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I know that hogs have a hard time now days with the Multiple target infernal Towers and all that kind of stuff... But they can still destroy every town hall 9 in the game... I really hope that Supercell soon will fix the hogs they will get more balanced. Somethign that would really help everyone one has town hall 9 is if the giant bombs did double damage or maybe even more levels on the giant bombs so they will be able to take care of the hogs... .-.
I like your idea, hogs are very over powered. Luckily, anti hog bases are starting to be discovered, and they seem to be working more efficiently. I bet you if they get nerfed in hit points again, they will become very unpopular....but then what will be the big heavy hitting strategy now? Once hogs get balanced...the game will be a LOT more fun, that's one thing that almost all of us can assume. Now we just need clan wars xDQuote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
I know about the anti hog bases but if you use an anti hog base then you will get wrecked by every other strategy that doesnt indvolde hogs..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacksonian
Ya I think giant bomb would be the better option cause hogs could still take out a base but if they run into a bomb will be harder to do
giant bomb
Yeah, if giants bombs did double damage to hogs it they would be alot more balanced
Giant bombs dealing double damage to hogs would make them entire useless. I'm not using hogs myself since I enjoy balloonions, but using an anti-hog layout does NOT mean you will get wrecked when posed against anything except hogs.
When farming in M3 for about 1˝-2 weeks I had a fair enough win % against hogs as TH9, even though I had both heroes upgrading and most of them lured CC. Sure, there's no guarantee that you will win a defense versus hogs, but you're probably not winning against GoWiPe or GoWiWi either. Most of my losses were 1-star with barely any resource loss, and I had one 2-star and one 3-star defeat. Hog bases filter out good attackers from facerollers, and anti-hog layouts require the attacker to be good at hogging, otherwise they will pretty much fail.
If you're so concerned about not losing to hogs you should upgrade your TH. I'm sure you use to balloonions every now and then as well, and even to some giant healer wiz or whatever other comp, but it's just so flavor of the month to complain about hogs to get them nerfed even more. They are OK as they are, just use a decent layout. Also, what rating are you playing at?
edit: and what TH are you / how progressed?
Hogs are not complety useless if giants bombs would do double damage to them. You just gotta send a couple of hogs in to clean the giants bombs up and then send the rest of your hogs in.. And if you use an anti hogs base then the balloon and minion strategy will wreck you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rastis
Wreck as in two-star at max, yes. Having an anti-hog layout will also ensure you get "wrecked" by gowipe and gowiwi.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
Use a layout with well-centered ADs, and you push out your splash defenses so you'll get superwrecked by gowiwi, gowipe and hogs.
Use an anti-gowiwi layout and you'll get balloonioned or even BArched, not sure about hogs, but I guess they'll wreck you too.
What's your point here? No layout is perfect against every army, but I didn't lose too much against balloonions, although I got 2-starred a few times. That's what I expect, though, not having ITs. Being a heavy balloons user myself, I pretty much attack any TH9 base as long as it has much resources and ADs not straight in the center surrounding CC and DE, so layout is rather moot there.
What I'm getting at here is that you make it sound as if using an anti-hog layout will make you lose 3 stars every battle regardless of what's attacking you - this is not the case. Again, what is your cup range, TH, and progression?
Oh, and your argument about hogs not being completely useless if giant bombs were to do double damage - how do you intend to take out 4 well-placed giant bombs with "just a few hogs to set them off"? I just don't see that happening.
Leave the hogs alone. Also if you can't beat them join them.
Hogs are very expensive to use now. If you are less than th10, you have the potential to be 100% by them no matter your base. Is that OP? Maybe. But they don't need to be nerfed further.
One does not simply send one or two hogs to clear out a giant bomb that's actually inside the base. It's impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
And there would still be three more to worry about…
Giant bombs with double damage would certainly render the hogs useless. Anti-hog bases would become invincible against hogs, and any other base with just ONE luckily placed giant bomb would wipe out all thirty or so hogs. Add that to the troops in the clan castle, you just got yourself a useless troop to pair with the valk.
Not only that, but it would also severely impair other troops as well. Giants would be decimated, golems and pekkas would be noticeably injured, the valk will probably die (not that anyone would care:p), the barb king will get pummeled, and the low level archer queen will be utterly destroyed.
No, just, no…
You were doing fine until the second paragraph. They are talking about double damage to hogs not everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Michaelyoda
Darn it…I read too fast…Quote:
Originally Posted by dahimi
I have a suggestion. What about just increasing the training time, that should keep both sides relatively happy as hogs will still be tough if you do use them but they wont be used as much so wont be such a problem.
More giant bombs maybe, with more damage. Sounds good.....
I wouldn't be able to handle it if they made more giant bombs... No
More lvls to the giant bomb or double damage to hogs would balance them
Once I ranked my TH9 defenses most of the way and actually built for defending vs hogs, I did not lose 100% once. In well over a month. Hardly anyone even got half my loot, and that's with 32 hogs, BK, AQ, wizards, and 4+ spells. Btw, the same people who die horribly to hogs also die to mass balloons with rage, or golem pekka wiz, or often even giant healer with barbs and archers. Your bases are built badly or not ranked enough, get over it. Hogs have already been nerfed so many times, and they aren't hard to beat. What pisses me off is that inferno multi-target, which was supposed to counter hogs, is actually far more painful to giant healer. I would like to see inferno only halve healing from healers, since healers can't keep up with hogs and that will only benefit giants, which are currently useless vs multi-target.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
Short version - all you complainers just suck. I was rolled by rank 6 barbs and archers so many times at TH7, you can't expect to win every match on defense if your defense isn't ranked enough.
