CoC now imbalanced OFFENCE vs DEFENCE - POLL

I am not going to mention the poor league bonus or NEXT problems in this thread :p



I am a fully maxxed TH10 (except walls), and have played at various league levels. I have found that no type of attack effectively damages my base, and I feel it would take a very strong, high level and lucky attack to succeed. The same is of course of my attacks on other maxxed TH10 bases (or even near maxxed ones).

CoC has shifted in balance between it favouring offence and defence, over the time I have played it. However, I feel that the game is currently very strongly imbalanced in favour of defence. Perhaps the result of numerous troop nerfs (e.g. witch, hogs. minions) combined with defence level boosts.

I feel the time has come to increase attack troop capability at the highest levels. L6 minions for example are a joke, considering their upgrade cost. Perhaps it is time we have L3 Witch, stronger L6 minions, and a few other new high level troops? Perhaps even L7 barbs, archers, gobs, giants and balloons.

Anyway, the poll is asking the simple question. Is the game currently imbalanced, or not.

Where is the poll? It's not imbalanced. Notice that you can also find complaints that offense is too strong.

Th10 defense is built to stop all cheap farming armies. There isn't a base in this game that will stop a decent gowiwi or a skilled loonion.

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Originally Posted by Woski

Th10 defense is built to stop all cheap farming armies. There isn't a base in this game that will stop a decent gowiwi or a skilled loonion.

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Personally, I disagree, but let's see how many vote each way :)

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Originally Posted by Akali

Personally, I disagree, but let's see how many vote each way :)

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Look at players in the top 200 with fully maxed bases and fully maxed heros and ask them if it's balanced or not. They'll all tell you offense rules.

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Originally Posted by Anarchos

Look at players in the top 200 with fully maxed bases and fully maxed heros and ask them if it's balanced or not. They'll all tell you offense rules.

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That from everything I hear and see is true.

But speaking as a Th9 holder that has always enjoyed attacking up the ladder at every level of them game so far, I'd have to say that Th10 defence is totally OP.

Nerf those disco balls a bit and give us a change of attacking, otherwise puny, Th10 bass please SC.

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Originally Posted by Akali

I am not going to mention the poor league bonus or NEXT problems in this thread :p



I am a fully maxxed TH10 (except walls), and have played at various league levels. I have found that no type of attack effectively damages my base, and I feel it would take a very strong, high level and lucky attack to succeed. The same is of course of my attacks on other maxxed TH10 bases (or even near maxxed ones).

CoC has shifted in balance between it favouring offence and defence, over the time I have played it. However, I feel that the game is currently very strongly imbalanced in favour of defence. Perhaps the result of numerous troop nerfs (e.g. witch, hogs. minions) combined with defence level boosts.

I feel the time has come to increase attack troop capability at the highest levels. L6 minions for example are a joke, considering their upgrade cost. Perhaps it is time we have L3 Witch, stronger L6 minions, and a few other new high level troops? Perhaps even L7 barbs, archers, gobs, giants and balloons.

Anyway, the poll is asking the simple question. Is the game currently imbalanced, or not.

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I wonder if you come or stay in champion league, you won't be so confident. The majority player's base are maxed with lv 40 hero. I am balloonion player and winning % is about 99%. I also have max defense but my winning % on defense is about 5%.

So my vote is offense is way overpowered

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Originally Posted by kingleo10

I wonder if you come or stay in champion league, you won't be so confident. The majority player's base are maxed with lv 40 hero. I am balloonion player and winning % is about 99%. I also have max defense but my winning % on defense is about 5%.

So my vote is offense is way overpowered

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I am genuinely interested in your experience. Balloonion is merely a TH9 army, and I too have used it extensively. It certainly fails every time against my base, so I wonder how it can be so successful for you vs other maxxed bases.

When you say "win", do you only mean getting 1 star at least? I am farming, so my definition of "win" is doubtless rather different. Loot is all that matters to me. My TH is outside, so I can be "defeated" by 1 minion, yet to me that is no defeat. I only count a "win" for my attack if I take at least 200k gold (and taking only 200 of 400 available would be a very slim win in my mind).

Losing a single gold store is however a big loss for me, and losing 2 a defeat in my mind.

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Originally Posted by Woski

Th10 defense is built to stop all cheap farming armies. There isn't a base in this game that will stop a decent gowiwi or a skilled loonion.

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This ^^^.

So, offense is very over powered. And trophy system is broke. So...

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Originally Posted by Akali

I am genuinely interested in your experience. Balloonion is merely a TH9 army, and I too have used it extensively. It certainly fails every time against my base, so I wonder how it can be so successful for you vs other maxxed bases.

When you say "win", do you only mean getting 1 star at least? I am farming, so my definition of "win" is doubtless rather different. Loot is all that matters to me. My TH is outside, so I can be "defeated" by 1 minion, yet to me that is no defeat. I only count a "win" for my attack if I take at least 200k gold (and taking only 200 of 400 available would be a very slim win in my mind).

