Kings Landing for a clean game.

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Originally Posted by Supergoatie

So only four of your guys use fluffbunny? Well, I dont believe that for a second. But lets pretend that is the case. And you are trying to convince us that cheap shielding is a difficult method and almost earns respect. When an athlete uses illegal substances do they get any respect? No! Are they trying to scramble and defend their actions? Yes, but most of us want clean, fair play and that doesnt include Fluffbunny nor cheap shielding.

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Haha, i said it before. I don't believe that only 4 people in KL use this method
How to maintain your trophy without bunny n cheap shield? not make sense

First take a deep breath, then count to ten, after that repeat this ⬇️


It's only a game.

Befofe my opinion, I just want to clean few things. I have been into champions about a month ago. I already began to notice few things like after 10-30 seconds after closing my iPad, I get attacked, which is usually a loss. Well, that's the game, but it started to be 20-30 trophies, and I usually gain about 5 trophies per attack, and I know that this only gets worse when climbing up the leaderboards.

With that said, my opinion. Staying online for long periods is fine by me as long as it's not days or done by a machine or anything like that. What I mean that if you can stay it up, then it's fine, but as soon as you need something (or some one) to keep it open, it goes wrong. This doesn't give a fair chance to those who don't c h e a t. But the reason some do this is because it gets so ridiculous up there, is a different thing. Clicking the find a match -button and it taking hours to search should be fixed, but otherwise I don't find anything else. Yes, you will lose a lot when someone attacks you, and yes you gain like nothing compared to what you just lost, but think about it in this way: you have passed propably hundreds of thousands or if not even millions of players and you are one of the best players, so why should it be easy? As said, I don't have experience about this, only 3200, but you shouldn't be able to just take all trophies and get up in there in a day. I'm sure that it's very boring, stupid, frustrating and whatever but that's the top.

I hope that some one gets some sort of sense what I mean here, which is shortly that it shouldn't be easy to get to the top and c h e a t ing shouldn't be allowed, no matter how hard it is

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Originally Posted by Gendel

First take a deep breath, then count to ten, after that repeat this ⬇️


It's only a game.

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So?
Yes its a game. Its a competitive game. Does that mean it shouldn't work? Shouldn't a game do everything possible to make that game better?

I thought it was disrespectful how he called out Daddy-O in that video as well. He trash talked putting up top players in the game and making celebs out of them. Daddy-O had no idea he was allegedly ♥♥♥♥♥ing at the time and was only trying to give players like us more insight into how he managed such a feat and ask the questions we were all wondering.

I dont know about all top clans but when I visited North 44 for a couple days I was asked to look for a few players base and lose on purpose.

Thank you, tbh there are thousands of Youtubers out there, some good some meah, it's what my subscribers (particularly the regulars like you) say to me that I respect.

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

I thought it was disrespectful how he called out Daddy-O in that video as well. He trash talked putting up top players in the game and making celebs out of them. Daddy-O had no idea he was allegedly ♥♥♥♥♥ing at the time and was only trying to give players like us more insight into how he managed such a feat and ask the questions we were all wondering.

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All this just to say KL does not use c h e a t s? Am I missing something?

Kudos to the mods for not closing this thread even though it mentions ♥♥♥♥♥ing a lot :D:rolleyes:

Saying that 5 of your clanmates used to HAC K and now they dont.. doesnt make your clan hax free.
you can still use it anytime.. and noone will believe you if you say the opposite..
The right thing to do ?
BAN U ALL for USING IT!
but no.. SC makes the living from you...
In every other game if u use 3d party program.. for example World of Warcraft.. even if u are the number one in the UNIVERSE.. YOU WILL GET INSTA BAN !
in clash of clans.. NOT !
BTW no need for you to tell us about fluffybunny ,everyones is using it up there.
We simple players know that in this game if u dont PAY OR CH EAT u will never go high.

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Originally Posted by Woski

So?
Yes its a game. Its a competitive game. Does that mean it shouldn't work? Shouldn't a game do everything possible to make that game better?

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You say work and better, what does that actually mean. Soon as SC do something to improve the game at high level half the players go mental about it and if they do nothing guess what.. . .

It really is only a game, there will always be people out there bending the rules, there's no real way to stop them if they are smart at it, so chill.

About cheap shield and the chances to actually get it, what's the correct trophy range where the matchmaking look for your opponents? A reply with a source would be much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by ingame1

About cheap shield and the chances to actually get it, what's the correct trophy range where the matchmaking look for your opponents? A reply with a source would be much appreciated.

