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Why doesn't supercell make a spell that can act as a protection against Lightning spells. They can be made the same way as regular spells and automatically deploy. Or make a new upgrade that can be bought to minimize the damage of lightning spells. Or make the storage have a 1/2 damage ability just like the tesla has the 2x with the pekkas. Just a thought :)
This is indeed a problem. Posting here is meaningless, as nobody affiliated with the game will respond in any way. You will curse them every time this happens to you, indefinitely, unless you decide to sacrifice trophies to retaliate against other people.
Since they clearly don't care about improving content that is already implemented, you're wasting your breath :(
Okay thx man
Not true. SneakyMaori replied to this thread, which is essentially the same topic talking about a different target: http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ent-s-defensesQuote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
And I for one applaud what Sneaky said.
I think they had a feeling that this would happen. Maybe thats why you can only loot 5% of storage unlike other storage's where its 25%.
OPs post in that linked thread should be the thread winner. He's dead on.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Funny how the first page of that thread is full of idiots defending something that they are clearly ABUSING and don't want to lose. Exactly the point I've made before about how people can't see past whats best for them and comment on what would make the game better as a whole. Even one idiot said it required skill because new players don't use it properly. Correction: it WOULD require skill if there were ANY CHANCE for the defender to counter the spell in any way.
Hidden tesla lightning rod for the win.
I know adding defense against 'offensive' spells will make this game much better :D
Never knew that. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by TJwTC
Didi...
The counter should not be a "blanket" defense for your whole base. Tesla would be the best option IMO. The lightning user needs some risk involved for such a strong spell. If there was a chance he'd be casting it on a tesla, which is hidden, which would reduce the damage a good bit, then the spell is fair for both sides. It would only need to be a one tile radius, basically only protecting items that are "touching" the tesla. You can't tell me that this wouldn't be a decent solution. Dragons are pretty cool too but if there was no air defense it would be pretty lopsided. Same applies here.
Why don't we just add a "Nuke" spell that wipes out someone's entire village in one click? Neither is defendable, so what would be the difference? And remember, if everyone has access to it then it's gotta be balanced!!!
While you're at it, boost the dps of the teslas to over 9000, make its an AOE attack of 100 square splash, and increases its radius to the whole map.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
The best option would be an anti-spell spell.
You place it similar to the Air bomb with a radius (preferably a smaller radius) and when a spell is released within the radius, the anti-spell shoots up and neutralizes the enemies spell.
We really appreciate your participation in the forum, but unless you can keep it constructive, helpful to other users and respectful of the employees of Supercell then I suggest you get ready for a nice little "vacation."Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Steve
I think this has been discussed before.
The reason why people are using this tactic now because DE is still limited.
And the reason by your feel bad (if you are the victim) is also because DE is scarce now.
We won't feel that sour if someone uses lightning spells on our elixir storage right?
So advise is upgrade your DE storage. Be contented with upgrading a BK. Silly to save up for a Archer Queen at this point.
Since its such a waste of time and nobody cares, why did you even bother come to the forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Lol that's the kind of staff I like. Keeping it real. You guys keep doing a great job at supercell cause we are all loving itQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
It's about time he had a warningQuote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
Watch out Steve or he might just rap at you a rehash of his last complaint
Yet again SC prove ♥♥ wrong by answering him when again he's being discourteous :)
♥♥♥♥ I cracked up at the rap comment. ♥♥ the notorious whiner. Out of 4 topics started, 3 closed, 1 deleted. Even got a warning on a regular post. What a boss haha. He's really making a name for himself and its not pretty.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
OT, one of our new clan members said he steals DE with lightning spells. What did I do? I said "upgrade your spell."
I have a simple solution. Lighting Spell create damage but cannot steal resources. How does lighting steal stuff? Therefore if a defending healer heals mines and pump but cannot return lost resources. Then in contrast lighting spell do damage but not steal resources.
*thumbs up* if you agree :P
By that logic, archers, wizards, balloons and dragons shouldn't be able to steal resources too. How does shooting arrow or throwing a fireball steal resources?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alzar
:rolleyes:
You know what they say, if you can't beat them, join them. :)
...because inside each of the bombs dropped by a zeppelin is a tiny goblin, ready to grab resources at the moment of impact and then race back to the village with the loot?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sandalhat
That would be SO epic.
