I can't believe a Town Hall 9 had zapped my Dark Elixir. Maybe he was mad I took 2500 from him and he couldn't touch mine. Either way, there is no reason a Town Hall 9 should be zapping. Pathetic
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I can't believe a Town Hall 9 had zapped my Dark Elixir. Maybe he was mad I took 2500 from him and he couldn't touch mine. Either way, there is no reason a Town Hall 9 should be zapping. Pathetic
Was he really premature?
Premature TH9s would do it as they don't have the troops/spells at a high enough level to raid for the lot.
I'm TH 4 and I had my 15k gold zap'd
I also got zapped by a th9, for 920 de. I don't even know why, as he was a very developed th9, with many level 9 walls. He could have easily gotten it if he had tried
Usually I just use it on people who used hogs on me and I lure CC, heroes and kill them. Then I zap DE. But zapping for real at th 9 just isn't necessary lol
He was slightly premature. Troop wise for sure. Still had all lvl 5 troops. Defense wise lvl 6 and 7 walls and underdeveloped WT's. So yeah you are probably right. Still boggles my mind that a th9 would do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
Thats evil and I like it...Quote:
Originally Posted by ThatoneguyIknow
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Originally Posted by sireddie
looooooooooool
I was even zapped by th10 in master league. I recieved plenty zaps by th9s in crystal 2-3 too. Its getting more popular these days since no skill needed to earn easy DE.
Could be worse. Im a th9 and was th sniped by a th6 who also DE zapped me. I had to do a double take to realize it was a th6 and not 7 but I hope that th6 used that de he took wisely :rolleyes:
he took it.. for ugh.. umm. SCIENCE !Quote:
Originally Posted by Charli3Murphy6
That sir, is the biggest fail by a attacker and hilarious at thatQuote:
Originally Posted by Charli3Murphy6
Someone in my clan zapped with 4 spells for 165k gold and 1500 DE XD
Yeah it gave myself and my clan quite the good laugh. I literally didnt know what to write in the replay description.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
Yeah I think it was science now that you mention it. Testing the durability of the black elixer while under pressure after its tank had been electrally charged. Hmm.. Interested in his findings now.Quote:
Originally Posted by GooseFraba
I will zap de when I'm rushing to get off to somewhere and wanna waste some lix
I'm TH9 and I sometimes do revenges with lightning spells on DE storages. What else I am supposed to do with a spell factory full of them??
That is way too much profit for a few zaps.Quote:
Originally Posted by agr1014
I understand it's part of the game, but when a 0 risk strategy can yield that much resource, doesn't seem right. It's no wonder the strategy happens often.
I love all the haters when it comes to zapping, calling this tactic no skill and cheap. I then look at many of your signatures and see that most of you are farmers or are "proud" to be part of farming clans etc. Ok, so please tell me why zapping (at ANY level) is cheap while constantly beating up low TH with farming methods is any better... oh, and then leaving your TH outside of walls to get a free shield. Why is one cheap tactic more honourable than the other?
Many of you are hypocrites of the highest order.
Sure there are better ways to get de, but if you have 4 lightning spells why not get an easy 1000-1200de if you have to leave the game for a bit anyways. People usually always have too much elixer so makes sense to me if you come across a TH10 with a possible high de take.
Haiiii george its HHQuote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
Starting early eh?Quote:
Originally Posted by SirEddie
A th 9 zap my dark elixir drill...butt hole took 0.7k
People hate, like myself because its cheap. I have never done and never will. If you want Dark Elixir, you should have to fight for it like any other resource. It's a cheap tactic by unskilled playersQuote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
So is farming. Why is that considered the norm and the main way to play/progress in CoC. I'm sure many skilled players zap from time to time and saying that anyone is is unskilled is simply hilarious. People will zap as it is easy, the same way people will farm as they feel the only way they can make serious loot is by destroying abandoned bases or TH weaker than them.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
I've been zapped over 30 times in the last 24 hours. Who cares? I used to do it so no point in me getting upset at them.
See I don't have such a big problem with it if a th7 or something does it. But a th9 with max troops should have no problem getting it. If you have to zap, then you are doing it wrong.
Sounds like an article from a Cosmo magazine or something ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
Out of my 6.5k wins + the ones i lost not even once i did that cheap tactic on anyone.
Congrats. A medal is on it's way to you as we speak... Expect 2-3 business weeks from North America to Turkey.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
Really. Your wins have nothing to do with this figure as chances are, if you are zapping the de storage, you're not even attempting to battle the base and will be losing by default.
