Supercell is devaluing the worth or importance wall and defense

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Originally Posted by Piper139

Funny. With gold pass and being active, can't remember the last time I didnt just convert runes to gems. 8 legends attacks a day doesn't need runes. 12 days of 50% cost reduction. Not time. Cost. Time is the major currency in game. Sure the event helps with walls. For some people. It sure isn't going to help those 13s with purple walls get maxed in 12 days. You chose to play more. Or spend more. I assume because it gave you enjoyment. Just enjoy it. Your complaint is the flip side of the long time f2p vs gemmer argument. It, imo, feels like saying the plebes shouldn't get a few crumbs tossed their way. I'm at a stage in life where a year of gold pass is insignificant. For some of my clan mates, it is a large investment. I applaud supercel for giving them a break. Last, play time for me is fun time. Not work time. More play time is good. Bonus that it helps me progress quickly. Anyway. I'm checking out of this thread. I dont get the devalue complaint and don't seem to be doing a good job of explaining that.

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I think you’re doing a fine job of explaining why you feel the way you feel. I think where it becomes impossible is if any of us tell others how they should feel. We all play and enjoy the game in slightly different ways so it’s no surprise that balance changes (including cost or time) impact us all differently.

I agree with you time is the main resource in the game, which is why I think time reductions make more sense than cost reductions. If SC wants to help out newer players to catch up and/or encourage new players to start playing, time reductions are what do that. Cost reductions help inactive players, so I get why active players are irritated by them.

This is a strategic decision. New TH coming soon, so creators wants players not to get stuck in upgrading walls. BTW it is the first time the wall cost is discounted. This comes every year if I remember correctly

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Originally Posted by kristojesus

BRAVO all of you!! Let me share mine and other clanmates sentiment...We drudged that far and await for you just to catch us? We ran and competes that miles completing 6millions wall each just to wait competitor in marathon? Where is the logic....If you're not fully maxed don't bother to comment cuz you don't know what it feel like....

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I am fully maxed on my main account and only have walls to upgrade on my second best account. However, my 18+ additional accounts need a lot of upgrades.

If I use your logic, you have no right to comment because you don't have more than 20 accounts at varying stages of development.

It was pretty tough typing that. it seems like such an arrogant thing to say that somebody doesn't have a right to comment on something. I'm sure that Supercell understands that some players only care about themselves and will react badly to events like this. However, Supercell cares much more about the long term health of the game.

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Originally Posted by Iduyenn

And dont forget. A lot of inactive bases will be reactivated due to ppl coming back.

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Oh ghosh you were stalking me.
Anyways jokes aside, i downloaded today after a long time and hell yeah! this event is really awesome. My walls were a lot behind in th13 and now i will try to max walls as much as possible.

I agree with what you're saying. A few years ago, I made a video talking about why I don't agree with making things cheaper. I have another video about it, in relation to walls, coming soon too. As nice as it is sometimes, it's just kind of a slap in the face to people who spent time, effort, and potentially money when things were more difficult.

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Originally Posted by ValhalClash

I agree with what you're saying. A few years ago, I made a video talking about why I don't agree with making things cheaper. I have another video about it, in relation to walls, coming soon too. As nice as it is sometimes, it's just kind of a slap in the face to people who spent time, effort, and potentially money when things were more difficult.

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I didn't watch your video but does it explain why someone would start playing a mobile game that's been around over 8 years now when they wouldn't have a chance in maxing out without things cheaper? How would you bring in new players with them knowing they will never be maxed without spending some big money?

If you truly feel it's a slap in the face then why do you stand there and let them keep hitting you?

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Originally Posted by ValhalClash

I agree with what you're saying. A few years ago, I made a video talking about why I don't agree with making things cheaper. I have another video about it, in relation to walls, coming soon too. As nice as it is sometimes, it's just kind of a slap in the face to people who spent time, effort, and potentially money when things were more difficult.

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Let's say you buy a new TV. Now the following year, stores drop the price significantly partly to clear inventory and partly because the newer models are coming out. Is that a "slap in the face" to everyone who purchased the older model? No of course not. While the analogy isn't an exact 1:1 comparison, the emotional factor is still relevant.