Mike
I think it's total ♥♥ that anyone can drop 3 or 4 lightning spells and take a significant amount of loot without even dropping any troops. Why can't they make it so you can't drop multiple spells of the same type in the same area?
Isn't that strategy called "shock and awe"?Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
I call it Staples. Just use the EASY button! (Lightning Spell)Quote:
Originally Posted by KAHN
Of course a bunch of people show up to defend it. The strategy is so simple that all the morons that can't attack for real can still get wins and resources! Just drop 2-4 lightning spells on dark elixir storage for easy pickings. Much easier than drilling for the stuff! Or drop a couple on a mortar to eliminate it easily before you even drop a troop to make easy access for victory! Not any difficulty to pump out lots of lightning spells. 5 year olds could follow such a strategy. Weak part of the game that could be fixed by not allowing you to place same spells in same area. Wake up supercell! This is a very cheap strategy that requires no skill whatsoever and makes the game imbalanced.
The lightning spell allows you to destroy one building (excluding clan castle, town hall, and storage) if you are willing to spend 40k and wait two hours. It does not seriously imbalance the game, especially when one considers the tweaks Supercell has made since when spells were introduced (ie, since before spells were added a th8 has extra spring traps and one more cannon and archer tower). Could there be improvements? yes. In fact, we already have two threads about it in the ideas subforum. Bring it up there.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
Simple strategy is what wins wars. But then its a game not war. What do you want... A stand off where you lose nothing in a raid... But I bet you want to win resources when you attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
It's there so stop whining about it. It allows weaker players the ability to try and crack open a more advanced base... Why not.
Is it fair that a th9 with lvl 6 troops can raid a th7. Does the TH9 raiding a TH8 say I only take 20 troops to make it fair.......no and we are all guilty of raiding poorly laid out bases that are lower TH. if you say you dont then your the moron here
Just because you dislike an attack does not make it unfair
How is it that morons use it.... So you name any lightening user as a moron....nice, just because you feel cheated.....it's a game grow up
What skill have you got....what have you mastered that makes your finger tapping a screen better than that of someone else.....it does not entail any skill...it is merely the application of a finger on a screen....how have you developed skills. Are they transferable.
The game takes no skill
Buy buildings...upgrade buildings ad infinitum. Where is the skill
People see far more into a GAME than they should.....
OMG I just lost 1/2 million gold....I'm poor what ever should I do... Oh I know I shall skilfully revenge and take more......
It's not real relax :)
Just because you disagree with what I typed doesn't make me an idiot. Also, there are ways to counter the spell, but it takes skill. Hint: be smarter.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Media do you know who your actually talking to..........Quote:
Originally Posted by mediapluck
Careful he might rap attack you for this comment
Drivel.
There is timing, placement and choice of troops. Lightning ignores all of that.
It is no wonder that someone who thinks the game requires no skill whatsoever champions the lightning spell.
Dumping lightning spells on dark elixir is worthy of contempt.
I didn't say all who use it are morons just those defending its use to easily steal resources or take out defenses without laying down any troops. These people just say to do it back to others!Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
Unfair cuz there is no way to counter it and there is no skill to using it. I'm not saying that spells are unfair just saying using the same spell multiple times in the same spot is unfair. At least make it so you must have a troop in the area to use it or something.
You show your ignorance when you say this game takes no skill. You may play with no skill but you will not get very far unless you got lots of money to spend.
nooooooooooooooooooo!Quote:
Originally Posted by horus40k
Don't warn him.. Just let it happen!Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
Edit: wait I thought it was BSmittyau who rap battled peeps
Lightning requires you to master your defense, not offense. Who's the champion you speak of?Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
Ahh right, so masters of defence know how to protect their one de storage from lightning. I will have have to master defence :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by mediapluck
Champion is a verb in this context.
Growler...I'm not championing the lightening spell per seQuote:
Originally Posted by Growler
I use it on clan castle troops when they emerge... I raid for de like most people.
