pretty much 99% offence.

This could also further encourage stronger players into higher leagues for the greater bonuses.

I really feel this is a win win situation for the game. It benefits in many ways.

Getting attacked 8 times in 1 night.. Winning 7 times but losing gold/elixer/DE 100k of each every time..

Maybe you should change your defence..?? Its not working..:rolleyes:

I'm TH9.. Yes my TH has been outside since day 1 i started playing.. If there is nothing to steal they level my TH.. If there is loot.. Yup, they can steal it.. Sometimes they do.. Sometimes they don't..

But.. I make sure that if there is a lot.. They will surely get to 40%, hopefully not much more.. (Empty CK, BK & AQ asleep)
and my base is made for a +/-50% loss...

This is a strategie game.. Why win defence if its bad for you..? This is an attack game.. If they give resources for defending i can already see it happening.. Th8, 9 and 10 on 1000 throphies, just collecting because th5,6 and 7 see a full pump but can never win..

i would love to see that your TH puts you in a certain division.. If you go under it.. Loot wil be ....NOTHING... Going higher is no prob.. Why..?

Lot of people are in the wrong divisions.. Higher TH should means you go up in cups.. But noone does it.. Also the champions complain about their cloud ( never been there ). Because of the lack of players.. Look at the amount of throphies they have while most people have usually less then 2000... Also the "nexting" is because of the fact that EVERYBODY is farming/pushing in the same spot (1100-2000 throphies)

Imo.. Defence against a player that is equally strong gives you a shield cause they want it all.. Against weaker players, ah well.. Wouldn't you try to get one or two of the depots, even when it means you lose...??

@supercell... Thnk you for a great game..!! (Just need to say this after all that complaining on the forum)

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