Paranoia [TH8 Farming Base]

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January 18th, 2014
Avernicus

Paranoia [TH8 Farming Base] *UPDATE*

Harbinger
Definition: a person or thing that announces or signals the approach of another

The design of this base is inspired by Labyrinth typed bases by Toby: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...cussion-thread

The base is designed in such a way to make it as difficult as possible for enemy deployment of troops by making them guess and anticipate where the traps are instead of using brute force attacks. Sieves are incorporated into the design to lure troops to their respective targets. Eg. Giants to defenses, goblins to resources etc.

Traps are then placed strategically based on the building location. Eg. After a group of giants meet a tesla, there will be a spring trap to remove some giants before they can advance to the defensive building. The idea here is to isolate and reduce the number of tanks as they plough through the base to make the rest of the troops more vulnerable. One trap leads to the another and thus the name Harbinger.

Overall, the base's purpose is reducing the amount of damage done to the base as possible while prioritizing the respective choice of resource and simultaneously keeping the base vibrant and fun.

Strengths:
-mass funneling to siphon troops into one tight spot for splash
-multiple traps placed strategically to mess with the enemy's mind
-sieves to separate troop archetypes eg. giants from goblins.
-triangulated defenses with AoE well covered
-almost centralised clan castle
-well protected gold and elixir storages
-storages can be interchanged depending on priority

Weaknesses:
-Core mortar exposed to dual lightning, leaving part of the base vulnerable without splash support
-Scouting troops may trigger traps prematurely
-Requires both high level splash (eg. mortar) and point defenses (eg. cannon) to work effectively.
-Vulnerable to Archer Queen in the early stages
-Not completely anti-hog (testing in progress)

Screenshots:

Enemy vision:

http://i.imgur.com/V4UGnPL.png

Actual vision:

http://i.imgur.com/ivm3ry9.png

Triangular defenses:

http://i.imgur.com/6pInOVD.png

Spring traps placed such that giants get springed twice. Once at the entrance, second at the inner pathing while funneling makes tier 1 troops vulnerable to splash from both wizard tower and mortar.

http://i.imgur.com/VtDPa2z.png
http://i.imgur.com/zwv0XfR.png

More funneling to remove giants. Bomb at entrance to weaken tier 1 troops.

http://i.imgur.com/ENc8vHI.png

Mass deployment of air-borne troops will face an air-mine. Example shown here are mass balloons taking heavy damage from the air mine and subsequently cleaned up by the wizard tower.

http://i.imgur.com/MBYiEgL.png
http://i.imgur.com/cS7XNQ8.png

Elixir storages placed on the outer perimeter tanks damage from snipers while allowing the core mortar to pummel enemies with splash:

http://i.imgur.com/P2sicA5.png

Some replays:

http://i.imgur.com/tzHMpTC.png
http://i.imgur.com/hykMdQ3.png

Will upload more replays when possible. Constructive feedbacks are welcomed. :D

Updates:

18/1/14 2308hrs: Added new defense log, repositioning of defenses and triangulated defense feature.
19/1/14 2243hrs: Added more defense logs
20/1/14 1710hrs: Modified outer funneling for better AI pathing
January 18th, 2014
Ervin

May sound like a silly question but how do you make those lines and circles in the pics?

P.S. the base is good.
January 18th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ervin

May sound like a silly question but how do you make those lines and circles in the pics?

P.S. the base is good.

Haha i opened the picture with paint and worked with what tools i had in there.

Thanks. :D
January 18th, 2014
R3taliate

Although this base seems good they weren't serious attacks, I would like to see someone actually have a go at pummeling this base i to the ground, also could I have a look at some replays in your clan
January 18th, 2014
MarionCast

Good effort, but as mentioned this design needs some more serious testing. None of the replays featured an AQ attack (which is TH8's biggest fear). One of them was an auto-win (dropped BK and End Battle) and another was a sniper. You're at Gold II so there's a good chance you'll eventually encounter an attack with an Archer Queen so maybe you can keep us posted. :)
January 18th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarionCast

Good effort, but as mentioned this design needs some more serious testing. None of the replays featured an AQ attack (which is TH8's biggest fear). One of them was an auto-win (dropped BK and End Battle) and another was a sniper. You're at Gold II so there's a good chance you'll eventually encounter an attack with an Archer Queen so maybe you can keep us posted. :)

Yup. Had one. Not too long ago. :rolleyes: That attack took out the entire southern part of my base. 2 gold storages breached. Had to reposition all my defenses thereafter.