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You mean across how large a cup interval the matchmaking looks for an opponent for you, for instance your rating +/- 150? If you're wondering about that, I don't think anyone knows for sure - in Crystal1 you can get matched versus Crystal2 or Master3 people as well as Crystal1, but how it actually works up in Champ? Don't think there's any info on it, but would be interesting to know.

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Originally Posted by Johcamp

The problem is not complacency on SC's part. The problem is the revenue stream. They have created a monstrous revenue stream with their current system and are very hesitant to do anything drastic (clan wars) that could backfire and disrupt that stream. At this point, it all about the money which I can't entirely fault them for. How many times have we seen this throughout gaming history? Wow, COD, and many other franchises peak and get cold feet for fear of disrupting revenue. Eventually, a mass exodus of players occurs which causes the studio to release an energency game changing update in order to stop the games descent. Of course it ends of being a little too late and the game slowly dies off. Its a cycle that has proven itself many times and I don't think SC is going to disrupt it.

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I agree. The person who ♥♥♥♥ed them the other day showed that they earn over 5 million dollars per day. This reinforces that they'll be reluctant to make any big changes to the system for risk of reducing this revenue.

From what I have read about the way some champion league players allegedly use different techniques to stay online and ♥♥♥♥♥ the game, I think it will ultimately put more people off from pushing up to the very top. At the end of the day we are ranked in terms of trophies. How I am supposed to compete with someone who never comes offline or gets cheap shields from clan members? The fact that these methods are being talked about like they are just part of the game really annoys me and I think they would annoy more people if they knew what was going on.

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Originally Posted by ingame1

About cheap shield and the chances to actually get it, what's the correct trophy range where the matchmaking look for your opponents? A reply with a source would be much appreciated.

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Most of this seems to be at 3500-3700. Thats where I see the most ridiculous defense numbers. In a league where you need to win 99% of your attacks 24 defense wins in one week(not even a full 2 week league) goes beyond suspicious to very clearly cheap shielding.

That's more than 3 defense wins a day.

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Originally Posted by Daddy

Thank you, tbh there are thousands of Youtubers out there, some good some meah, it's what my subscribers (particularly the regulars like you) say to me that I respect.

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This is me right now.

http://wigflip.com/roflbot/interactor?H/0/bTSCyWonul

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Originally Posted by Rastis

You mean across how large a cup interval the matchmaking looks for an opponent for you, for instance your rating +/- 150? If you're wondering about that, I don't think anyone knows for sure - in Crystal1 you can get matched versus Crystal2 or Master3 people as well as Crystal1, but how it actually works up in Champ? Don't think there's any info on it, but would be interesting to know.

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Yea exactly that, any champion would like to share his knowledge on this?

When I had ~3700 cups, I was attacked twice by top 10 players (difference of 500-600 cups). Not sure if the gap goes both ways, because the highest I ever came across was someone in the mid 3800.

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Originally Posted by Thorzain

Good evening,

Champion League, especially top clans have made the news lately and most of the time with inaccurate, ill willed and aggressive arguments based on rumours and stupid rivalries.

I am one of Kings Landing leaders and I used to be a member of this community.
I am here today to set the record straight, to announce our plans regarding chêating and to ask for help.
I can speak for my clan and my clan only.

Facts first.

Contrary to what a very misinformed Youtuber (famous for saying he was the first to do things we have been doing for months) said on a trash video, no one uses Lego machines to stay online, no one uses revenge to get shielded (this has been fixed already) and no one stayed 3 weeks with the same trophy count.
This made us laugh at first because it was preposterous, but it became apparent that this "celebrity" managed to convince the majority of his viewers he was right, no need to say we were appalled. I guess he needed the views...

What is true though is that some players have been able to extend their shields for a couple of days beyond what is available to a normal player and stayed online using a 3rd party program that I will name fluffybunny here (but most of you know its name already) for old time sake.

We also had players complaining about shielding and this particular subject can be wrongly associated with the revenge loop exploit.
Let's be absolutely clear on this subject, when a player goes offline no matter how many of his clan mates are looking for him, everyone has the same chance of finding him, nothing can guarantee a player will find his clan mate, in fact most of the time he won't.
Team work is fair, this is the purpose of clans and alliances and as long as we all play the same game and we all have the same opportunities, which is currently the case, the best team will win.

