Disco infernos has changed the gameplay

This is based on my gaming experience and does not means everyones encountering the same phenomena. But do feel free to share.

Now juz a bit of my coc profile. Been one of the earliest farmers in coc since Aug 2012. Been among the few that started real farming when i can say 95% of clashers during that time was trophy playing. Hence, i was able to max my desired th10 defenses (except ad 8, ugly huge rockets with small bucket, hence unappealing) without spending a single cent.

Few months back, was constantly floating from master to crystal, wherever theres gold or de. With my final inferno maxed out, decided to move back into master two for a bit of trophy play. And i began to notice how the gameplay at master lvl above 2800 has changed, and i m assuming its due to disco infernos.

PreDisco era,
there would be a lot of activity at master lvl. The moment i log off, i would be raided. GOWIPE, gowiwi, GiWiWi, and the normal mass hogs, witches spammed, the rare barches and miniballing. Attackers would attempt to raid my base, and in one day, would hv a defneses log of two to three attcks. It was fun. I would attck numerous times per day, using miniballs with two spells plus mid lvl heros.

Disco era, how the gameplay changes. The introduction of disco infernos seems to have greatly changed my gaming experience. Is it good? Personally, for me. No. Since getting them to lvl3, i hv observed how op they are with a good defensive setup.

1. So few attacks in master lvl ( not talking abt champion league. couldnt get there) Less than two attacks since maxing my infernos, and hvnt been on shield for weeks. Why? GOWIPE failed. Gowiwi failed. Pekka golem with lvl40 heros and 5 spells failed. No hog attacks. Even with an offering of 400k,4k de...not many attempt to raid. My own attcks doesnt fair any better, at times, miniballing ends at48 to 49%. Sheeeesh...

2. i do notice that many players in my league hv 0 attck wins, only less than 5 hv attck win more than 10. Most, i m guessing are waiting for defensive wins for trophies. Those with more than 20 wins appeared to be using gems. Non spenders to moderate gem players seems to be riding out on defensive win for trophies.

Thnak you for reading. Hence.,i m wondering if other master players at above 2800 hv similar or different experience. Do share.

Just adding onto that, I have noticed TH10 being very rich in between 2000-2600 trophies ranges, it's very easy to find them sitting on 300K each resources, (less than 10 next), where as TH9 are very poor in the same range, rarely find any above 200K each. (Many next)

I think it's a result of inferno towers + hogs + loot system change sandwiching the poor TH9 in between.

Inferno towers in spread attack mode are easy to beat with freeze spells and strong troops, i.e., dragons, pekkas, golems, heroes, etc. Also, if an inferno is in single attack mode they can be rushed with lower level troops and overpower them.

I have found the samething as i have been anywhere from high 2800 to mid 2900 also. I have lost so many battles at 49% it gets my blood boiling thinking about it. I to have played with different army setup and they all get taken out by the inferno. What i have also found is i may only get attacked 1-2 times a day and to date it has been over 2 days since i was last attacked.

really it comes down to the poor loot and cups you may win or lose. Unless you 2 star you may only make 6-9 cups but risk losing 20-30 if your attack fails. Also you require better army's that cost more so you need to get some 200k resource wins to maintain the resources you use. Really if you are attacking and defending you will lose your resources faster then you can replace them, so with the risk of losing 20-30 cups, low loot, and low attacks on you, it's like having a shield. Game has become boring.

Regardless of how ITs are dealt with. I'd bet you 20,000 gold that they would stay extremely powerful. This is a free to play game of course.

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Originally Posted by JtB

Inferno towers in spread attack mode are easy to beat with freeze spells and strong troops, i.e., dragons, pekkas, golems, heroes, etc. Also, if an inferno is in single attack mode they can be rushed with lower level troops and overpower them.

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Lvl 3 infernos are easy to beat? My latest defensive log. Look at the third attack at the bottom. Not even 40% since getting my infernos to lvl3 set at multimode.


http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0fa954b8.jpg

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Originally Posted by AndyL

Lvl 3 infernos are easy to beat? My latest defensive log. Look at the third attack at the bottom. Not even 40% since getting my infernos to lvl3 set at multimode.


http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0fa954b8.jpg

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He says they are easy to beat in every thread but as soon as you ask him to provide an exact army to beat them he goes quiet.

