Analysis of how disco infernos affect different play styles

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Originally Posted by chummer1010

An analysis of the negative affects of discos? Now I'm desperate :rolleyes:

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"An analysis of how infernos affect different play styles" should include both positive and negative aspect of it, while staying as objective as possible, that's my take on it.

When trophy running both my infernos go to single mode occasionally 1 of each as most are attacking with golems wiz witch and pekka and discos just don't hold up to proper attacks around 3000 you just stop winning on defence 95% of the time with discos or singles or both when farming they go to disco as most won't invest the time to build the army needed or just take the th, I have posted a couple times my opinion is that if they sort out the matchmaking and league bonus there would be less farming lower down the food chain and be less complaints.

I think defences need a buff higher up and not a nurf as always my opinions others will differ I am sure

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Originally Posted by GranteIsles

When trophy running both my infernos go to single mode occasionally 1 of each as most are attacking with golems wiz witch and pekka and discos just don't hold up to proper attacks around 3000 you just stop winning on defence 95% of the time with discos or singles or both when farming they go to disco as most won't invest the time to build the army needed or just take the th, I have posted a couple times my opinion is that if they sort out the matchmaking and league bonus there would be less farming lower down the food chain and be less complaints.

I think defences need a buff higher up and not a nurf as always my opinions others will differ I am sure

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Yes, defenses do need a buff higher up. Most of the people crying about disco infernos have never even sniffed Master league, let alone Champion.

Again the same people respond saying use a diffrent statagy but don't say what that is. Even the top players have said there is no way to counter them apart from multiple freeze spells. That's why I started thinking why do the same people keep defending them? Since you add no reasonable evidence apart and just the usally blanket statements we have to assume what I have written is correct and you are just bad players.

The change made next to no diffrence to champions league so to keep referring there is pointless. Where the change has affects is on players who want to raid more often than ever 3 hours without spending 200+ gems every raid. My guess over 99% of players.

the alternative is leave as they are but reduce spell creation time by a third and cap hero regen at 1 hour. That way people can at least raid each hour. Making people wait 3 hours between raids just ruins the fun for most players.

the final option is seriously nerf defenses in general but add defensive boost that kick in at certain cup ranges.

I don't use freeze on discos only against infernos on single target i look for infernos on disco when attacking th10 i attack with either 2 golems 3/4 pekka and wiz and arch and wall breakers + heros or i attack with balloons and dragons + heros and rage is the spell i take with me for both, or you could look at the barch post if you want wins and 1 stars will do

not what you want to hear I guess as it's not 30min farming army

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Originally Posted by Crazyscorp

Again the same people respond saying use a diffrent statagy but don't say what that is. Even the top players have said there is no way to counter them apart from multiple freeze spells. That's why I started thinking why do the same people keep defending them? Since you add no reasonable evidence apart and just the usally blanket statements we have to assume what I have written is correct and you are just bad players.

The change made next to no diffrence to champions league so to keep referring there is pointless. Where the change has affects is on players who want to raid more often than ever 3 hours without spending 200+ gems every raid. My guess over 99% of players.

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Like I said, most of the people crying about inferno towers want to destroy town hall 10 bases with cheap troops.

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Originally Posted by GranteIsles

I don't use freeze on discos only against infernos on single target i look for infernos on disco when attacking th10 i attack with either 2 golems 3/4 pekka and wiz and arch and wall breakers + heros or i attack with balloons and dragons + heros and rage is the spell i take with me for both, or you could look at the barch post if you want wins and 1 stars will do

not what you want to hear I guess as it's not 30min farming army

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Haven't dragons plus ballons so may give that a try, but my normal farming army is GOWIPE and it doesn't stand a chance against well placed muti mode infernos without frezee.

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Originally Posted by JtB

Like I said, most of the people crying about inferno towers want to destroy town hall 10 bases with cheap troops.

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Pekka's, golems and wizards aren't exactally cheap.