Clash is approaching 9 years this summer. If we didn't reduce costs and upgrade times, it would take years to make any significant progress in the game which would be a massive turn off to new players and would be significantly discouraging to current players who want to keep progressing. This is simply the nature of games that continually release new content. It's not unique to Clash.

Darian, pretty sure that you will see them waiting for discuonts outside stores at black friday..

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

I didn't watch your video but does it explain why someone would start playing a mobile game that's been around over 8 years now when they wouldn't have a chance in maxing out without things cheaper? How would you bring in new players with them knowing they will never be maxed without spending some big money?

If you truly feel it's a slap in the face then why do you stand there and let them keep hitting you?

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I think this is close to a good argument :) I think you need to change "cheaper" to "faster." Active players have no trouble keeping their builders busy because loot is easy to get if you're active and active players should have an advantage in progression over less active players. I agree time reductions are needed along the way.

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Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]

Let's say you buy a new TV. Now the following year, stores drop the price significantly partly to clear inventory and partly because the newer models are coming out. Is that a "slap in the face" to everyone who purchased the older model? No of course not. While the analogy isn't an exact 1:1 comparison, the emotional factor is still relevant.

Clash is approaching 9 years this summer. If we didn't reduce costs and upgrade times, it would take years to make any significant progress in the game which would be a massive turn off to new players and would be significantly discouraging to current players who want to keep progressing. This is simply the nature of games that continually release new content. It's not unique to Clash.

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I think the TV price reduction is a good response to the "slap in the face" comment, but not the overall feeling OP was originally trying to express, or at least the part I agree with anyway. I know you didn't say it does apply, but many others use this type of consumer purchase analogy when this issue comes up regularly and I think it doesn't really apply well. It doesn't apply well because I'm not in a competition with some other consumer who purchased the TV a year later. For many of us, progressing farther than others is part of the competition/fun of the game.

To use a ridiculous example: if every new player was just given a max hall to start with that is one hall lower than the top hall, such that the vast majority of players are maxed out before the next hall drops...it would take away some of the fun for me being maxed out. I know that doesn't apply to all. Some play this primarily for war or trophy pushing and the more max players the better, but for me I like it as a base building game. I like being more maxed out than most. I don't think everyone needs to feel that way, but I don't think there is anything wrong with me feeling that way.

On the other hand, taking the ridiculous example the other way, if there was never a time reduction at all for the build of anything (and if we had less builders), that would increase the rarity of being maxed out, which would make it more fun to me to be maxed out. But...the game probably dies and then I have no fun at all!

So, I recognize SC needs to reduce upgrade times for the long term health of the game. Even though I don't love it, I also understand it is needed. I don't think permanent price reductions are needed. Active players have no trouble keeping builders busy. Time is the thing that slows progression, not cost.

Now, if we could only get some decorations for max players to spend excess loot on....that would be something unrelated to game play that would give a base builder like me something to feel like I accomplished that newer/less active players wouldn't be able to get so easily.

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Originally Posted by BrodoCaldo

Darian, pretty sure that you will see them waiting for discuonts outside stores at black friday..

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No doubt, since the value to consumers of that particular TV is the same even if the cost is reduced temporarily.

There are other consumer products that would be a more on point example, such as clothing that is not of significantly higher quality, but costs significantly more only due to the name brand. Consider a shoe that costs $500 that doesn't look better, feel better, last longer, etc. than a $50 shoe. However, people buy the $500 shoe so they can walk around and show off the fact they have a $500 shoe. If that shoe company the next year releases those same shoes at Wal-Mart for $25, without a doubt that has negatively impacted almost all the people who bought the shoe the year before for $500.

This is something luxury car makers have had to be careful with. They want entry level cars to hit the more common market and increase total sales, but those entry level cars do negatively impact their top luxury cars. You can call it a "C" class all you want, but when significantly more people can afford to buy that particular brand of car, it lowers the name brand value of the entire line.