Basically without freeze there is no way to beat them, mass dragons is best bet but very expensive and even then can fail quite easily and if it does succeed it is normally a 1 maybe 2 star at best.

Agreed, Multi Target Infernos are insanely Overpowered, before the latest update I was Farming 5-8mil Gold and 20k+ DE per day at 2500-2700 Trophies in Master league as a Town hall 9 with my Town hall out and most attacks were snipes, whenever I did get a full on Attack a lot of the time I actually had a chance of winning, I tried Farming here and can barely profit on DE and was losing Gold and Elixir fast, now I have to switch between High Crystal/Low Masters and Gold league constantly depending on what resource I need most, I hate doing this and like to be able to sit in 1 range while profiting on all 3 Resources, also every time I log off in Master league I always get full on attacked with GOWIPE/GOWIWI almost instantly, rarely do I get sniped (maybe 1/4 Attacks) and end up losing a ton of Resources on Defence

So... You made a post ... To state that a new aspect that was previously unavailable to the game ... Has changed the game? ... Cant help but feel your trolling as stating the obvious much? Lol

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Originally Posted by Killtom

So... You made a post ... To state that a new aspect that was previously unavailable to the game ... Has changed the game? ... Cant help but feel your trolling as stating the obvious much? Lol

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Your an idiot

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Originally Posted by Slayer69420

Your an idiot

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*you're

He makes a point though. Look at my first post.

Lets not hijack a well thought out thread.

Are you seeing both infernos set to disco or one of each in masters 1?

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Originally Posted by ShapelessHorr0r

*you're

He makes a point though. Look at my first post.

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Not really, he is simply posting useless spam calling the OP a troll when he himself is trolling, its pretty obvious he was being sarcastic looking at his post, he makes no point at all

it has so true

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Originally Posted by Slayer69420

Not really, he is simply posting useless spam calling the OP a troll when he himself is trolling, its pretty obvious he was being sarcastic looking at his post, he makes no point at all

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Not quite, i do believe this is a pointless thread as it repeats several other threads on "inferno towers" the whole "it's changed the game" is itself a troll due to the fact that of course it has, it is a new addition to the top defence structure i would suggest the OP move his post to one of the other thousand threads on ITs

By the way ... I'm not an idiot but you sir are clearly a fool

I will admit that i sometimes think disco infernos may be a little bugged. Going by the numbers, a lvl6 giant should be able to stand up to a level 1 inferno for 30 seconds. Even a balloon should be ok for 15-20 seconds. Yet those troops seem to die a whole lot faster.

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Originally Posted by AndyL

Lvl 3 infernos are easy to beat? My latest defensive log. Look at the third attack at the bottom. Not even 40% since getting my infernos to lvl3 set at multimode.


http://i1284.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0fa954b8.jpg

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Wow! I really wished to watch your 3rd defense log. Can youpost your base layout? Btw thx for hiding the failed persons names.

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Originally Posted by Slayer69420

Your an idiot

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You're*
10 idiots

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Originally Posted by Killtom

Not quite, i do believe this is a pointless thread as it repeats several other threads on "inferno towers" the whole "it's changed the game" is itself a troll due to the fact that of course it has, it is a new addition to the top defence structure i would suggest the OP move his post to one of the other thousand threads on ITs

By the way ... I'm not an idiot but you sir are clearly a fool

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I believe that you're not a Mod. Your point is not valid.

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Originally Posted by Beancounter

I will admit that i sometimes think disco infernos may be a little bugged. Going by the numbers, a lvl6 giant should be able to stand up to a level 1 inferno for 30 seconds. Even a balloon should be ok for 15-20 seconds. Yet those troops seem to die a whole lot faster.

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I agree with this post. It's the most frustrating to me, because I remember that IT's came out as "the best defense against Heroes, PEKKAs/Dragons, and other high-HP troops." They were supposed to have the advantage against those troops, and be susceptible to hordes of Barbs and Archers and Minions (or just hordes in general). Now with the Multi-Mode, Healing is eliminated (there-by eliminating the usefulness for high HP troops, and now they crush the low HP troops. So why WOULDN'T you put it in Multi-Mode? Just like Ground Mode for X-Bows...I cannot remember one (serious) base design that has had even one Single-Mode or Ground Only Mode. They basically eliminated the purpose behind these innovations.