I use rage spells more than anything else followed by healer spells.
But there is no true skill to tapping a screen. :)
Again what skills have you mastered, you still have not answered my question but posed one back.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
How am I ignorant because I believe that you have developed no skill in tapping a screen.
How do you equate money with getting far... How far are you... I have not assumed you will not get far. A child can get to a decent level just raiding where is easy.
As I said it does not take skill to tap a screen and touch upgrade ....
I never once defended its use to steal DE and I raid using rage spells and troops. So where's your argument there then. I just said stop whining
Now of someone raids me with three lightening spells I don't shout unfair, I brew two and a rage. Lvl5 barbs and giants and I destroy their base after using lightening on the DE just to show I can. Then I 3 star them.
It is. Media was commenting to ♥♥Quote:
Originally Posted by Ly3rly
Yes there is.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
Timing, choice of troops and placement of troops are skills. You may de♥♥♥♥ate them because you are tapping a screen, but that does not mean that they do not require skill.
Edit: Good grief, the ridiculous censor has infected the forum as well.
Just a few replies:
Media, I called you an idiot because you refuse to understand that just because a newbie may not know how to use something, that fact has no bearing on how much "skill" it requires or whether it is balanced or not.
Pingfao, before you try to "mirror" my post in a desparate attempt to discredit what I said, think about the effect my suggestion would have on a hidden telsa. From your post, you obviously think that this would make it overpowered. In my opinion, it just gives the defender the option to sacrifice one hidden telsa to defend something from lightning. When someone is dropping a lightning jar, it would usually be obvious if there were a blatant spot for a telsa right next to it, so the attacker will rarely drop the spell here. As a downside, the defender is missing a telsa from somewhere important because he's got it "married" to a dark elixir storage somewhere else.
The "skill" would come in to play here by learning when or when not to deploy your lightning spell, and how best to position your telsa to defend the object you want but still have it serve a reasonable defensive function against normal attacks. It's really a great trade off, but a new "defensive item" like the air traps or whatever would serve just as much purpose. I just assumed since they tied Telsa's to Pekkas based on how lightning is "supposed" to behave, that this change would make sense along those same lines.
Also, as further proof that you donks wouldn't know a balance issue if you fell over, Supercell has clearly stated in their Sticky in the Improvements thread that they would not ever want to implement any type of system where you can exchange one resource for another. A lightning bottle is exactly that. You now have a way to exchange 20k gold for Elixir or Dark Elixir, your choice. Since they seem to be against this concept, you'd think they wouldn't be so shortsighted as to throw out a blanket statement of "spells probably won't be changing". Gotta love a good ole contradiction.
Do I get a vacation now for speaking the truth?
Let's battle...
I always do this, I fact 30 mins ago 3 lightning spells rained down and I recieved 600 DE :)
Lol, this might have not been the best thread to post about that in.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominic115
More on topic, I am fine with them perhaps adding something to LESSEN its impact, but they better not (and said they wont thankfully) nerf it.
I never claimed to master anything. Just that I have developed skill to become better at this game. I enjoy playing games of skill but not so much games of chance. There is no skill involved in dropping several lightning spells in the SAME place. This contradicts the overall balance of the game which in my opinion should be based on skill. Your revenge tactic only works if they are not online, don't have a shield, and have resources stored for you to raid. You're ignorant because you make the claim that this game isn't skill based. That is the viewpoint of ignorance or a gemmer. Which are you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
i dont see why they cant create something to counter the spells its a good idea, same as the air mines defenses thing.
like mortars get destroyed with only 2 spells lvl 4/5 so an "spell trap" would decrease the dmg and make it the player use another one to destroy it or the teslas could be a lightning rod.
Thread winner.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
Why drill for the stuff when you can just keep brewing up lightning spells?Quote:
Originally Posted by dominic115
Great point...a spell that takes an hour can steal you more DE than a drill produces in two days...but that's gotta be balanced right? It's the same for everyone...Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
Seeing as you base makes it so easy to steal your resource, fair enough I reckon.Quote:
Originally Posted by dominic115
No base in the world will make a difference against a lightning bottle. Locate the Dark Elixir, Drop the bottle. End of transaction. They can have 5,000,000 walls and the result is still the same. Whatchu talkin bout Willis?Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
I'm on your side on this subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
I was trolling the troll who has a th9 and gold walls.