Kings Landing views on chêating.

Kings Landing is no exception, we had a total of 5 players using fluffybunny, but our top player never even heard of it until recently, proving it was possible to be a top 3 player with no help whatsoever, his name is Gazza and we believe he is the best player in the world.
To understand how players come to those extreme solutions it's important to keep in mind that CoC at this level is a competition, CoC is the first E-Sport mobile game ever and just like any competition every detail counts.
But a competition is not always fun, and Kings Landing is above all a group of close friends playing together.

I am here to announce that Kings Landing is a fluffybunny free clan.

We decided to bring the fun back, we are determined to stay competitive and we are confident we don't need any help to stay in top 5 but...

We need help.

Every high level champ willing to give us a hand is more than welcomed, we will not tolerate any form of chêating but we are open minded on pretty much everything else.

But the help we need the most is from SC, we didn't wait for you guys to tell us to stop chêating because we felt if it would have come to this, we, as a clan, would be worthless.
What we need from you is to commit yourselves to fight this thing as much as we do and the reasons why it's so popular.
We hope you have a plan ready and we are waiting for your support in this fight that we are starting tonight with a clear disadvantage.
We also expect you to fight the reasons why fluffybunny is ruining this game, we know a better balance between offence and defence would make it less terrifying to go offline, we would love a 30 minutes shield available 1 time every day, we beg you to implement a timer before the forced kick and a 10 minute shield after a successful defence would prevent being 3 starred with both heroes down.
We also need a better matchmaking system, this one doesn't make any sense and is unanimously despised.
Not because it's too hard but because it's boring, in fact I stopped hunting and went back to 3600+ to at least find someone to raid...

In conclusion, on behalf of my team mates, give us clan wars please, we are tired of this endless grind.

Thank you for your time and your patience.

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Agreed! We at DetroitDeath also do not use FluffyBunny ;) It would be SO nice to not press the next button for two hours straight. New matchmaking would remedy this.

I personally think this h a c k needs to be stopped. But at the same time I see farmers complaining about there's no loot, well I hate to break it to you the same h a c k is being used by some farmers, and it allows them to search for the amount of rss they want availible, but there's no out cry for this to be fixed which is a shame. This affects everyone in every trophy range rather it's used to stay on line or being used to get the better loot.

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Originally Posted by Gimme

When I had ~3700 cups, I was attacked twice by top 10 players (difference of 500-600 cups). Not sure if the gap goes both ways, because the highest I ever came across was someone in the mid 3800.

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Thanks man, listening to that interview daddy did with number 1 guy he also talks about opponents 500/600 cups under him, so we can assume it's 600, both ways probably, the fact you can't find them is because they are perma shielded.

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Originally Posted by MoonDawg

I personally think this h a c k needs to be stopped. But at the same time I see farmers complaining about there's no loot, well I hate to break it to you the same h a c k is being used by some farmers, and it allows them to search for the amount of rss they want availible, but there's no out cry for this to be fixed which is a shame. This affects everyone in every trophy range rather it's used to stay on line or being used to get the better loot.

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Any incarnation of these third party softwares should be a permanently bannable offense with no warning and no exceptions.

Seems like a bad recruitment thread to me. Maybe should've posted it in the 'clans' section of the forum.

hmmmmm i dont know what to think now
:confused:;)

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Any incarnation of these third party softwares should be a permanently bannable offense with no warning and no exceptions.

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I wish.........zero tolerance should be applied..

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Any incarnation of these third party softwares should be a permanently bannable offense with no warning and no exceptions.

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Amen to that!
1st offence Ban for a week
2nd offence ban for a month
3nd offence permanent ban

This stuff won't fly with WOW or other MMO games. If caught you will be ban for good.. But COC "FacePalm" shake head.

Lol this thread is funny now

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Originally Posted by Gendel

First take a deep breath, then count to ten, after that repeat this ⬇️


It's only a game.

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Hear hear!

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Any incarnation of these third party softwares should be a permanently bannable offense with no warning and no exceptions.

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While I wish this can be done, for I'm very frustrated with people who use these tools to che4t, I think there should be a penultimate step prior to a total ban. First warning should come with a suspension (and loss of trophies (maybe -500). Second one should be a total ban. If they find a way to play after being banned (which is also possible), then time to get medieval on them.

SC lack of action on this subject takes credibility from them. The community wants harsh penalties and enforcement!