Truthfully, Supercell needs to nerf the IT and come up with a better solution for it. Will it happen....probably not now, because they are making too much chaos with it. Some people just like to see the world burn.

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Originally Posted by AndyL

This is based on my gaming experience and does not means everyones encountering the same phenomena. But do feel free to share.

Now juz a bit of my coc profile. Been one of the earliest farmers in coc since Aug 2012. Been among the few that started real farming when i can say 95% of clashers during that time was trophy playing. Hence, i was able to max my desired th10 defenses (except ad 8, ugly huge rockets with small bucket, hence unappealing) without spending a single cent.

Few months back, was constantly floating from master to crystal, wherever theres gold or de. With my final inferno maxed out, decided to move back into master two for a bit of trophy play. And i began to notice how the gameplay at master lvl above 2800 has changed, and i m assuming its due to disco infernos.

PreDisco era,
there would be a lot of activity at master lvl. The moment i log off, i would be raided. GOWIPE, gowiwi, GiWiWi, and the normal mass hogs, witches spammed, the rare barches and miniballing. Attackers would attempt to raid my base, and in one day, would hv a defneses log of two to three attcks. It was fun. I would attck numerous times per day, using miniballs with two spells plus mid lvl heros.

Disco era, how the gameplay changes. The introduction of disco infernos seems to have greatly changed my gaming experience. Is it good? Personally, for me. No. Since getting them to lvl3, i hv observed how op they are with a good defensive setup.

1. So few attacks in master lvl ( not talking abt champion league. couldnt get there) Less than two attacks since maxing my infernos, and hvnt been on shield for weeks. Why? GOWIPE failed. Gowiwi failed. Pekka golem with lvl40 heros and 5 spells failed. No hog attacks. Even with an offering of 400k,4k de...not many attempt to raid. My own attcks doesnt fair any better, at times, miniballing ends at48 to 49%. Sheeeesh...

2. i do notice that many players in my league hv 0 attck wins, only less than 5 hv attck win more than 10. Most, i m guessing are waiting for defensive wins for trophies. Those with more than 20 wins appeared to be using gems. Non spenders to moderate gem players seems to be riding out on defensive win for trophies.

Thnak you for reading. Hence.,i m wondering if other master players at above 2800 hv similar or different experience. Do share.

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Very well said and rightly too. This thread is more valid since it comes from TH10. I have been saying this from the day One, but i get beaten by hearing comments like ...

How are people in champs doing, arent they winning ?
Use freeze spell, u n00b
TH10 deserves this after suffering for a year
Adapt or storages outside
Gollems works best against Multimode
Stop whinning and upgrade to TH10
ITs on Multimode drains faster, so look for empty ITs

so on and so on ....

What is more surprising is that these comments come mainly TH8, who typically go around BARHing TH7 and zap th9 and th10. Or from people who use gems to get their resources and raid only to rant about their base or show how good they are supposed to be.

In trying to correct one issue, I feel SC is introducing more and more imbalance into game for the past 3 months
I really hope this imbalance of HOGS and ITs is corrected in this update. Perhaps Nefing is not the need of hour(creates another fault), but rethinking all over again to make both trophy hunt and farming more fun.

I dont know how this can be corrected easily ...

As a TH9 trophy hunt has become too time consuming and more importantly waste of time and effort, Looks like there are mainly two options for TH9 and below for trophy hunt; Either snipe THs till Champs, or keep nexting till you find TH9.

On a funny side:
Since IT buff was mainly due to Hogs. Set ITs that can multimode only on Hogs ! Problem solved !

Nice thread. I totally agree with you. Im using barch at crystal 1 now because i failed with some better troop config against better villages and. I have to say ive been attacked only twice in 3 days and won both of those defenses with my disco infernos. The only defenses i lost was with the TH outside which i did before going to sleep because im afraid of waking up and see 5 attacks on me raiding my resources apbut giving me no shield

They did change the game pretty significantly, but it's only really at Crystal 1 and above. Therefore if you aren't pushing (which who cares about that anyway), then you're good to go.

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Originally Posted by Killtom

Not quite, i do believe this is a pointless thread as it repeats several other threads on "inferno towers" the whole "it's changed the game" is itself a troll due to the fact that of course it has, it is a new addition to the top defence structure i would suggest the OP move his post to one of the other thousand threads on ITs

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Tom I can see that you do have a point but only because the OP's choice of a bad title for the thread, outside of that I'm actually finding it pretty interesting reading about how disco balls are effecting play at the hi masters level. I'm a Th9 and considering pushing up to mid masters for D farmng so feel this thread is usefull and is covering a slightly different aspect of the effect DB's are having on the game.