Not sure if I wrote my reply properly I meant, I used 3 lightning spells on his DE and I recieved a nice amount of dosh.
Oh. Gold walls are super pretty though...Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
LolQuote:
Originally Posted by Growler
I was trying to work out what de****ate could be...... :p
"Refuse to understand"? Sorry, but that doesn't make sense. On the topic, you have yet to convince me.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
I'd rather them take away DE than take away lightning.
Dunno what people moan about, if someone lightnings your DE thy have, or will soon have a hero. You now have the advantage of watching them progress and smack em for double or even triple the amount of DE they took just before they start the upgrade.
Paitence is a virtue folks, but it is also an awesome revenge :)
Im pretty sure nobody is recommending that they "take away" anything...a minor tweak could fix the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by mediapluck
Considering your apparent fondness for lightning...any chance you might be basing your decision on your personal preference rather than what actually makes the game fair?
Ok your skills with English just missed me completelyQuote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
Revenge tactics ..... Your clearly are an idiot then. How else can revenge tactics work
1. They can not be online
2. They can not have a shield running
3. You can visit them and wait for their resources to be there....
How does your revenge work then. Different from us normal players.
I always love idiots that throw out a two option statement and say " well which one are you"
I'm neither, but you have an overrated opinion of yourself and what your doing here. Just because you think your right does not mean you are
Your playing a game...
An if you read my post you would see I don't use lightening like you describe people, I merely said it was not unfair.
You then go down an ignorant rant just because I don't believe you have skills at this game.
No hand eye coordination, no puzzle to solve... It's just build, upgrade and raid and defend.
Make your life seem really exciting by claiming you have skills, I don't care if you believe you do or not. But you certainly care when told I don't believe we do :)
How is that ignorant, why because I dare disagree with you. That makes you ignorant. But if it makes you feel better. There, there, you are brilliant at the game, a master - what lvl and TH are you? :)
♥♥ thinks your a threads a winner..... What's that two or three warnings and a deleted thread ♥♥. Your opinion is not sooo welcome, why not get another thread closed :p
The tweak was increasing DE storage hitpoints and add more defensive weapons. And you can only loot 5% of DE storages as opposed to the normal 25%. Heros arent that fantastic anyway and if people would just build (and upgrade) their drills and be patient, those heros will be achievable soon enough. As for mortars, you have 3 and if someone pays enough for 4 lightnings spells (plus trainng time) its a net loss for them anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
If a player sends 11 dragons and rage spells at a base, it doesnt take any strategy (at least not for 99.9% of bases) and there is no defense against it. He is wasting respurces to do so anyway. Everything that is indefensible doesnt need to be changed, or else we would be able to finally construct a perfect base. That would be the ultimate inbalance.
Care to comment on no converting 1 resource to another? Or just conveniently left that out? :PQuote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
It clearly takes skill of where to place each dragon and when to release his rage spells. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
I understand what your saying about converting gold into elixir.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Can I ask you a question in the same light please ?
If I build 200 archers and raid someone and my archers get to his DE and I raid his DE have I converted elixir into DE ? or merely raided with troops.( Add in each troop name for archer)
Sure. But in several of your posts, you seemed to get mad at people who nitpick at one part of an arguement. Hmmmm.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Anyway, this is a conversion of resources that is highly inefficient. You can trade 60k of gold and 3 hours of time, for about 500-700 DE. On top of that, there is a great chance that you will lose quite a bit of that in the same manner. Players that use lightning spells to accumulate dark elixir are honestly being very inefficient.
On a broader scale, that argument is a moot point anyways. Everything in the game is based on indirect resource conversion like that. You know what I did today? I used about 50k of elixir to make an army, and raided over 200k gold!
The stupid filter thinks I am illiterate and racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
The filter hates us all equally :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
I agree with the efficiency argument. 60-80k gold for 700-1.5k DE isn't a trade I would make.