Updated thread with new positioning of base and new defense log.
January 18th, 2014
J011Y1ND1AN

I've never been a fan of labyrinth bases:

Simple barch army with a few giants and rage are all you need to three star. WBs are not needed, and heroes can discharge traps. I'm sorry, but as a th8 myself, labyrinths don't work against serious farmers.
January 18th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by J011Y1ND1AN

I've never been a fan of labyrinth bases:

Simple barch army with a few giants and rage are all you need to three star. WBs are not needed, and heroes can discharge traps. I'm sorry, but as a th8 myself, labyrinths don't work against serious farmers.

Thats true. But nevertheless, labyrinth bases add more fun, vibrancy and versality over the mundane stagnant bases that u see and loot everyday.

For me, i strike out a balance between both fun and farming. :D

Cheers.
January 18th, 2014
ClashTV

Awesome farming base, and nice defenses!
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by ClashTV

Awesome farming base, and nice defenses!

Thanks. Awaiting more tests and adjustments from attacks.
January 19th, 2014
NioTheDreamer

Quote:

Originally Posted by J011Y1ND1AN

I've never been a fan of labyrinth bases:

Simple barch army with a few giants and rage are all you need to three star. WBs are not needed, and heroes can discharge traps. I'm sorry, but as a th8 myself, labyrinths don't work against serious farmers.

As a Barch user and a Labyrinth maker - that's not 100% true

Yes a Labyrinth is not made to stone wall a really smart/experienced attacker using cheap fast builds - but if your labyrinth is any good it will hold up about as good as a normal base.

EDIT: Also, a Labyrinth should be deceptive and hard to read. I lure in allot of attacks that think their in for an easy attack. Their giants wander off in a random direction, their archers bunch up right in range of mortar fire and the barbarians head a different direction than the range units. Often I loss only 1 gold storage, and hog raids fail miserably.

Yes occasionally someone smashes me to pieces, but its rare enough to be a small problem
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

As a Barch user and a Labyrinth maker - that's not 100% true

Yes a Labyrinth is not made to stone wall a really smart/experienced attacker using cheap fast builds - but if your labyrinth is any good it will hold up about as good as a normal base.

EDIT: Also, a Labyrinth should be deceptive and hard to read. I lure in allot of attacks that think their in for an easy attack. Their giants wander off in a random direction, their archers bunch up right in range of mortar fire and the barbarians head a different direction than the range units. Often I loss only 1 gold storage, and hog raids fail miserably.

Yes occasionally someone smashes me to pieces, but its rare enough to be a small problem

Usually that one fella that crumbles me is a full dragon army.. :rolleyes:
January 19th, 2014
KamikazePekka

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Usually that one fella that crumbles me is a full dragon army.. :rolleyes:

Usually that one fella who does that gets a dragon army right back at them:):p
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by KamikazePekka

Usually that one fella who does that gets a dragon army right back at them:):p

Provided i have enough elixir for that. :p
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Added more defense log. So far, only 1 gold storage breached.
January 19th, 2014
Orz

Very nice base! I honestly would have no idea where to attack from. Would love to see some more full out attack defence logs :)
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Orz

Very nice base! I honestly would have no idea where to attack from. Would love to see some more full out attack defence logs :)

Will try to get more battle screenshots too. :D Thanks for the compliment.
January 19th, 2014
Sphinx

Nice base! i love the trap placement! Only problem in my opinion could be the wizard tower placement. I like to have my wiz twrs all in the secondary core. But that's just me. :p

Sphinx
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphinx

Nice base! i love the trap placement! Only problem in my opinion could be the wizard tower placement. I like to have my wiz twrs all in the secondary core. But that's just me. :p

Sphinx

Hmm. U mean have the wizard towers swap with the mortars?:confused:
January 19th, 2014
Sphinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Hmm. U mean have the wizard towers swap with the mortars?:confused:

No, I mean the wizard tower on the outer layer, it's a little exposed imo.
:)
sphinx
January 19th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphinx

No, I mean the wizard tower on the outer layer, it's a little exposed imo.
:)
sphinx

Ahh i see. Hmm. Any ideas on where i can shift it? I'll try to think of something. :D
January 19th, 2014
Sphinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Ahh i see. Hmm. Any ideas on where i can shift it? I'll try to think of something. :D

Maybe switch wiz twrs and air defenses?
January 20th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sphinx

Maybe switch wiz twrs and air defenses?