Losing a single gold store is however a big loss for me, and losing 2 a defeat in my mind.

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Hmm if i understand correctly - that means your poll on whether offense or defense is imbalanced is actually based on farming (resources lost) and not trophies?

Gowiwi with maxed heroes are actually very strong even for a maxed TH10..

Cheers~

I agree with the majority of the people here, offense is overpowered. The new update made it even more so (even though most of these new features were directed at higher level players). I think CoC should be more defense oriented. Its no fun if high level players can 50% a base every time without a lot of consideration and luck.

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Originally Posted by Woski

Th10 defense is built to stop all cheap farming armies. There isn't a base in this game that will stop a decent gowiwi or a skilled loonion.

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Yep, after this past update offense is way overpowered. If anybody argues otherwise they are sadly mistaken.

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Originally Posted by kingleo10

I wonder if you come or stay in champion league, you won't be so confident. The majority player's base are maxed with lv 40 hero. I am balloonion player and winning % is about 99%. I also have max defense but my winning % on defense is about 5%.

So my vote is offense is way overpowered

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That about sums it up.

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Originally Posted by JtB

Yep, after this past update offense is way overpowered. If anybody argues otherwise they are sadly mistaken.

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more fun to have overpowered attack then overpowered defense!

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Originally Posted by GREGORY

more fun to have overpowered attack then overpowered defense!

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Not with such an imbalance though. 70 to 30 in favor of offense is fine. The way it is now, its more like 95 to 5 in favor of offense.

There is always going to be a unbalance. Live with it or put collectors on the outside of your base:)

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Originally Posted by JtB

Not with such an imbalance though. 70 to 30 in favor of offense is fine. The way it is now, its more like 95 to 5 in favor of offense.

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Not against a base with discos.

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Originally Posted by MaybacLuvsEmeal

There is always going to be a unbalance. Live with it or put collectors on the outside of your base:)

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If you defense was overpowered 95 to 5 over offense, you sure wouldn't be taking your own advice.

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Originally Posted by Gunnermatt

Not against a base with discos.

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I am speaking of maxed defenses verses maxed offense. Tier one troops against disco infernos does not even belong in this discussion.

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Originally Posted by JtB

If you defense was overpowered 95 to 5 over offense, you sure wouldn't be taking your own advice.

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Would you like cheese with that whine?

I think it's fairly balanced. Farming troops are getting a little weak perhaps...

However, heroes are so overpowered. Having level 15 heroes is pretty okey for a farmer, but they are very bad compared to level 40 heroes. Now with the new abilities I feel heroes are just... They really are too strong.

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Originally Posted by MaybacLuvsEmeal

Would you like cheese with that whine?

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Just stating the facts. We are having a mature conversation here, why dont you go play somewhere else.

The latest update was mainly focused on offense so I gotta go with attacking. Im hoping the net update will sort things out

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Originally Posted by JtB

Just stating the facts. We are having a mature conversation here, why dont you go play somewhere else.

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That's not facts, those are just your opinions lol. I will be glad to stay where I want to. Thanks sonny chim

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Originally Posted by Akali

I am genuinely interested in your experience. Balloonion is merely a TH9 army, and I too have used it extensively. It certainly fails every time against my base, so I wonder how it can be so successful for you vs other maxxed bases.

When you say "win", do you only mean getting 1 star at least? I am farming, so my definition of "win" is doubtless rather different. Loot is all that matters to me. My TH is outside, so I can be "defeated" by 1 minion, yet to me that is no defeat. I only count a "win" for my attack if I take at least 200k gold (and taking only 200 of 400 available would be a very slim win in my mind).

Losing a single gold store is however a big loss for me, and losing 2 a defeat in my mind.

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There is no TH outside at champion league so yes a win is 1 star at least. I can't say I'll defeat any max base as I do skips some bases with well mixed defense, unless it offeres very good cups, I would take my chances. I also "farm" by focus more on resources and always trying to get the win for the big bonus. I usually take out most of storages with some exception if it is hided in the center.

If I can take a look at your base, I could let you know exactly how much resource I can take from you.

Almost nothing can stop a lvl 40 raged hero and freaking 8 seconds freeze. I guess you havent ventured into champ league yet. Sure people might get a few wins with gimmicky bases but everyone eventually knows the hard counter. Design a base to counter gowiwi and ppl will just exploit it with some tier one army for an easy 50%. Super sell has been so slick lately. Encouraging everyone to gem their heroes recently if they haven't and i bet some nerf or defense change will make offense less reliable.

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Originally Posted by MaybacLuvsEmeal

That's not facts, those are just your opinions lol. I will be glad to stay where I want to. Thanks sonny chim

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They are the facts based off of the top players defensive wins for each two week session.