On the other hand, when you're raiding a lot and getting revenged for 700-1.5k several times a day it puts a pretty big dent in DE acquisition.
As usual, apples to oranges. Your 50k was an investment that may or may not succeed. No guarantee. Plenty of variables.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Lightning... No variable. Cook one hour, press two buttons, VOILA! Resource conversion. No risk at all. 60k and an hour is much more cost effective than your 10 dragon example which costs multiple hours and 300k+ elixir, and still no guarantee. If the dragon scenario was a problem people would be complaining about it here every day. Completely unrelated.
Care to try again? 60k is nothing for someone that has no DE and wants a hero, obviously. It also gives farmers more incentive not to step up and raid for DE... They can stay at 1000 trophies and just revenge attack for DE where there would otherwise be none.
Hmm...
Reread my posts, because you are trying to mix two completely different arguements. My dragon example had nothing to do with your resource conversion arguement.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
As for the risk involed, I will grant you that. Making spells for this purpose comes with virtually no risk at all, whereas troops require at least a mediocre level of skill. That doesnt adress the larger point, though. Spells have a far lower rate of return than troops. Period. This is what makes your resource conversion arguement wrong. Troops make a more efficient conversion from elixir to either gold or dark elixir than any spell, lightning included.
Disagree. Hit a near maxed guy with lightning once. 3 spells got me almost 2k. Coulda sent every troop I had at him and barely breached an outer wall. That's unbalanced.
I get the dragon argument was separate, but based on the statement in the previous paragraph, I still contend that even with dragons (which would still be counter productive in every circumstance), I wouldn't have been able to touch the guy. Still variables and skill involved there, and still no guarantee of success.
Only skill I needed to steal his DE like a thief in the night turned out to be locating his storage.
Get a clue bro! I'm saying your revenge solution doesn't always work. Those are three reasons it may not work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
I don't give a rat's asss how u play the game. I'm only making a statement on how the game can be improved and I said those defending this "EASY button" way of raiding the most precious commodity were morons because it is out of character with the rest of the game.
Clash of Clans is a game of SKILL. Sorry your community college didn't educate you well enough to understand that. Most everyone else can figure this out pretty quickly. I never claimed to have "mad skilz", just voicing my preference for skill based gameplay. There is no skill involved in dropping 2-4 lightning spells and wiping out an entire dark elixir or mortar or wiz tower. If they tweaked it so that you could only hit an area 1 time then you could still soften up the defenses or mow down clan castle troops but you would get rid of the jackasses who just raid 2 steal dark elixir and don't even throw down troops.
Lol... Narrow minded dudes here man. If they find something to manipulate to their advantage, they'll defend it Tk the grave regardless of fairness. Don't take it personally. SC encourages their attitude by rarely changing anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
I love this idea o_o hidden teslas' do resemble lightening rods in a way, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
In my opinion the solution to this problem will be to boost the elixir amount from de drills 4 k a day from maxed drills is ridiculous , gay parade attached:
Ohh calm down tiger.. People always get aggressive when they feel they are losing an argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by sandiego
Don't know what a community college is - I gather its somewhere you went to school.
Sorry I only went to university and medical school.... They did not teach me enough about life to be rocking up their with you.
It's funny how you don't answer questions but pose your own, you make statements on personal characteristics like school when you clearly have no clue (Bro.)
I'm not your Bro
But you said my revenge did not work for three reasons... And then state the obvious.... Why because you have circular researchers logic. I can prove I'm right by referring you to my previous argument. Therefore I'm right credo....
Nope
You keep banging on about DE, I agreed with you on that point and stated its not what I used lightening for and that I use rage. But I was saying its not an unfair spell.
But again you go back to your previous argument.
I never used the words MAD SKILLS.. Can you read what your writing.
And I said WE do not have skills....go on go back and reread it
And you believe if you use ♥♥'s argument style you will be a winner...nope don't think so.
In a discussion you need to try and convince, not keep rehashing the same argument. I heard you the first time I disagreed. Then you use words like moron etc....why...that's why I called you am idiot.
Children play this game.... It's not difficult.