In summery, good thread bad title, lets all be friends and stick to discussing this game changing defence setting and its effect on masters, Thx

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Originally Posted by eastcoastcoalex

I believe that you're not a Mod. Your point is not valid.




I agree with this post. It's the most frustrating to me, because I remember that IT's came out as "the best defense against Heroes, PEKKAs/Dragons, and other high-HP troops." They were supposed to have the advantage against those troops, and be susceptible to hordes of Barbs and Archers and Minions (or just hordes in general). Now with the Multi-Mode, Healing is eliminated (there-by eliminating the usefulness for high HP troops, and now they crush the low HP troops. So why WOULDN'T you put it in Multi-Mode? Just like Ground Mode for X-Bows...I cannot remember one (serious) base design that has had even one Single-Mode or Ground Only Mode. They basically eliminated the purpose behind these innovations.

Truthfully, Supercell needs to nerf the IT and come up with a better solution for it. Will it happen....probably not now, because they are making too much chaos with it. Some people just like to see the world burn.

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I have one tower set to single mode, and its saved my TH on a few occasions. When a lvl40 hero is barreling down on the th, my single target inferno has been the difference maker on more than one occasion.

You guys have no idea how difficult it is trophy hunting

seriously as soon as you pass 2000 cups u see what we farmers would call premie town hall 10 with multi mode inferno

now since healers and healing spells are useless i think the game has changed big time because we can no longer spam hogs to wipe a town hall 10 so, i say make hogs fave target inferno towers to get them out of the way and then healers and spells will find a use again

or make the inferno tower do 25% damage while troops are healed! i dont know how it will work but maybe give us the freeze spel for town hall 9 at least then we can have a chance

the other issue i want to point out is that loot up in crystal 1 is pathetic, i say again supercell, PATHETIC

THE WHOLE GAME AND ITS LOOT SYSTEM IS PATHETIC

i used to have fun farming gold now I'm not having fun because the game is far too biased the balance to have fun and make it challenging needs to be reviewed and fast

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Originally Posted by Killtom

So... You made a post ... To state that a new aspect that was previously unavailable to the game ... Has changed the game? ... Cant help but feel your trolling as stating the obvious much? Lol

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Dnt quite understand what u mean. Perhaps i should hv written a bit more. As i had introduced, i ve been playing this game since aug 2012. Veteran to coc, if u may. I pushed into master at th9, relatively easy when i played. I dont use hogs so i played using miniballs all these time. How i notice a change in master gameplay? Let me go into details base on my own personal experience.

th9, maxed, push into master league. The moment i logged off, i get raided till my base is flatten, and this was at 2600ish trophies. Well, thats kinda expected of a th9 in master league, right?

<back to crystal farming >

th10, semi maxed with two lvl2infernos. No disco ball. Pushed into higher master league. The moment i logged of, i would be raided. Numerous attempts per day if without shield. A check on my league table will show many players with a number of attacks wins.it was an active master league. Fun.

<back to farm again>

th10, maxed (except ad) but without disco infernos (being upgraded to lvl3 for two weeks),. Raided non stop the moment i logged off. Lost a lot of defenses, and loot. But no complain. Master league after all. Gowiwi, GOWIPE, two stars my base with ease.

th10, maxed, one lvl3 disco done..attcks dropped. But still being attcked on my side without inferno protection.

Finally, both infernos done, set to disco mode. Gowiwi, GOWIPE...all failed without even getting to 40%. Look at my defense screen shot. League table showed most dont even hv attck wins.

yea, so i m juz trying to point out base on my own playing experience how gameplay at master had changed, from fun active attacks, to a fear of losing trophies and so waiting for trophies using defensive gameplay.

I have a decent amount of faith that the Multi Mode IT will be nerfed in some way (halve healing instead of cancelling it, is one suggestion). Either this update or the next. Personally I don't mind the thing that much since I recently became TH10. Many arguments are made in favor of the current situation, which are understandable as well. Personally I think the main problem is not the entire defence prowess of TH10, which should be way stronger, but that it came in the form one 1 defensive building. It really is a game changer.