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Originally Posted by JtB

I am speaking of maxed defenses verses maxed offense. Tier one troops against disco infernos does not even belong in this discussion.

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Since when were balloons and hogs considered tier one troops? Also, maxed offense should be more powerful than maxed defense.

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Originally Posted by Gunnermatt

Since when were balloons and hogs considered tier one troops? Also, maxed offense should be more powerful than maxed defense.

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Have you even read this thread? I stated offense being overpowered 70 to 30 over defense is just fine. But as it stands now it is closer to 95 to 5.

You will never get agreement on this because COC is effectively trying to balance two diffrent games.

If you want to raid more than every three hours then defenses are overpowered. Ie farming of mid range cup pushing

If you want to do one full on raid every 3 hours then wait for spells and heroes before going again then offence is overpowered. Ie champs +

The only way this will ever get solved is if SC changes the game by reducing cost of spells and the time of spells and hero regen so even farmers can and need to use full on attacks.

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By adding defensive boosts that kick in at diffrent cup ranges.


untill then the question like many might as well be are you a pusher or a farmer.

How boring would it be if the defense was OP?

Yes attacking is strong but thats because you've spent so much time upgrading your troops to the max level.

imagine if you had level 40 heroes and you struggled to win.

Attcking isn't overpowered as much as you say because I can fail attacks, we all do.

Just because the guys at the top have spent $$$ for the best troops, obviously they are going to be strong.

-> Nerf heroes
-> Come up with some new anti-hero defense/element
-> Adjust percentage needed for one star in champs league to get 50:50 ratio wins:losses on attacks on average

~All champs league problems solved for a while

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Originally Posted by Crazyscorp

You will never get agreement on this because COC is effectively trying to balance two diffrent games.

If you want to raid more than every three hours then defenses are overpowered. Ie farming of mid range cup pushing

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On reflection, I believe you are correct. My poll is invalid for the simple reason that the answer is completely different depending on whether you are a farmer (like me), or a trophy hunter (like most who replied). :(

I believe defence is overpowered for my purposes, but do accept that the reverse is probably true for the trophy hunters. A fix that would work for all of us would be much bigger league bonuses.

Yes, there are two different games. If we had lvl 40 Heroes, 5 spells and max level troops, offense is OP. However, if you are the average farmer, defense can be considered overpowered.

However, with the loot system change, I believe SC has made an attempt for farmers to farm at higher levels. As oppose to having to destroy all four storage, we simply need to aim for to gain some decent loot.

This poll is significantly more complicated than how it appears.

I guess the other factor too is.

Getting maxed troops, spells and heroes takes over a year of serious play or many thousands of dollars.
Getting two level 3 inferno towers can be done quite easily in about a month.

So outside the top players over powered defence is a lot more common than overpowered offence.

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Originally Posted by Gendel

That from everything I hear and see is true.

But speaking as a Th9 holder that has always enjoyed attacking up the ladder at every level of them game so far, I'd have to say that Th10 defence is totally OP.

Nerf those disco balls a bit and give us a change of attacking, otherwise puny, Th10 bass please SC.

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No more nerfing!

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Originally Posted by GonFreakss

Yes, there are two different games. If we had lvl 40 Heroes, 5 spells and max level troops, offense is OP. However, if you are the average farmer, defense can be considered overpowered.

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I am maxxed TH10 (except walls), farming with maxxed troops. My K&Q are not maxxed though. Queen is L26, so whilst good, she is nowhere near L40.

My troops certainly feel underpowered for farming at TH10.

However, if I was only playing to gain trophies, then yes I reckon virtually every single attack would be a "win".

Read whole post.

To beat fully-semi max TH10, everyone uses Witches, Golems and Wizards mostly. No other combination of troops that does not include these three type of troops will find it impossible to defeat TH10 that is well developed and has an effective base design. This is from my experience, I get attacked all the time with these three types of troops.

I am finding this game extremely boring now just using one type of offensive strategy in every raid.
1. Lure CC/Hero
2. Deploy Golem to for meat shield
3. Deploy Wizards/Witches to take out the CC troops and Hero
4. Deploy Hero, CC and Wall Breakers
5. Deploy Rage, Freeze or Heal spell.
6. Get 1 Star minimum!!!

I want to use Dragons, PEKKA, Healer (Last time I used Healer was back when I was TH7!!!) and even Valkyries. Bring back some fun into this game for trophy pushers. When farming I used all types of troops but when pushing there are no alternatives. Thats really fustrating considering how much resources spent on the Lab of troops that we are no longer going to be able to use at Master+.

I never ever used PEKKA or Valkyries apart from the ones that were already in my CC. Whats the point of having them if they are never going to get used?