You then postulate that to be non ignorant you have to take your stance. But you back it with no evidence just a rehash of the same argument
And when you really feel like you can't argue you imply to the forum I was educated at a community college. Hmmmmm
"Nice one, do you have a qualification or is mad skills in CoC the only one" that would be your logical argument used back at you....doesn't work really does it.
Calm down and go back to skilfully tapping your screen
:)
Upping production Would do nothing but reward lightning further. It needs a counter in the form of something giving a defender a small chance of reducing the damage, therefore not to make it weaker or useless but require careful "placement" when used. The radius should be very small, but the defender should be able to pick 1-2 targets that it wants to "protect" from the brunt of the spell, and I felt having this dictate a telsa's placement would be a good counter. Hidden trap would work too but it would need to be expensive... I think the tesla idea is more balanceder!
Boost the amount that the drill produces...
Can't complain if it replaces itself!
Also, it won't be worth the time making the lightning spells if its easier to just produce the stuff yourself...
Quote:
Originally Posted by KAHN
Though I wouldn't mind a production boost, that does nothing to address the "problem" of the current system lightning spells operate on.
All that effort but you let yourself down badly there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
What skill do you possess in your job? I could get hold of a sharp knife and cut someone open. Granted I would probably mess them up, but then again, most people mess up attacks on my base when all they have to do is tap a screen.
I could say the same to you.....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
I don't cut people open and just leave it at that. I perform surgery which is, using your quote, like you merely turning on your iPad or iPhone. The cutting is merely the first sequence I perform to get to the operating site... Similar to you looking within a folder for an app.
I did not say I posses any skill in my job. I did not even mention my job, but the other poster was implying I gather that my education was sub standard...then again I don't understand the reference so maybe he was giving me a complement.... Not too sure.
All I did was correct him.
But focus on a minute bit of the thread and I will focus on you just turning on your iPad/iPhone.... You will tap the screen to the app...with skill of course as you have to select the right page, with the right folder, and the right app.......that takes skill effort and dedication :)
Ahhh my fail. I missed the boldQuote:
Originally Posted by Growler
That unfortunately is the problem with big hands and small iPhone 4S screen and the auto complete
I should learn to reread my own post before submitting it lol
Thank you growler for the correction :)
I only focused on the part of your post I disagreed with. I believe there is skill involved in playing this and every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Horus40k
How do you define skill?
We stated in our sticky thread that we would not allow clan members or friends to be able to exchange one resource for another or to TRADE/DONATE resources to/with one another.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Let's take a step back though: using your argument, any raid at all would be a form of "resource exchange." If I spent 100k elixir to create an army, raided a village, and took 100k in gold is that not, by your novel definition, resource exchange? How is that any different than using a lightening spell to the same effect?
So, by your logic, any raiding or stealing of resources whatsoever constitutes resource exchange, which Supercell explicitly states is not going to happen. In that case, I guess we should completely remove raiding from the game since it goes against your interpretation of our statement on resource exchange/trading? Sounds good. Players can sit around piling up gold and elixir and never have to worry about unfair resource exchanges, building defenses, or throwing away all their hard earned resources on spells and troops. We'll just call it "Of Clans."
Also, the response you got from Supercell simply asked you to follow forum rules and did not even begin to suggest that we wouldn't consider changing the way spells work. We don't make blanket statements on any design decisions, unless we are 100% sure of the conclusion. Please do not attempt to speak on behalf or come to conclusions on behalf of Supercell as it is misrepresentative of our views and is not productive for the rest of the community.
Also, no vacation yet, just as long as you keep behaving all nice like!
Thanks and carry on.
Not to be argumentative, but I think you're wrong in both counts.
I saw a quote (which I thought was from a supercell rep) stating that they did not anticipate spells changing anytime soon, or "if at all", or something along those lines. The quote made it sound like a decision had already been made.
The other novel you wrote was already addressed in my convo with Zach.
Normal raiding requires you deploying troops, troops fighting, troops penetrating a base, troops avoiding traps, troops getting to loot, etc. it's clearly an "investment" which can go either way. You do the wrong thing, you have a net loss. You do the right thing, you have a net gain. The risk/reward is the key here.