By the sound of it, there is just nothing anyone can say without you being a smartass. Congrats for being the way you are while zapping Dark Elixir as a Town Hall 9 buddy. Guess people just don't want to actually try and get it legitly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
This is the most intelligent post I have ever seen on the forums, I am 100% serious not being sarcastic, very well thought out and makes perfect senseQuote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
Stop being a Hypocrite like Terraist said, people can play the game how they like, stop complaining about people zapping your DE when you yourself use cheap tacticsQuote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
For example?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
I said out of both my wins and loses. Sorry if i couldnt explain well. Still it doesnt change the truth about zapping being a cheap tactic :)
Exposed Town hall and Attacking Inactive/Weaker players, just as cheap as DE zapping and requires no skill (just like DE zapping) yet people never get hate for doing thatQuote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
No Tuvya, that was my bad sorry. I didn't need to be a ♥♥♥♥ about it. And I would never poke fun at your English as I assure you my ability to speak Turkish is much, much worse!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
Still don't agree that it is a cheap tactic though :)
The difference is defender is not playing the game anymore but the person whose DE stroage was zapped is still an active player and needs that DE. If anyone uses a decent army and take my DE i will give him my respect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
So with that attitude I should be able to say this, "Well, I really need my loot so it is very cheap for that maxed TH10 to farm my base with their hogs/bloonions/etc"Quote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
Works both ways.
Thats ok no problem ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
A townhall 10 attacking a weaker th9 is just as cheap as DE zapping and requires no skill, surely :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
Me attacking an inactive base with the majority of collectors inside the base is also very cheap and requires no skill.
I lol'd.
Ok now you can say that attacking an inactive with all collectors outside is cheap and requires no skill, which I absolutely agree. But hey, they're inactive, they've already quit the game. That cheap tactic is used to steal free resources generated by pumps, not to steal hard earned resource like DE from storages.
Ive been zapped by a maxed th10 before :p
But still there is a war! The attacker spends his resources to create a strong army and defender has the chance to protect his resources with the level of his defense buildings+layout of his base.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
I zapped a base today, to get 1k last dark for my minions upgrade, i feel really bad for that guy.
Its still cheap tactic lolol!! Makes no differences.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
Ok, how about leaving your TH outside your base (like you have right now) in order to get the free shield (like you have right now)? How is this not a cheap tactic? It's ok to raid others through any method to gain their hard earned resources but you are worried about others stealing your resources through raid or revenge so you take the cheap way out and leave TH outside? That to me, is the ultimate cheap tactic in CoC and needs to be fixed.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
Read this thread, http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...inning-defenseQuote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
That's the reason why I put my hall outside. May I have a look at your base as well?
Not going to lie that I don't zap. TH 9 myself, got mostly max defences, currently wall farming. Usually I zap my way down after I trophy push. Pretty effective too. :o
I agree with you (or that post) about trophies being useless. And yes, I hate when my CC gets wiped out as well as part of my traps even though they only raided 39%. Still, that to me (to me) is part of the game. I love being raided as it shows me where my weak spots are and how to design better etc. I will always think it is terribly cheap to leave TH outside of walls. I understand this is ultimately the fault of SC for not addressing these issues but I personally will never do it, or agree with others doing it. Losing is part of the game as much as winning imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
No you may not have a look at my base, hence why I don't add my IGN or clan on my signature. That being said, outside of your TH outside your base I like your design a lot. Not seen one similar and always nice to see a unique layout.
Any Town hall 10 can destroy a weak Town hall 9 just as easy as placing Lightning spells on DE Storage, regardless of wether Inactives have quit or not it is still a cheap tactic, even with Collectors inside its easy to get because XBOWS, Infernos etc are down, DE isn't hard to earn, I can raid 800+ DE every raid aswell as 150k+ Gold and Elixir from weaker players with ease (Never said I don't use cheap tactics, just don't try fool people into thinking putting your Town hall outside, Attacking Inactives and preying on weaker bases actually requires skill) DE Lightning is a cheap tactic, yes, but just as cheap as preying on the weak, putting your Town hall in a corner and raiding Inactive bases, yet nobody complains about these cheap methodsQuote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
According to your statement strong th 9 can destroy th 8, strong th 8 can destroy th7, strong th 7 can destroy... Etc..Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
I saw many TH10 attempts to raid some of my strong th9 clanees and ending with failure.