Now on to the main subject, defense should beat offense more often than not. I copied so many base designs and applied it to my own, I made so many alteration yet there is a massive difference between the number of defensive battles I won and number of defensive battle I lost. Most defensive won are down to careless mistake people make and others are down to High Level Heroes.

I feel like no matter how I design my base, it is guaranteed to get 1 star'ed. Nothing wrong with that, as there should be no base that is impossible to defeat. But the problem arises when only few selection of troops (Wizard, Witches, Golem + Heros/CC) can defeat all TH10 base design.

I want TH10 more like TH9. Here is an example:

1. Hog Base Design - A TH9 Hog Base Design is very effective in defending against Hog Riders, but because the Air Defense is at the edge of the base, the base is open to attacks by Balloonions.
2. Likewise, if you have a base to counter Balloonions then it is more open to get attacked by Hog Riders.

I see mainly two types of TH9 base design now, a anti-Hog base or anti Balloonion base.

At TH10 however, no matter how you design your base, you will always get defeated by combination of three troops. At TH9 all sorts of troops can be used to get atleast 1 star, even dragons.

My suggestion would be making another type of troops more effective, possibly changing Valkyries ability significantly. Like how SC did to Hog Riders. There is also need to be another defensive building, possibly another Inferno Tower but take away the ability that makes Heal Spell ineffective. Of course my suggestion needs to be tested, as I have no clue how this can effect the game. But from observation, the game needs to make defense matter.

Thanks for reading, I thought I make this thread to tell SC how boring and repetitive this game is getting. I don't mind losing, but when losing just to the same attack strategy over and over again, it gets really boring and frustrating. I no longer look forward to defense replay. As soon as I see what types of troops being used to attack me, I know exactly how the battle went as I have seen it a dozen time by now. So please SC progress faster, unlock TH11, Lvl 8 Tesla or add something that *Clan Wars, more single player missions* will make me want to play the game for longer. Now I just sit on shield whole day!!

While I feel this topic is a repetition of what we've heard and said a million times and isn't the best way to get a change, I still agree with much of it.

if defense should beat offense no one would attack.. its that simple. Offense should be more powerful because that means it takes more raiding time and skill to get to the top.

my 2c, this game just like many others banking on offense to be more powerful than defense. Simply because you play and spend gems more often when you attack! If we were to give defense much stronger buff, why woudl anyone spend $ on gems and what woudl be the point of logging in more often? Less play time - less revenue. Is that simple enough?

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Originally Posted by tonjerfita

if defense should beat offense no one would attack.. its that simple. Offense should be more powerful because that means it takes more raiding time and skill to get to the top.

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If you look at the champion league matches, people win 100+ times on offense, but on defense they win little to none. That is the problem, not saying to make the base impossible to defeat.

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Originally Posted by tonjerfita

if defense should beat offense no one would attack.. its that simple. Offense should be more powerful because that means it takes more raiding time and skill to get to the top.

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True, but attacking shouldn't be the only thing. It needs to be 60% while defendig is 40%. And there should be more diversity in possible attack strategies. As of now it's 1 star with barch 1 star with Loonion(2 if you find someone with xbows down AND infernos single target), and Golem + wizards and maybe some witches with either barch or gowiz(making the ever present GoWiWi) for CC and hero dispatching.

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Originally Posted by Dragonn

If you look at the champion league matches, people win 100+ times on offense, but on defense they win little to none. That is the problem, not saying to make the base impossible to defeat.

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I get you. The troops are over powered while defenses are too weak. But then, the game is not balance anymore. Too much update that is not needed. Too much update we need that are not implemented or simply i mean Rules out.

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Read whole post.

To beat fully-semi max TH10, everyone uses Witches, Golems and Wizards mostly. No other combination of troops that does not include these three type of troops will find it impossible to defeat TH10 that is well developed and has an effective base design. This is from my experience, I get attacked all the time with these three types of troops.

I am finding this game extremely boring now just using one type of offensive strategy in every raid.
1. Lure CC/Hero
2. Deploy Golem to for meat shield
3. Deploy Wizards/Witches to take out the CC troops and Hero
4. Deploy Hero, CC and Wall Breakers
5. Deploy Rage, Freeze or Heal spell.
6. Get 1 Star minimum!!!

I want to use Dragons, PEKKA, Healer (Last time I used Healer was back when I was TH7!!!) and even Valkyries. Bring back some fun into this game for trophy pushers. When farming I used all types of troops but when pushing there are no alternatives. Thats really fustrating considering how much resources spent on the Lab of troops that we are no longer going to be able to use at Master+.

I never ever used PEKKA or Valkyries apart from the ones that were already in my CC. Whats the point of having them if they are never going to get used?

Now on to the main subject, defense should beat offense more often than not. I copied so many base designs and applied it to my own, I made so many alteration yet there is a massive difference between the number of defensive battles I won and number of defensive battle I lost. Most defensive won are down to careless mistake people make and others are down to High Level Heroes.