Alright. I'll try that when my WT is done upgrading. xD
January 20th, 2014
Wolfwind12345

awesome idea i like it
January 20th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolfwind12345

awesome idea i like it

Thank you! :D

Update: Modified funneling in outer perimeter based on AI pathing.
January 20th, 2014
Avernicus

No all out hog + heal spell attack yet.
January 20th, 2014
Avernicus

Added 2 more prototypes that are untested
January 21st, 2014
vDrag0n

labyrinth type bases are always fun to watch on replay. good effort.
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by vDrag0n

labyrinth type bases are always fun to watch on replay. good effort.

Indeed it does. Especially watching them walk over the traps one by one. xD

Update: Currently using Paranoia- The Harbinger as my base for testing.
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Update: 1st heavy attack on Harbinger II occured 10mins ago. Awaiting more attacks for further tweaking and adjustments of traps based on AI pathing.
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Got 100% by TH9 army. Excellent. Requires more tweaking for Harbinger II.
January 21st, 2014
R3taliate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Got 100% by TH9 army. Excellent. Requires more tweaking for Harbinger II.

What leave are you testing in?
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by R3taliate

What leave are you testing in?

U mean league? Gold II.
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Got 100% by anther TH9 army. Seems that the AQ is indeed a problem. Updated Harbinger II with defense logs
January 21st, 2014
R3taliate

I suggest dropping down a bit then work your way up once youve figured out the wekanesses
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Update: Relocation of traps and tweaking of wall placement for Harbinger II enabled survival of 2 semi-heavy attacks. Awaiting more tests.

Edit: Added more details to thread
January 21st, 2014
Avernicus

Further adjustments to Harbinger II made.
January 22nd, 2014
Avernicus

Major revamp to Harbinger II. Awaiting more tests before uploading new pics of base.

Commenced Trophy Labyrinth prototype base.
January 22nd, 2014
chummer1010

I like the first base shown, not a fan of the second one. Great design!
January 22nd, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by chummer1010

I like the first base shown, not a fan of the second one. Great design!

Thanks! Haha I've already completely revamped the 2nd one entirely. xD The new updates will be up shortly along with more def logs.
January 22nd, 2014
chummer1010

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Thanks! Haha I've already completely revamped the 2nd one entirely. xD The new ♥♥ will be up shortly along with more def logs.

Sweet! If the base I'm testing now (see here) isn't working, I'll definitely use this one!
January 22nd, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by chummer1010

Sweet! If the base I'm testing now (see here) isn't working, I'll definitely use this one!

Haha sure! ^^
February 17th, 2014
Drew1999

Where is the base? Pictures need to be updated :/
February 17th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drew1999

Where is the base? Pictures need to be updated :/

Updated. :D
February 28th, 2014
Teaas

please, please make a th9 version of this beast!
February 28th, 2014
Kjeldinator

First pic, northwest side has barb king, second pic, northwestside has archer tower, next pics northwest has wizzard tower for triangular defense, please OP, explain
March 1st, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kjeldinator

First pic, northwest side has barb king, second pic, northwestside has archer tower, next pics northwest has wizzard tower for triangular defense, please OP, explain

Basically shifting them around due to upgrades. :P
March 27th, 2014
R3taliate

Nice base, how is the new base coming along?
March 27th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by R3taliate

Nice base, how is the new base coming along?

Testing out another base (i believe i posted in some share ur base thread... xD) updates coming soon..
March 28th, 2014
Palalay

haha! It looks nice, the attacker will be saying that it is a complex design ;)
March 28th, 2014
5hadytru

Now you've inspired me to go out and make one! Fantastic base :cool:
March 28th, 2014
R3taliate

Would it be alright if i was to test the new base with you seeing as it is my last days at townhall 8?
March 28th, 2014
rawroutloud

please release the new base :D
March 28th, 2014
R3taliate

Ive found it
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...95#post1611695
March 29th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by R3taliate

Would it be alright if i was to test the new base with you seeing as it is my last days at townhall 8?

Yes of course u may! :D
March 29th, 2014
R3taliate

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avernicus

Yes of course u may! :D

Can you send me the image of it or your clan name so i can have a look see and copy it?
March 29th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by R3taliate

Can you send me the image of it or your clan name so i can have a look see and copy it?