Btw i usually raid my DE from level 90+ players with very strong th9 and 10 players bases. When i see a th7 or 8 made it to crystal 2 barely zaps my DE i have the right to complain ;)
Yes, putting hall outside is a very cheap defense tactics that every farmer use to protect their resources, I don't deny that. I do; however, pushing very often (once every month for 10 days). During that time I put my town hall inside and push as any other trophy hunter. With that being said, there're still quite a few players that decide to full on attack my base after destroying my townhall in order to get the 2nd star (which many of them fail anyway). Just saying that putting townhall outside at higher trophy range doesn't give you complete immunity to be fully raided like at lower range (like gold).Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
I'm not interested in your base, that was just a joke, so don't worry about it.
Note that I said weak Town hall 9, my base has defeated some Strong Town hall 10 players now I am fairly developed (mid way through Town hall 9) but as an early Town hall 9 I was constantly destroyed by Town hall 10 players (3 starred easily countless times usually with a typical Town hall 10 Farming range around 1600-1800 Trophies) most of those Attacks were simple troop spams as they have Troops strong enough to take down my base with ease not even bothering about how they deploy their Troops, I also raid DE from these players as they usually have the most DE on them, oh and now your complaining about lower level Town halls making it into Crystal league who zap your DE? Crystal isn't only for high level players, it is harder than the Gold leagues but simply because someone is a lower level Town hall doesn't mean they have to stay in the Gold/Silver league, its just like a Town hall 7 zapping you in Gold league, the league is irrelevantQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
I'm a farmer but only because I believe quick growth is more important than trophies. If SC someday raises league bonuses significantly (e.g. Champions loot bonus becomes gold bonus, masters bonus becomes silver bonus, and masters and champion get way better loot, I would trophy hunt a lot more often.
As a de farmer myself, th9-th10's are lighting my de 95% of the time for 1800-2200 de. Mostly its either butthurt people, gemmers, people who don't know how to de farm, noobs and premmies. My life as a de farmer is to accept lighting revenges since it happens 2-3 times a day. They just spam the revenge button till u hop off.
exactly^^^^Quote:
http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by sireddie http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png i'm th 4 and i had my 15k gold zap'd
looooooooooool
Well I'm a th9 and havent zapped since th8. It's pretty easy to get dark elixir on most bases using mass dragons. But if you are facing off a maxed th10 with lv3 infernos and you can't get the dark elixir why not zap it lol?
So many posts arguing what is or isn't right. If you are not using the game's mechanics to your advantage that's your own fault. But calling others 'weak' or 'unskilled' because of it is just petty.
There is no honour badges in the game.
It's a war game, you do whatever it takes.
This is the point I was trying to make just didn't know how to put it into words easilyQuote:
Originally Posted by daz258
I fully understand everyone's point of view. But the reason I made this thread is becuase when you are a Town Hall 9, and you have progressed in the right way, you know by now how to attack and which bases you can attack with a certain army. Yes people want to play the game how they want, good for them. I just am the kind of player that works hard for what I do base wise and I guess I shouldn't think everyone is the same. I like to challange myself and actually raid resources.
I guess this tactic will always be around unless they change the mechanic of it. I guess I have to suck it up and watch more Town Hall 9's cowardly zap my Dark Elixir. Oh well, just watch out for a revenge
This made me laughQuote:
Originally Posted by Zombiebender
Finally a logically post.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
This is a game. Everyone is entitled to do anything they like as long as it is allowed in the game. Why do everyone wanted to force the other person to play the game the way they are playing? Also why some like to force others to follow their moral standard?
Farmers hate to be called out for their TH being outside and they have their reasons.
Lightning users also don't like to be called noob, etc, and they also have their reasons.
Premmie base owners also have their own reasons for rushing their TH.
etc,etc
So let the others enjoy their game.... please. Thank you.
P.S. What I hate most are the people who insult others who are not playing according to their standards. Or those people who threaten with those 3 star revenge. If you think the other party is inferior or you want to demolish his base, please go ahead to do it quietly. There is no need to broadcast it in the forum. We all know you are fully capable of doing it so please spare us from all the boasting. The forum will be a much better place without all this sneering, mocking and threats.
I agree with you whole heartedly. There is no book on COC etiquette - just people who don't like certain tactics but justify others. Don't like it? Revenge. Being zapped by someone revenging you? Part of the game. As long as it's not against the rules it is fair play and last time I checked there is no rule against it. Clash and ZAP on!Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
Indeed, personally I do not like how DE lightning can be as profitable as it is. As it is a 0 risk strategy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
Even farming at gold leagues with a hall out has some risk involved, sure lower risk then Crystal or Masters - but still some risk. You are never guaranteed someone will take your hall and move on. Some take it and have a free swing at loot, or another high level farmer will find you and give you a real smacking.