I feel like no matter how I design my base, it is guaranteed to get 1 star'ed. Nothing wrong with that, as there should be no base that is impossible to defeat. But the problem arises when only few selection of troops (Wizard, Witches, Golem + Heros/CC) can defeat all TH10 base design.

I want TH10 more like TH9. Here is an example:

1. Hog Base Design - A TH9 Hog Base Design is very effective in defending against Hog Riders, but because the Air Defense is at the edge of the base, the base is open to attacks by Balloonions.
2. Likewise, if you have a base to counter Balloonions then it is more open to get attacked by Hog Riders.

I see mainly two types of TH9 base design now, a anti-Hog base or anti Balloonion base.

At TH10 however, no matter how you design your base, you will always get defeated by combination of three troops. At TH9 all sorts of troops can be used to get atleast 1 star, even dragons.

My suggestion would be making another type of troops more effective, possibly changing Valkyries ability significantly. Like how SC did to Hog Riders. There is also need to be another defensive building, possibly another Inferno Tower but take away the ability that makes Heal Spell ineffective. Of course my suggestion needs to be tested, as I have no clue how this can effect the game. But from observation, the game needs to make defense matter.

Thanks for reading, I thought I make this thread to tell SC how boring and repetitive this game is getting. I don't mind losing, but when losing just to the same attack strategy over and over again, it gets really boring and frustrating. I no longer look forward to defense replay. As soon as I see what types of troops being used to attack me, I know exactly how the battle went as I have seen it a dozen time by now. So please SC progress faster, unlock TH11, Lvl 8 Tesla or add something that *Clan Wars, more single player missions* will make me want to play the game for longer. Now I just sit on shield whole day!!

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I agree with the op. I'd like to see different troops changed just to make it interesting again. I recently pushed and got to master league, in the entire week I pushed I did not get attacked by anything other than hogs (not even one balloonian army). I have never been attacked by anything other than hogs when pushing. It gets boring after a while.

The fact that so many people make anti-hog bases supports the argument of how repetitive the game can be. Instead of being creative, players are forced to make their bases to keep out ONE over powered troop. I refuse to use hogs purely because of how boring they have become. They have practically nullified the work and creativity that players have put into base designs and walls etc.

Never used them, never will.

It does seem that certain leagues are dominated by certain troops:

Champs = GoWiWi
Masters = Hogs
Crystal & below = Giant/Healer.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

True, but attacking shouldn't be the only thing. It needs to be 60% while defendig is 40%. And there should be more diversity in possible attack strategies. As of now it's 1 star with barch 1 star with Loonion(2 if you find someone with xbows down AND infernos single target), and Golem + wizards and maybe some witches with either barch or gowiz(making the ever present GoWiWi) for CC and hero dispatching.

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Problem is most vicories are one stars yet a loss loses the equivalent of 3 stars. This means you have to win at least 75% just to break even and even at 75% why bother attacking when you can save the hassle and rely on defense?

To make defense win more often then they need reduce the cups for failed raids. Ie reduce the cups for a loss to the equivalent of 1 star, then buff defenses so people are winning 60% or so.

There is a big but.

Any buffs to defenses need to be purely champions only otherwise it will ruin the game for the other 99% of players.

I have suggested this before but here goes again. Defenses need to be nerfed however add boosts that kick in at certain cup ranges. This means a maxed th10 in champs will have good defense however if they sit in gold legue then there defense will be weaker.

Or alternatively drastically reduce the cost and time of spells and the regen of heroes so full out attacks are also practical when farming. As the game stands now you can't balance cup hunting without breaking farming and vice versa.

Clash has to favor offense....BUT....defense shouldn't be almost entirely useless as it is now.

I think offense should be more powerful

Defense is way OP. Can't heal while under Inferno towers?? WTH

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Originally Posted by ThatoneguyIknow

I think offense should be more powerful

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Agree with you bud...totally agree.

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

Defense is way OP. Can't heal while under Inferno towers?? WTH

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

Agree with you bud...totally agree.

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You could also try not using hogs on a base with multi-target infernos. No army should be good against every base you find(hence my issue with gowiwi)

The offense is too powerful because of the builder huts

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

You could also try not using hogs on a base with multi-target infernos. No army should be good against every base you find(hence my issue with gowiwi)

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Agreed but not being able to heal makes healers as a unit useless at TH 10. and I wasn't just talking about hogs. I think that's bad form to make a unit useless based on a defensive building. That's like saying Hogs can't destroy mortars or wizards don't work against wizard towers. Ridiculous in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

Agreed but not being able to heal makes healers as a unit useless at TH 10. and I wasn't just talking about hogs. I think that's bad form to make a unit useless based on a defensive building. That's like saying Hogs can't destroy mortars or wizards don't work against wizard towers. Ridiculous in my opinion.