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Originally Posted by SjorsievW

Seems like a bad recruitment thread to me. Maybe should've posted it in the 'clans' section of the forum.

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lol not sure if serious or being sarcastic? I agree with Jetlife though that there should be reprocussions for the people who use thies tools. A ban would definetly show that SC means business and they take che ating seriously. I guess all we can do is wait and see.

Haven't been through this thread, so this might have been said before, but is this the real Thorzain. Didn't he have like 500 posts?

Guys I just cleaned this up a bit. It mustn't turn into a feature comparison for tools which spoil our lovely game.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unintended_consequences

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Originally Posted by facescraper

I don't know why you are attacking me. It doesn't make loot appear was my point in my other post. It doesn't make the big loots appear out of thin air, it just does the skipping for you instead of you hitting next. It seems to be far more useful for trophy pushers from what I can see.

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Let's try to explain it with simple logic...

Think about the following scenario (let's keep it simple without counting loot penalties):

Let's say we have league xy
All players have the same Townhall with nearly equal defenses
Within this league we have 1000 players
20 of them are big fishes with over 300k/300k available loot, rest is offering between 40-120k of each.
10 players out of this 1000 are using fluffy bunny to search loot
another 10 are searching at the same time using the Next-Button.
Normally after 30-40 Nexts they decide to raid someone for 80-120k

who do you think will find the big fishes first ? And once they were found and attacked they're out of the queue for 12-16 hours... The honest guys will never see one of the fishes, maybe only by coincident...

after awhile some of the honest guys joining the forum and complaining about the bad loot...

and 1-2 of the Bunnyhoppers will answer in these threads, presenting screenshots from their last 4 raids, showing more than 250k/250k each and stating how awesome loot is...

ask some of the Bunnyhoppers how much gold it costs them till the bunny presents a 250k/250k Easter egg... It's not that much compared to what everyone else is investing by "nexting" till they find one...

I fully agree that fluffy bunny is only a symptom of the last loot changes from SC (making players who save for big upgrades loose more in one defense than what they can win back in 4).... Some would say as an excuse that it is some kind of self-defense vs. the changes...

But however someone will argue about it... It gives the users of these tools an unfair advantage and this needs to be punished... Like it is in every online-game I know...

but it's not only fluffy bunny... There are more tools or ways out there to stay online or to exploit the game... The bunny is only the one which caught a lot of attention lately... But all of these tools could be detected if SC really wants to... All of them leaving a special pattern (like a fingerprint) in the game-Databaes... SC only need to filter and query their DBs to find out... And hopefully they do it and punish those who use it...

I wonder why Thorazin was banned

Supercell should have a replay feature for all top level players matches to be accessible for everyone to see. It's a nice feature that should be implemented and it will serve two purposes. One I'm sure there are tons of people who would like to see all the top level play for entertainment and/or learning purposes. Second if there are certain people that ♥♥♥♥♥ ie cheap shielding or never have any games where they are attacked, this would be quite obvious to the whole coc community. I have seen this feature in other games such as super
street fighter 4 and would really like it to be implemented in coc. Just a newbies two cents who is still TH 6.

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Originally Posted by Fros

I wonder why Thorazin was banned

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Hmmm... why indeed.

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

Hmmm... why indeed.

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Wondering the same over here...

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Originally Posted by chummer1010

Wondering the same over here...

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me too, also his lack of posts. I'm sure this guy used to be pretty active.

It's confidential though, so I know we will not find out.

Look sc makes staying in the top extremely difficult! For those of you who may not know there is no week shield 3200 and up. Im in champ league well over 3600, and its boring to be honest. Im tired of the cup imbalance, no week shied, losing -26 on defense when they only get 1 star, and worst of all searching for hours!!! Only to get the msg there are no villages to attack. I think all the top players need to unite in a positive productive way and force supercell to make the game fair again! :mad:

I only had time to read the original post, and I liked it. I just wanted to say though... The people that were ♥♥♥♥♥ing to stay up there, and then told they couldn't ♥♥♥♥♥ anymore, I highly doubt they just stopped when told. They are still humans, and humans are greedy. They made it to the top using ♥♥♥♥♥ing, so why would they stop? I'm referring to the 5 people the OP said stopped ♥♥♥♥♥ing. How do you know they actually stopped? I fully support the OP though and it was a good read.

Edit: Lol I didn't know the word cheäting was blocked. I like the hearts.