But unless SuperCell change it, we have to live with it and move on. If someone with a strong base only used lightning on you, they will have got less then a full on successful attack - and not have you leaking further gold re arming traps. Getting hit with lightning by high level players is not the end of the world. They are also more likely to have some decent loot to revenge unlike TH7 bolters.
Its a game mechanic that was not intended, it's like all the complaints about hogs, they destroy it all so easy. Lighting is the same but easier, click and leave/snipe. Just like a hog attack but instead of destorying everything, just getting 4/5 of the storage. I can say 95% of the forums were complaining about the hogs, but according to you "If you are not using the game's mechanics to your advantage that's your own fault." yet I can safely say that if this was about hogs people wouldn't be agreeing with this.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
Hogs and DE Lightning were intended to be part of the game mechanics, this is the biggest load of ♥♥ I have ever heard, unless you show me a picture of a Supercell Moderator telling me it isn't you are making a false accusationQuote:
Originally Posted by Vengence
Hogs were never overpowered I would agree if this was an argument used against Hogs being OPQuote:
Originally Posted by Vengence
My proof is in the constant nerfs to the hogs, first damage and health decrease, then health decrease, and now cost increase. If it was intended to be so powerful SC wouldn't have nerfed. Its like lighting, increased health the de storage to help against lighting, I still think they are trying to find a solution. This is my opinion, agree or don't I can't care.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
Why were they nerfed then?Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
Not sure about that. Even before dark elixir existed players could use lightning on storages. Back then though the spells cost gold, and took longer to cook.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vengence
Since then we have seen many changes, which is why it probably does need to be reviewed again.
In order that I can recall.
*Spell cooking time decreased.
*DE storage HP increased.
*Spell costs reduced.
*200% loot bonus dropped to 150% [since scrapped with new system]
*Spells now cost elixir.
*New loot system raised cap from 2 000 to 3 000 [For TH10]
*Spell boosts are cheaper then ever before.
Only one change that lasted [small HP increase] to fight it, which was something like 8 months ago.
While elixir spells, cheaper boosts and higher caps for ALL halls to take advantage of it have been introduced since; snowballing it.
In revenge, every bet is off.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
The real question is: Why not?
Pretty much, after my last post I almost convinced myself to try it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Axe
If you cannot beat them, join them.
It is more efficient to do today than it ever was before. Probably not right, but you either join in the carnage of lose your marbles over it.
whats pathetic is that he is now indirectly wasting Your time by indirectly Forcing you to post this. LoL guess somebody is a little sore :rolleyes:
I don't understand why you would refuse to let him look at your base? What are you afraid of?
i think it was the fact that u took 2500 from him.... zapping is commonin revengesQuote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
IGN: fatggggg
Clan: bDTP
Lv:103
Hobby: telling norsk global that infinitybladeXX is a gemmer noob (he isnt)
Because he probably is using this same general farming tactics that he is calling cheap himself and doesn't want anyone to seeQuote:
Originally Posted by adram101
1. Maybe he queued up 5 lightnings in his spell factory to revenge a maxed TH10, but found out the guy had just gotten a shield. So he used it on you to clear up his spell factory.Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
2. Maybe it was his last game for the night and he decided to zap u before he went to bed.
3. Maybe he had too much elixir and doesn't mind using it for some fast and easy de.
4. Maybe he knew it would ♥♥♥♥ you off (so much that you would make a post about it) as much as you ♥♥♥♥♥♥ him off by levelling his premature TH9.
5. Maybe his son or kid brother was using his ipad and decided to test out the spells.
Dude...there are so many scenarios that makes sense. You just need to get over it, and go out into the world a bit...and hopefully u'll realise the world doesn't revolve around you.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
See here is where you're starting to sound a little "dumb" :)
Yes IT IS TRUE GOLD farming is usually done to premature and abandoned bases So pretty easy.
But DE farming is hard Way harder then gold farming your targets are usually very advanced Th 8-10s and u gotta crack the storage they usually protect the most with a FARMING army so I hope you kind off get the point off why we get so frustrated over lightings is ridiculous how I can loose 500-1500 DE to someone who doesn't even drop ONE troop and I'm over here figuring out how to farm Well developed bases
Exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by daz258
playing this game with a moral set of rules prevents you from reaching your maximum potential in coc.
if somebody wishes to do so, all the better for the ones that do not put such limitations upon themselves.