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It's either have an anti-hog defense or nerf hogs into the ground.

Until the Inferno Towers get a nerf,Supercell currently favours defense

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Originally Posted by PerezHilton

Until the Inferno Towers get a nerf,Supercell currently favours defense

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If you're trying to 3 star a townhall 10 with BAM maybe.

Edit: no offense but I looked up your clan and noone even has an inferno tower meaning your experience against them is attacking a much higher level more advanced player in silver, gold, or crystal league.

By far this is correct! A little higher loot bonus would be great to. Otherwise, this is a really good post that supercell should definitely look at!

I have max heroes, maxed def, walls 1/3 lvl 11, 2/3 lvl 10. Max cups 3,736 and I believe in the Champions league that attack is now far too strong.

Before the latest update I would win 1/4 to 1/3 of my defences. I had great fun playing around with different designs. As I moved up the champ league i noticed that the really good players would generally beat my bases because they are so precise in the way they attack. However, quite a few players are not so precise and would fail against a well laid trap. Typically most attacks would come at me from above.

Since the upgrade the only def I have won was to someone who must have lost connection. I have also noticed that folk well below me can now successfully attack upwards and win loads of cups off me. GOWIWI wins 100 per cent unless you have a major mess up.

for me the big problem with this is it means i play the game much less than i used to. Before the upgrade I would often do a quick one off attack because if there was a 1 in 3 chance of winning the defence then my net cups would normally be positive. Post upgrade I can now only attack if the shield is about to run out or if I have a few hours to get in 4 or 5 attacks before i log off - I have the barracks, spells , heroes on boost to do this. So I have dropped down to playing twice a day. Really I am marking time until def is improved or i find another more interesting game!

The extra hero powers are so strong that just for fun i started putting 9 max valks in the army and can still win, providing there are lots of open buildings. Valks are not so good in complex wall structures.


IGN The_Professor, clan Bashing Beavers. Max 3,736

In this thread OP has maxed defenses at th10 at gold 3, leaves the th outside, gets attacked by giant+barb+arch and says defense is too op

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Originally Posted by Gubert

In this thread OP has maxed defenses at th10 at gold 3, leaves the th outside, gets attacked by giant+barb+arch and says defense is too op

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Maybe that's why noobs are saying attack is over powered. Hmmm

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Originally Posted by Prof

I have max heroes, maxed def, walls 1/3 lvl 11, 2/3 lvl 10. Max cups 3,736 and I believe in the Champions league that attack is now far too strong.

Before the latest update I would win 1/4 to 1/3 of my defences. I had great fun playing around with different designs. As I moved up the champ league i noticed that the really good players would generally beat my bases because they are so precise in the way they attack. However, quite a few players are not so precise and would fail against a well laid trap. Typically most attacks would come at me from above.

Since the upgrade the only def I have won was to someone who must have lost connection. I have also noticed that folk well below me can now successfully attack upwards and win loads of cups off me. GOWIWI wins 100 per cent unless you have a major mess up.

for me the big problem with this is it means i play the game much less than i used to. Before the upgrade I would often do a quick one off attack because if there was a 1 in 3 chance of winning the defence then my net cups would normally be positive. Post upgrade I can now only attack if the shield is about to run out or if I have a few hours to get in 4 or 5 attacks before i log off - I have the barracks, spells , heroes on boost to do this. So I have dropped down to playing twice a day. Really I am marking time until def is improved or i find another more interesting game!

The extra hero powers are so strong that just for fun i started putting 9 max valks in the army and can still win, providing there are lots of open buildings. Valks are not so good in complex wall structures.


IGN The_Professor, clan Bashing Beavers. Max 3,736

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Yep, offense is way overpowered in Champion league. Its not even close, offense overpowers defense 95 to 5.

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

Maybe that's why noobs are saying attack is over powered. Hmmm

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Normally I avoid personal attacks but seeing as you just called me a noob. You're weighing in on Master and Champion league discussions as a preemie Townhall 10 in gold league with a trophy record lower than a townhall 5 has gotten.

I think offence is stronger, but it is balanced, a 3 star is about equivalent to a defensive win. Offence has to be stronger, otherwise we'd all be around 1000 trophies going nowhere.

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Normally I avoid personal attacks but seeing as you just called me a noob. You're weighing in on Master and Champion league discussions as a preemie Townhall 10 in gold league with a trophy record lower than a townhall 5 has gotten.

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Originally Posted by Durham2886

Defense is way OP. Can't heal while under Inferno towers?? WTH

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Whens the last time you saw a top player use a heal spell

As a th8, my opinion may be different from you maxed tens, but here is what i have found. With a reasonable army composition (short time, cheap, etc) it is pretty balanced. If someone does giant healer or barch or strategy like that, I feel that it ends up close to 50%, either a little above or under. However, if i were to do 10 drags, three rages, my king, and my cc, i could three star basically any th8. So, in rly high trophy ranges, where ppl only do super expensive army comps, offense has a slight edge.