Sure.. Now it is my TH that are rushed or my base are just horrible.. My TH are not rushed and i can handle the Ballon+Rage stragety. Last time i pushed up to crystal 1 i got attacked by the GoWiPe strategy(Golem Wizard Pekka) and they got pwned.. And i have a layout with my Seeking Air Mines that are designet as a trap for the giant healer.. But hogs.. He deploy them all in one Little spot then they jump in over the giants bombs and takes tons of wizard damage but then the attacker just place a healing spell..Quote:
Originally Posted by TJPride
I dont expect to win every match but i win most of my matches... But with hogs i lose everytime -.-'
That is your problem right there. You moronically placed your bombs and probably spring traps where they are totally useless. I have all my bombs and spring traps sandwiched between defenses and closer to center, and the hogs get hit by every single one. Sorry, but don't blame hogs for your sucking.
All I can say is that town hall 9's still probobally get high level wizard towers and mortars... they destroy hogs. Also supersell already raised the hog's price, want that to happen again? Probably not.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
What i see here is only a guy whos speaking for his own benefits? You maybe don't have hogs and got raided by lvl 5 alot, of course i would cry about it... But if you had these lvl 5 hogs, or anti-hig base, or farmed on low trophies..or considered being crushed when pushing your trophy YOU WOULDN'T OPEN YOUR MOUTH AND COMPLAIN! I suggest you to think about the REST instead of being a "EGOIST", you are NOT the only one playing this game. Nerfed you say? What do you want seriously? A archer that gets killed by one shoot? Oh im sorry that does already exist...
Give me your IGN so once i see your name i shall crush you with them!
If you cant beat them. Join them. Spend your loot before logging off. Leave your TH outside. Design a decent base, Dont be premature. Stock your Clan Castle with something strong. I actually Hope LEVEL 6 Hogs have more Hitpoints so i dont have to use as much.
If u can't beat em on TH 9, upgrade to 10 and get inferno towers
Have you not heard of the loot penalty, rushing your th is a bad idea. You should aim to max everything before upgrading or you will just get smashed and people will take 400k gold and 400k elixir of you then you wont be able to get anything back because the bases you can beat will have no loot on offer. There are ways to beat hog but th rushing certanly isnt one of them, its just a thing idiots do that digs themselfes in to a hole that is very hard to get out of as you wont be able to colect or defend your loot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ragerrodent
Im quite aware of the loot penalty. I'm suffering the consequences already of rushing to lvl. 9 ...I'm just saying, if you're gonna complain about how it sucks to be in TH 9 while hogs are a threat...then either suck it up and redo your base in a way that works against me, or upgrade to lvl. 10 to get the inferno towersQuote:
Originally Posted by Nmills
Inferno towers are basically a guaranteed win vs hogs, or giant healer. You can have an otherwise fairly sucky base, but if you have two infernos, you'll still win easily most of the time. Multi-target is so OP that rushing TH10 is perhaps actually worth it now.
I agree, a base's performance should reflect the amount of time put into it. A townhall 9 with more time and experience put into it should be able to defend better than a rushed townhall 10 with disco's.
The cost is high enough they are not sustainable, you can't get enough loot to cover the cost. Name a successful attack strategy you can use instead, giants are too slow, without enough hit points to get thru walls, and half way into the base good luck getting wb there. Maybe there are some other strategies out there but as a th 8 its the only good attack strategy for pushing
Stop whining about hogs just because you can't design a proper base. They already got a HP decrease and a price increase! What else do you want!
I want so I dont have to upgrade to town hall 10 or have a specific base to defend against 1/15 troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by RottRouke
Hogs became less useful due to priced increase which sux the most. I regret paying 55$ for upgrading hogs due to lack of intelligence of the staff and the noobs who were just starting and yet give loads of complaints concerning hogs. I was a huge fan of supporting supercell through providing money but now I changed my mind. I will never donate or buy gems coz they have no stability....the payers dont know if the staff change their minds and keep changing updates just like they did to my HogRiders. I am friggin regretting I wasted a lot of my money in this game just to help supercell.
Oh.. so now you are raging beacuse it costs more DE to 3 star every townhall 9 in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by BabyWatchMe
Giants bombs :3
LEAVE... HOGS... ALONE!!! lol
hogs cost way 2 much no one has freaking d.e these daysQuote:
Originally Posted by Jacksonian
3 days ago i had 40k d.e
now guess how much d.e i have? 29k cuz hogs price sucks
its bcuz hogs eat up all ur d.eQuote:
Originally Posted by ShinySeblind
NOW LEAVE HOGS ALONE....!!!!!!!!!!
NEVAR... They should be nerfed in Hitpints or supercell should do it so healing spells and healers only healed them half of what they usally heals troops! Or make giants bombs do DOUBLE damage to hogs.. That could be wonderfull..Quote:
Originally Posted by Dahemkiller18