If u're referring to the latest base, u've found it few posts above. Just add that upgrading tesla into the empty space in the core and u're good to go!
April 24th, 2014
deedee02

CANT SEE THE BASE...although I am on my ipad.
April 24th, 2014
Avernicus

Quote:

Originally Posted by deedee02

CANT SEE THE BASE...although I am on my ipad.

Will fix it later. :p
April 24th, 2014
Avernicus

Pics are up. Again. xD
May 3rd, 2014
Avernicus

Bump for publicity!
June 5th, 2014
rioarctic

your WTs must be inside to protect powerfull , you gotta update soon
June 5th, 2014
Sphinx

Quote:

Originally Posted by rioarctic

your WTs must be inside to protect powerfull , you gotta update soon

in that pic it was upgrading. I doubt it's really outside of the walls. Btw, he can't update it, he's a fresh th9.
December 14th, 2014
Rogue06

Help's needed

Hello Avernicus!
It's a long time since someone replied to this tread..
I'm here asking you for an advice. I really love this base you have here, It has a charm to me, that's not matched by other bases in this forum..Since I was a TH7 I wanted to try it and now that I finally got to TH8..a problem arose.
That problem is the 4th mortar! I tryed a few dispositions but it just doesn't seem to fit in..The problem is that in order to place it in an advantageus position, I have to move something else, like a wizard tower, in a place where its not going to help at all or even in a place where it hinders the base..
Right now I'm using the original design because I'm keepin 1 mortar in constant upgrading, but I don't know what to do in the future..can you help me here?

One more thing..I see that the traps disposition is different in a few of your screenshots, so what do you think is the best placement for them?

Thanks in advance for your reply
December 14th, 2014
Bourbon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue06

Hello Avernicus!
It's a long time since someone replied to this tread..
I'm here asking you for an advice. I really love this base you have here, It has a charm to me, that's not matched by other bases in this forum..Since I was a TH7 I wanted to try it and now that I finally got to TH8..a problem arose.
That problem is the 4th mortar! I tryed a few dispositions but it just doesn't seem to fit in..The problem is that in order to place it in an advantageus position, I have to move something else, like a wizard tower, in a place where its not going to help at all or even in a place where it hinders the base..
Right now I'm using the original design because I'm keepin 1 mortar in constant upgrading, but I don't know what to do in the future..can you help me here?

One more thing..I see that the traps disposition is different in a few of your screenshots, so what do you think is the best placement for them?

Thanks in advance for your reply

Since you asked me yesterday and seeing how I'm also a big fan of his bases I tried my best and that's what I came up with:
http://i.imgur.com/xKkQczq.png
December 14th, 2014
Rogue06

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourbon

Since you asked me yesterday and seeing how I'm also a big fan of his bases I tried my best and that's what I came up with:
http://i.imgur.com/xKkQczq.png

Wow this is very similar to what I came up with! Maybe there are not a lot of alternatives :/
This is probably what I'm gonna end up using, because it seems to be the best formation, unfortunately there are 2 things that I don't like that much: 1) Anti-airs are not triangulated; 2) The wizard tower on the right is not covering any deposit and is practically useless (And this is exactly what happens every time I try to switch something)..
Anyway, thank you for your help!! I'm very happy that an expert like you made the effort of helping a newbe like me:) This community is awsome!!
December 14th, 2014
Bourbon

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rogue06

Wow this is very similar to what I came up with! Maybe there are not a lot of alternatives :/
This is probably what I'm gonna end up using, because it seems to be the best formation, unfortunately there are 2 things that I don't like that much: 1) Anti-airs are not triangulated; 2) The wizard tower on the right is not covering any deposit and is practically useless (And this is exactly what happens every time I try to switch something)..
Anyway, thank you for your help!! I'm very happy that an expert like you made the effort of helping a newbe like me:) This community is awsome!!

No problem, maybe Avernicus might have some things to add? :rolleyes: About the air defences, it might look awkward but they still cover the whole base. Depending how they're triangulated it might happen that one side is more protected than the other which could make a base kinda uneven in my opinion. But you're right about the wizard tower :P
December 14th, 2014
Rogue06

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BTW, this is my version!!
Please take note that I started my TH8 journey 1 week-ago, so everything is pretty low level. And 1 Dark barrack is missing, I'm gonna place it like in the original!

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