If we are talking maxed defenses and top level play - than yes.


However, I think SC may be digging a deeper and deeper divide between the hardcore or paying customers and the casual players.

A th10 sport lvl 20 heros, isn't going to have the same smashing power as one with lvl 40 heros.


That and I think the progression of defense has gotten more and more knee-jerk.


At th9 x-bows are a significant jump in defensive power. Once you get use to them, they are manageable. That and a player has to pick between air-ground coverage or superior range and no air coverage.

Then at th10 infernos with there disco mode represent another lops-sided gain. Now I don't think at Masters+ level of play that these defense are OP, but when a maxed Th10 is sitting in Gold I - they are pretty much indestructible. Those tentacles of death pose a huge problem for any farming composition. For those of you who say, just attack around them - well that may be fine if you are trophy hunting but if your farming there are basically 5 specific targets you want to take out (maybe 9 if you need the elixir) and if duel infernos are covering the only buildings that matter to you - getting "around" them isn't an option.

Some may also point out the freeze spell. Well th9 players don't have this and since when does a single defensive structure call for a specific spell to deal with it for a huge range of composition types?

Here's what it looks like for people who are actually effected by this change. I noticed most people who are vehemently taking the side of defense are in Gold League and are never attacked by maxed heroes or Level 5 Freeze spells but then expect their BAM "FARMING" army to pierce a well developed Townhall 10 base.

He attacked me from just under top 200 so cup loss was minimal but I'm farming so I lose 400/400/3000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAc8...ature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by InfinityBladeCOC

Whens the last time you saw a top player use a heal spell

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He is probably talking from the point of a hogger with heals ttacking people with fernos.

Ok 1st of all you misspelled offense and defense. 2nd of all the offense is supposed to be stronger than defense, so ya... when I say offense is supposed to be better than defense I only mean by a little bit not too much

Probably offense, you can break down bases easily with gowiwi.

Lots of defence

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Here's what it looks like for people who are actually effected by this change. I noticed most people who are vehemently taking the side of defense are in Gold League and are never attacked by maxed heroes or Level 5 Freeze spells but then expect their BAM "FARMING" army to pierce a well developed Townhall 10 base.

He attacked me from just under top 200 so cup loss was minimal but I'm farming so I lose 400/400/3000.

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Your link didn't work.

I agree that the difference in votes comes from the lower ranges. And I think there is a good reason for it, and its a lot more than just BAM people.

There is just a gap right now between people who have been able through huge amounts of time or by paying who have the lvl 30+ heros and max offensive abilities compared to those who still need to farm a significant number of resources. You have to remember that to get there you either need cash or to more or less have your heros inactive for a good part of a year.....


How do you balance the game so both can enjoy it? Honestly I think its just making loot more available so you don't have to claw and scratch to get it.... but that is another issue.

Offense has to have a slight edge. If a maxed base could stop everything, then no one would attack, and that wouldn't be good. Defense isn't fun, attacking is. That is why attacking needs an edge.

I haven't been 3 starred yet since I upgraded to TH10. The only way attackers get to my DE is by zapping my storage.

im sure you could if you went all out, but most people don't as its way too expensive.


However I face the same problems when going up against a TH10 to the point where I only go for TH9's

I'm pretty happy with balance between attack an defence at the moment, my base is th10 and last few days i have been between 2700 an 2950 trophies (loot up here is amazing by the way for all those asking where gold has gone it is up here) my experience is that attack in general is slightly better than defence at the moment which is good.

I think multi infernos have gone a long way to rebalancing game, at least for th10 players, as you now no longer get the endless hog rush attacks as soon as you log off which lets be fair took very little skill to get 100% against very good bases. For me the game has gone back towards the type of game i first started playing with multiple possibilities of troops for army builds and each different composition requiring an element of skill to execute successfully.

disclaimer: i am not a maxed th10 and my heroes are still relatively low (archer queen lvl 13, barb king lvl 12) so cannot comment on whether attack is op if you have maxed heroes! My base however has on one occasion defeated a gowiwi with both maxed king and queen so even this attack strategy requires at least some skill.

I am going to add a caveat to what I said earlier. If you use GOWIWI plus max heroes and have a degree of sense you can beat anything now. However, below champ I think a good base has a really good chance on defence.

I have a second TH10 account called The_Disciple, also in Bashing Beavers. He was really just a bit of fun while I waited for the main account to recharge but he defends very well. He has nothing maxed, lvl 6 pink walls, lvl 1 xbows and infernos set to discos. Most of his weapons are at least 2 or 3 levels below max. I hardly ever fight with him but use him to supply troops to the clan. Amazingly he sits around 2,700 cups. I keep his weapons loaded and decent stuff in the cc (witches, wiz, dragon). Sure he loses a few but when he wins he gets about 30 cups. He wins around 40 per cent of def. But in Master 3 there are very few GOWIWI plus strong hero attacks.