Saying it's not impossible for TH9 to climb cups might not cut it. We're not all balloonion pro's.

No offense but players with low level of skill shouldn't be at masters or above.
I'm a th10 farming at masters II, and 99% of my raids are against th10 with multi infernos. I'm not even a pro or anything close to it.

Here's some screenshots of my attack and defense log:
http://i.imgur.com/NGH7n8c.png
http://i.imgur.com/SSaEwcW.png
http://i.imgur.com/189aRhF.png
http://i.imgur.com/0rwqglM.png

Nice log sithis :)

Pwnd me there Sithis. Nice log. You make a valid point. :o

The only counter argument I can make is that 2 starring used to be possible and in fact necessary to offset the inevitable defensive losses a TH9 will endure. Whether one thinks it was needed or not, it did get harder for TH9.

Currently sitting at master 1.

Multi infernos are easy to beat for trophy hunting however should be avoided if farming.

At this level the attack style is usually to go for the 50% and claw your way up, have seen many successful attacks on my base and that I have used on others.

1) dragons, lot of people using these now with a few rages and couple of freeze.

2) ballinion, go for the 50% on the outside of the base

3) barb arch, yes the simplest of farming armies is actually being used to get 50% on bases due to the amount of buildings we now have.

So to conclude no it is not impossible to beat the infernos as if it was people would rush to TH 10 get them then be champion.

I have however noticed that since the multi's came out it has seperated the good players from the fakes, before the towers everyone would hog to champion, now it takes a lot more time, effort and skill. The players that used to just hog attack are now the ones complaining loudest as they know no other attack lol

As for farming, steer clear of these if your in the crystals or gold. If you are like me and enjoy farming in master 3 then use ballinion on selected bases you won't go near the infernos but if storages are close to the outside welcome to farm city lol

I am a numbers guy and the data is in, I barely win with 6-9 trophies and 50-60% when I do on attacks I used to regularly win. I have been stuck in Master 2 for four months, clawing up to within 4-5 cups and then losing 5 attacks in a row. I have tried multiple strategies and all have similar or worse results.. When I do get attacked, I win 22-30 cups 9 out of 10 times because the same thing is happening in reverse. I normally spend well over 100k looking for a good attack and still barely win. Besides the IT issue, I have seen a lvl 5 queen defend head to head against a lvl 25 queen (mine) and win??? Don't forget about the bomb upgrades....they have affected play to.
I keep saying I am not going to attack anymore and just win on defense but that is not why I play and NOBODY has attacked me in 4 days!!! So this is not just my opinion, others in my league see the same futility. I regularly spent $20a week in gems so I could rush spells or troops because i only have a short time to play and attack each night, but it is not worth it now so SC is losing out on $ from me....but maybe making tons more with this mix....idk??
bottom line, not fun to attack anymore and nobody is attacking me so what am I left with??

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Originally Posted by Mamakuz

I am a numbers guy and the data is in, I barely win with 6-9 trophies and 50-60% when I do on attacks I used to regularly win. I have been stuck in Master 2 for four months, clawing up to within 4-5 cups and then losing 5 attacks in a row. I have tried multiple strategies and all have similar or worse results.. When I do get attacked, I win 22-30 cups 9 out of 10 times because the same thing is happening in reverse. I normally spend well over 100k looking for a good attack and still barely win. Besides the IT issue, I have seen a lvl 5 queen defend head to head against a lvl 25 queen (mine) and win??? Don't forget about the bomb upgrades....they have affected play to.
I keep saying I am not going to attack anymore and just win on defense but that is not why I play and NOBODY has attacked me in 4 days!!! So this is not just my opinion, others in my league see the same futility. I regularly spent $20a week in gems so I could rush spells or troops because i only have a short time to play and attack each night, but it is not worth it now so SC is losing out on $ from me....but maybe making tons more with this mix....idk??
bottom line, not fun to attack anymore and nobody is attacking me so what am I left with??

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I'm not even going to start to read this massive BLOCK of text...
Why are there so little players on the forums who know how to write properly..

Attachment 26523Not sure why this pic is so small?? But here is this week, look at the armies attacking.

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I'm not even going to start to read this massive BLOCK of text...
Why are there so little players on the forums who know how to write properly..

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Why are there so many TROLLS?