Lightning doesn't fall under that category at all. You cook it up, you find ANY lucrative base, and you deploy it on whatever resource you'd like to gain. No risk, no "investment", etc. Just a one hour wait and two presses of a button. Essentially, it functions EXACTLY like a resource exchange building, assuming the resource exchange could only be done once an hour and charged you 20k gold. This allows me to loot dark elixir from a base that my normal troops could NEVER get to, and in much larger quantities than at my normal trophy range if I'm using revenge on a higher opponent. This also allows me to "farm" low trophies and still have a regular supply of dark elixir available, which normally would not be the case. (I stay around 1200 trophies and haven't sen a single base with over 150 dark elixir available, yet I revenge bases regularly that I could never penetrate and steal 500+ dark elixir with no risk)
Can you see the difference?
Here is the exact quote from Sneakymaori that you reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneakymaori
That would be the one, thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Steve, this would be a great time for you to address the issue that you intended to address a few minutes ago since you now have all of the information. You seem like a good guy, so I am hoping you didn't reply to the thread to try and "put me in my place", only to disappear once the facts came out. I'm not trying to be rude, I just really would like your take on this issue now that you're up to speed.
There we go. Supercell think that using troops to get dark elixir is the same as dumping a spell, that can be placed anywhere, on the storage.
I'm starting to think bsmittyau has a point.
While I do think he shouldve been more "up to speed" on this issue since he's a developer and it's been complained about for weeks, let's hear what he has to say before we jump on the guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Growler
It's one thing if they've heard the issue and decided to leave it the way it is because they feel it somehow benefits the game, but it's an entirely different issue if the developers are completely "out of touch" when it comes to issues like that or what has been told to players about their stance on a topic. This is why I think acknowledgment on Supercell's behalf on what they plan to do about certain glaring issues would go a long way... We would at least know that the complaints don't fall on deaf ears (as it seems like may have been the case regarding this issue)
Here are a list of ideas that have been ruled out:Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...eas-guidelines
These ideas have been ruled out by the developers - please do not start new threads asking for them, they will be closed:
* Donating resources or gems to other players
* An exchange building to convert elixir to gold and vice-versa
* Assigning multiple builders to one build/upgrade
* Player search function
* Ability to change village name
If you don't read it there, then it hasn't been ruled out. Sneakymaori has earned the right to state his opinions on Supercell's stance as a moderator if he so chooses. However, "there's a great chance spells aren't going to be touched," is a lot different from "we're not making any changes to spells." The latter is what you are attempting to claim as Supercell's stance.
In addition, please feel free to reread my post. I think you missed the part where it says "So, by your logic, any raiding or stealing of resources whatsoever constitutes resource exchange..." No where in my post does it say that I think that raiding with troops and using a spell are the same thing. I'm simply extrapolating your argument since you are doing the same with our decision on the exchange of resources.
So thanks, yes. I now have all the facts, and still stick to my two originals reasons for writing the post, which you seem to have missed:
1) The logic of your argument for making changes to the spell was flawed.
2) You were attempting to represent/claim you spoke for the views of Supercell to the rest of the community, which we'd prefer you didn't do.
Hope that satisfies you. I'm taking off for the day, so if you have any further questions, dont hesitate to reply. I'll be back in the morning to discuss!
Cheers,
Steve
I clearly addressed #1, and you didn't acknowledge any part of it... You basically just repeated what I have already replied to...Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
As for #2, I apologize if I'm putting words in your mouth, but if you take an unbiased look at his comment, and also consider that he is in a position to KNOW more about Supercell's intentions than any other poster, I'm fairly sure no one would take that post as his "opinion". Most people would take it as him having inside information and trying to tell us not to waste time complaining about something that he "knew" didn't have much chance of changing. If you took this as me speaking for Supercell, that was not my intention.. I simply thought he was speaking for you himself.
With the sneaky post out of the equation, can you please comment on how you feel my "logic is flawed" about why the spell does not need to be changed? The whole case I made concerning "investments" and "risk/reward" etc is what I'm most interested in hearing your response to, because I truthfully see no flaw in the logic.