IGN The_Professor, clan bashing beavers, max 3,736

This poll seems a bit unnecessary. Why don't you just look at the stats for any given players. I'd bet you a heap of gems that a random player, either from your league or the top 200 will have a better successful attack rate than a defence one.

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Originally Posted by Prof

I am going to add a caveat to what I said earlier. If you use GOWIWI plus max heroes and have a degree of sense you can beat anything now. However, below champ I think a good base has a really good chance on defence.

I have a second TH10 account called The_Disciple, also in Bashing Beavers. He was really just a bit of fun while I waited for the main account to recharge but he defends very well. He has nothing maxed, lvl 6 pink walls, lvl 1 xbows and infernos set to discos. Most of his weapons are at least 2 or 3 levels below max. I hardly ever fight with him but use him to supply troops to the clan. Amazingly he sits around 2,700 cups. I keep his weapons loaded and decent stuff in the cc (witches, wiz, dragon). Sure he loses a few but when he wins he gets about 30 cups. He wins around 40 per cent of def. But in Master 3 there are very few GOWIWI plus strong hero attacks.



IGN The_Professor, clan bashing beavers, max 3,736

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Lol i like how you refer to the account in the 3rd person as if its a person hahah

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

Here's what it looks like for people who are actually effected by this change. I noticed most people who are vehemently taking the side of defense are in Gold League and are never attacked by maxed heroes or Level 5 Freeze spells but then expect their BAM "FARMING" army to pierce a well developed Townhall 10 base.

He attacked me from just under top 200 so cup loss was minimal but I'm farming so I lose 400/400/3000.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAc8UdyO-W4&feature=youtu.be

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

Your link didn't work.

I agree that the difference in votes comes from the lower ranges. And I think there is a good reason for it, and its a lot more than just BAM people.

There is just a gap right now between people who have been able through huge amounts of time or by paying who have the lvl 30+ heros and max offensive abilities compared to those who still need to farm a significant number of resources. You have to remember that to get there you either need cash or to more or less have your heros inactive for a good part of a year.....


How do you balance the game so both can enjoy it? Honestly I think its just making loot more available so you don't have to claw and scratch to get it.... but that is another issue.

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The video works for me, problem might be on your end. Anyone else able or not able to view it?

Also, last night I went on defense and was attacked by the worst attacked I've ever seen in Champ. I mean this guy deployed everything at the wrong time, hit 3 giant bombs with his small troops leaving him with only 3 golems, 3 wizards, and 1 witch at somewhere around 20%....and his level 40 heroes get 50% by themselves get into the core of level 11 walls and almost destroy the townhall(under 1000 hp left). Hero abilities arent overpowered my foot...

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Originally Posted by SSofJetlife

The video works for me, problem might be on your end. Anyone else able or not able to view it?

Also, last night I went on defense and was attacked by the worst attacked I've ever seen in Champ. I mean this guy deployed everything at the wrong time, hit 3 giant bombs with his small troops leaving him with only 3 golems, 3 wizards, and 1 witch at somewhere around 20%....and his level 40 heroes get 50% by themselves get into the core of level 11 walls and almost destroy the townhall(under 1000 hp left). Hero abilities arent overpowered my foot...

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Works now you did have it set on private before.

Although I sure he probably would have won anyway your defences are quite low for that level. Considering he didn't freeze your inferno towers I would be interested to see what would have happened if they were L3.

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Originally Posted by Crazyscorp

Works now you did have it set on private before.

Although I sure he probably would have won anyway your defences are quite low for that level. Considering he didn't freeze your inferno towers I would be interested to see what would have happened if they were L3.

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The dps change between my defenses and maxed is minimal. Maybe 5-10.

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Originally Posted by LilWayneClashOfClans

Ok 1st of all you misspelled offense and defense.

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No, the Queen's English dictionary spells it that way. You Americans have it wrong :p

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Originally Posted by Gubert

In this thread OP has maxed defenses at th10 at gold 3, leaves the th outside, gets attacked by giant+barb+arch and says defense is too op

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Who said I am at gold 3? :rolleyes: I am farming at Master 3 NOT gold 3.

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Originally Posted by Akali

Who said I am at gold 3? :rolleyes: I am farming at Master 3 NOT gold 3.

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How often do opponents use level 30+ heroes and level 5 freeze on you? I just want a background of your experiences with the new buffs to offense.

All strategy games favor offense. They have to or the game becomes inoperable.

Look at the stats of the leader boards and you will see they everyone wins way more attacks than defenses.