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Originally Posted by Crazyscorp

Pekka's, golems and wizards aren't exactally cheap.

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And they have absolutely no problem against th10 with disco inferno.

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Originally Posted by Crazyscorp

Disclaimer this will probably be long

There always seem to be a couple of people who jump and defend disco infernos giving silly reasons like use bigger troops (which if they actually thought about doesn’t work, have you ever tried attacking with 8 golems?) or getting a better strategy (when asked and I have asked over 15 people who have defended them not one has been able to name that “better strategy” instead they suddenly go quiet).

I was going to start a thread asking those who defend them why? But rather thought maybe I would do some objective (debatable perhaps) analysis of how they affect the different play styles.

About me. I am currently a nearly maxed TH9 with L30 heroes and about 6 building till max, L8 walls with 35 at L9. I am a pretty big gemmer but don’t like having to use gems just to do a normal raid (ie wake up heroes). I am also a farmer (not hard-core maybe 10 raids a day), I won’t use gems for gold or elixir and always farm it (currently about 500m gold grab) In about a month I will be TH10 with two L3 inferno’s, max freeze spell and L40 heroes, I had intended to stay at Th9 to finish walls but see no reason now. My opinion is disco infernos are the biggest issue in this game and even though I will be in the best position possible to deal with them I still think they need to be nerfed badly.

The different play styles and how disco infernos affects them.

High end cup chasers, M1+: In this range using 5 spells, maxed heroes etc has pretty much always been the norm. Freezing inferno towers was normally done anyway. Has made mass dragons a bit more viable if a base has infernos on muti and reduced the chance of getting a two star with balloon and minion armies. Has made it much harder for TH9’s to complete. Overall I would say the change to inferno towers has made next to no difference here, 1-2 star wins where the norm prior and are still the norm now.

Bad TH10 cup chasers: Prior to the change they would have been beaten a lot and if they were no good at attacking would have struggled to get too even C2. Now they can sit back and defend their way to about masters 3 just with these two towers. Overall I think these people love the change.
TH10 Farmers: They can pretty much guarantee their loot will not be taken. However they now have to settle for raiding only every 2-3 hours if they want to take on TH10’s or fight exclusively TH9’s. This change means although their loot is safer finding a good raid is a lot harder (I think this is more the reason they see bad loot rather than the loot changes). Effectively they have half the targets they had prior, compounded with TH9’s taking some since they can’t fight TH10’s finding a decent loot TH9 becomes a real challenge. When you do it is normally someone like me J where you have to use 4-5 spells, heroes etc. Overall I think this change was a real killer for TH10 farming and is the main reason I haven’t gone yet.

Bad TH10 farmers: These people probably struggled to beat TH10’s prior to the update. Now they can feel safe that no one is going to take their loot and since they never fought TH10’s previously anyway they don’t feel it has affected their loot. In reality it probably has because everyone is forced to go for TH9’s now so the amount of decent targets has reduced. They probably don’t understand the game well enough to get this and blame the bad loot on the loot change not the inferno change. Overall these people probably love the change but if they really thought about it they would realise it hurts them too.

TH9’s: Whether it be loot or cups a maxed TH9 is now easier than even a prem TH10. These people now have a huge bull’s-eye on them both from TH9’s and TH10’s. Probably get very frustrated by being raided by prem TH10’s but unable to fight back. Overall I would think these people hate the change

TH8-: The forums are a free place for people to express their opinions so I am sure these people are adding their opinions. Unfortunately they have no experience and their opinions are based on what is on paper not reality which can be very different. I know when I first read about the change I thought big deal, 5 targets 40 or so dps doesn’t sound bad until I saw my first giant/wizard army whipped out by one tower.

Conclusion: The only reason I can see that anyone would defend multimode inferno towers is if they are a bad TH10 cup pusher or a misinformed bad Th10 farmer.

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you didn't understand the game