1) I'll admit that I crafted my response before the subsequent discussion and hit send before reading it. Today was a busy day. Therefore, I was only going off your argument that compared a lightning spell to a form or resource exchange, during which, you made no points about the risk/reward or investments. I understand the risk involved in using troops to attack v. a one and done lightning spell. Thanks for "enlightening" (couldn't resist) me and have a lovely evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
2) Apology accepted.
This part. It was edited.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
The spell having a 0% chance of any type of defense or failure is what clearly sets it apart from the raiding troops example you gave. There's no risk/reward, just reward. I also drew a comparison to the sticky you posted where you guys stated you would never put a building into the game that would have the sole purpose of resource exchange.
Haha you are quite welcome. I aim to please. Enjoy your evening.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperSteve[Supercell]
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Originally Posted by bsmittyau
I mostly agree with you, but I shall play devil's advocate. What lightning does is take up a slot in the spell queue. With lightning you are pretty much guaranteed to destroy one (maybe two) buildings. However, if you do so, you cannot use one of the other spells. Those other spells (I think we would all agree) take more "skill" to use, and can result in either a far more useful outcome than a mere lightning spell, or can end up being wasted. So, the lightning spell would be playing it safe. Low risk, low reward lightning vs a rage or healing spell being high risk, high reward. This is considering the attack wholisticly of course, if you are only after dark elixir, then lightning is the only thing you need.
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Originally Posted by Mendax
I see your point as well. I think where the imbalance comes into play on this spell is with it's ability to "farm" resources, dark elixir or otherwise. I completely agree with its function as a way to eliminate defenses or something along those lines.
Easy solution, aside from some type of defense against it... Adjust the spell so that it can deal damage to everything except resources.
Would you agree that this would probably make everyone happy with as little effort on Supercell's part as we could suggest? Lol
Bsmitty and Mendax
Enlightenin folks with them facts
When staff got involved
SC's image evolved
Love gettin actual feedback
Development forum? We need that!
As much as I'd like a vacation
All expenses paid
I'd settle for a good explanation
No excuses made
Couldnt help myself :P
If you are unable to end up on the winning side of something that is so "unfair", then consider your choices.
I know that anything I haven't spent when I log out is fair game. That's one of the main concepts behind the whole game. Resource management. You must manage your resources just like everyone else. There will be losses. Manage them.
They already nerfed the lighting vs. dark elixir by increasing the hit points of the dark elixir and lowering the loot percentage. I think it's enough, and borders on being too much.
You don't win when the noob can't loot you with lightning. You win when the noob spends three lighting spells to take out a dark elixir storage, and you spend three lightnings to take out a mortar and wizard tower instead and end up with 200k gold and elixir, trophies, and the same dark elixir. It's still a noobish tool in noob hands, yet a masterful tool in master hands.
It is what it is. Lightning is fun and shouldn't be nerfed any further.
They didn't lower the loot percentage, and the hit point change made very little difference.
Taking out a mortar on any decent base hardly makes it weak and unable to defend itself. It also hardly takes a master to dump lightning on a defensive structure.
I like Steve.
I do too.Quote:
Originally Posted by KAHN
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Im shocked he got involved lol...good for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Can we all agree to start calling the spell Shovel instead of Lightning? I figure it needs to accurately reflect what it is...farming tool :P
I understand your side of it Media...I just think it would be better for the game overall if there were some kind of counter in place for a portion of the damage as a compromise... would add another element of strategy to the game while fixing something that somewhat "cheapens" the experience. Do you ever use the spell to take resources or you just really aren't bothered by it when it happens to you? Are your dark elixir needs maxed out?
At last a quote from you I actually agree with. It should always be for cracking open a base and not for farming.Quote:
Originally Posted by bsmittyau
Another thought I had rehashing things that have been said, why not have it that lightening can only be released once a minimum of troops are released... Say 50% of your army is down on te ground... Then you are committed to an attack, resource grabbing would be ok then as you are actually raiding and not resource farming as you called.
I think some of the argument is getting mixed
Spells to grab DE
Spells to raid resources
Spells to take out defensive buildings
3 slightly differing arguments. I would use lightening on number 3
Jay
Just lost 1000 DE to spells! Nasty :(