Valkryes ai improvement

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Originally Posted by Mayankkumar

Where is this thread going? This is a lightning spell based thread. Valk thread is just beneath it.

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This thread has been off track of lightning for a while. It slowly comes back occasionally but it still discusses the fact this is the op's secret "make th 8 harder" thread.

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Originally Posted by Def4ultpl4y3r

No. I guess you do not know what I am saying do you? I am saying that valks, even when funnelled like to split off and do their own thing so they lack teamwork skills.

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I understand perfectly what you are saying.

Funnelling is primarily focused on limiting the choices that a troop/troops take at the beginning of an attack (though not always just at the beginning) so that the attacking troops follow a direction you dictate. Ie. go into the base not around, go left not right etc.

Pathing is primarily focussed on the path troops will will take throughout the attack. ie. after the troop/troops take out the inferno, which target will they choose next and which target will they choose after that one etc etc.

To your question, once you have funnelled your valks into the core, which pathing will they take once the TH has been taken out is dependent on what targets are nearby. If you know that they are likely to choose something to the right for example, then if you want them to go left instead you need some other troop to take the nearest target out first. This in effect forces your troops to follow the pathing that YOU choose. Failure to do this allows greater chances for a group of troops to split up.

This explanation is exactly why many disagree with making progression too easy, important lessons are not learned when they should be and players have a less than optimum experience because they overdeveloped.

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Originally Posted by Mayankkumar

Where is this thread going? This is a lightning spell based thread. Valk thread is just beneath it.

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If this thread and the valk thread were merged, I don’t think OP would notice or care as long as we’re still talking about th8.

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Originally Posted by chased123456

If you remember correctly, when the sweeper came out, it got a lot of hate because of how useless it was. It was called a "leaf blower" by almost everyone i talked to.

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We all called it the hairdryer :)

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At those low ths, it has minimum push back. Yes if you didn't think about it at all, it could repath the dragons but not many bases used it well. You can go through the forums and see the many complaint threads about this defense when it came out. I recently did and gave me a good smile since I know how some people dislike it for being too good now.

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yes, it wasn't all that useful at TH8 with just one of them.

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Originally Posted by Ajax

My mistake. For some reason I thought valks didn't unlock until TH9.

I don't remember them being used much at TH8, but several of our clan used them a lot at TH9.

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I can't blame you for forgetting. I think they're probably one of the least used troops in the game.

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Originally Posted by Ostentatious

I can't blame you for forgetting. I think they're probably one of the least used troops in the game.

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I do remember for a minute using govaho but then they were nerfed and it changed to goho.

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Originally Posted by Tollboothwillie

I do remember for a minute using govaho but then they were nerfed and it changed to goho.

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Way back, I remember running the falcon attack. Basically valk pinball. All I remember was set a basic funnel, drop valks and rage away. Could be devastating. Or they could chase butterflies. :p

I would rather chase butterflies safely then get killed be a bomb tower

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Originally Posted by Tosti111

First off, I see valks used quite often in three star strats at TH13. They are effective at helping to set a funnel, I have seen them used as TH kill troops and various other ways. They are rarely used in large groups but neither are super wallbreakers. They are good troops for a specific objective.

If wallbreakers are not used in large groups, why do you believe that valks need a change to make them more effective in large groups? Is this just a preference or is there some objective in mind? Is there a specific TH level you are concerned with?

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I have accounts with experience throughout Titans, and in Legends. I never see this use of valkyries. I almost never see valkyries.

One or two valkyries are not useless, they have DPS and HP, so the army may work like any other, but valkyries are not particularly effective at setting a funnel, or anything else, ahead of another troop.

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Originally Posted by Def4ultpl4y3r

Why do troops split up with the ai anyway? If I put 10 dragons in the same spot they shouldn't split up and go to the same building. This is why people get angry at this game sometimes because the troops just split off. They should all just stay huddled in the same group and die together. They need to work in better groups because that was how they were intended to be programmed

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A few years back there was a major change in troop targetting, they stopped targeting the nearest building, and instead something much more complicated. The end effect was to decrease the tendency of troops to clump, to increase their tendency to go in different directions based on a very small difference in starting point. This was great for PEKKAs, which are ruined when multiple attack the same building, and the group does this repeatedly. It was disastrous for the valkyries.

On balance, I prefer the PEKKAs being useful, but the valkyries need some love.