If supercell didn't like zapping they could easily make it so Lightning only does 50% of its damage on all resources for example but they don't. Zap, get zapped, it's a war game with no rules, deal with it.
I drag rush th9's for 2k+ de per raid and ik your gonna say it costs so much elixir but who cares about elixir yes ik they can revenge but they only get 1 k back so i still profit
I get more than 6k de an Hour using goblins, archers and minions lol
Crystal 3, Crystal 2 and Crystal 1 is awesome, loads of inactive TH10's with 3 full drills, thats 3600 loot from drills :)
Awesome! Dark loot is great for me too and i guess for rest who r farming at crystal leagues and higherQuote:
Originally Posted by Zarnikon
I'm th9 and I would just zap you too see you angryQuote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
More and more do the cheap trick! TH8 zapped 800 of my dark, if its raided, fine! good luck with it but not this cheap trick yo
You know what's more annoying than a TH 7 zapping your DE storage? A TH 7 that doesn't even have the DE storage in the first place to store the precious loot. ;)
2 lightning strikes.. boom 360 DE. :mad:
I'm a near maxed out TH 9 and I occasionally zap DE for 2 reasons.......
1) I often have full elixir storages and nothing to spend it on other than spells, so may as well convert it to dark by zapping DE
2) It makes people like OP mad ;)
Nope, this is where your naivety begins to show,Quote:
Originally Posted by Oreoman
DE farming is 'way harder' to you at whatever current level you are. Which is why DE zapping makes u so frustrated until u whine so hard.
However, in this vast universe we live in, you are only one tiny speck of many. And to the many, DE farming isn't that hard, which is why getting zapped is no big deal to them, they can easily earn it back in the next raid. If someone wants to use 4-5 lightning spells (which takes hours to cook) on our DE storage to get 1-2k..well, power to them man.
One day, you'll reach this level.
Well, 3 reasons why he did it
1.He so mad,
2.He wanted it back
3.he Failed, And he most likely trying to get them fists and cloaks, Unless he's already got them :D
If supercell really wanted to solve this "problem" that you think they are trying to figure out and never intended they could have done so long long ago. Nerfs started coming to hogs fast and furious after they first became OP. If they wanted they could simply make lightning have no effect on DE storages just like the heal spell has no effect on inferno towers. But have they? No. Because they don't see this as a problem and it is very much intended to be part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vengence
I've always zapped, proud de and gold farmer ^_^,Quote:
Originally Posted by GeorgeH17
Wow, a voice of reason and logic. A refreshing change.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
You pick on the lower person your whole coc time and the one weapon they have to strike back is "cheap" wow this is a great topic and thats why supercell will do nothing as it is the only way for a lower player to do something to a higher player
As a strong th10 i will still accept to be zapped if i lower my cup below 2k trophy but if any th level going up to crystal league and zap my DE, that is not nice. I usually fight around crystal 2 and i still see some players zapping my DE. I know even if i go crystal 1 or master league i will recieve same cheap attack. When they see my DE storage full (it is usually full) they zap it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Slayer69420
My suggestion to supercell is; The amount of DE looted by lightning spell should be decreased according to the league level. It should reach to minimum at crystal 1.
What lvl and was he a premature th?
I have spare exilir. I buy lightnings. Drop on storage. Wohhoo free deQuote:
Originally Posted by Clashofclansmaster1
Each one plays the way that want
Quote:
Originally Posted by Terraist
This is the only tactic for a th7 to get de from a th10 like u if they didn't have this then 100% of de would be at th10 and also ppl can get to masters before th picking cant support any further so while your in th picking range u are exposed to themQuote:
Originally Posted by Tuvya
Are you referring to my convo with Terraist?Quote:
Originally Posted by adram101
So wait its only cheap if they have been on the last 2 days?Quote:
Originally Posted by rjdofu
I often zap DE although I'm advanced TH9.
That's the road to success dude, just look at my heroes, I have better ones than 95% of advanced TH9+ players (no gem used in ressource ofc)
That's just the strategy of the smartest, and only dumb people who didn't think about this nice and easy way to get DE before get mad because someone zapped them.
I zap very often, and get zapped very rarely, I often wonder why people dont think of this when they kill my TH ...
Anyway, your tears are sweet to me