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I was trading with someone and when I put my items up they were bought by an unknown person. I put the wheat up the person I had agreed with bought the wheat but then unknown guy intercepted the bolts. My question is do I alone share the loss of the bolts. I am sure some here have also experienced this and want to know the rule most abide by.
i have this problem too, apparently wheat 1 is known code as trading is currently on progress, some people also know this code and quietly waiting for the trade item and swoop in, if their internet connection is better they will get the item. the best way to minimize this kind of threat is to make sure your stall not have any adver item and put another code, like bacon and egg or egg.
me and my friend lost 10 duct tape because of this. can't blame anyone. lol
If its a follower delete him. If its a known friend try finding the person here or just move on :)Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzy
Thanks for the replies but still does not really answer my question. In situations like this shouldn't both parties share the loss equally. Can u imagine I bought first and when selling to them it got intercepted and the other party receives nothing. Don't see that as being fair. BTW I am only saying this cause the other party refused to share loss and my hands were tied considering I sold first.
The person buying first always has the upper hand and because I'm usually higher leveled, I get to go first. However, I'm always up for sharing losses. I think splitting down the losses in the middle is the fair thing to do if both sides did their best. However, if the hiccup occurred in their shop and it was because they had an advert running, that's 100% their fault and depending on my mood and what we were trading, I may or may not decide to share losses.
It's happened to me and as it was my follower I took the loss - and then deleted them.
Did you forget to remove the advertising tick? That's the most common mistake made, if you did forget, as it's your mistake you should definitely bare the cost of it.
oh, just realised it was their shop. Unless you took a long time to buy, they should have at least shared the cost I think. I suspect they left the tick on for the ad. Nothing you can do now, you can't name and shame, but I would delete them as a friend if I were you and not trade with them again.
That happened to me, I put one wheat in my last crate this was bought by my friend after agreeing to let her have 10 planks then I put 10 planks in the last crate, quick as lightening they were grabbed by some else, another friend.
I can only assume she must have read the post and waited for the wheat to be bought and as soon as I placed the planks she grabbed them before my first friend had a chance to buy them.
The strange thing was she deleted me as a friend before I had the chance to delete her!
It happened to me, in one of my first trades. It's always a risk when you trade with someone who has a lot of followers. You never know who might be lurking.
I think the guy I was trading with blamed me. He thought I ran out of space in my barn. Not true; I had plenty of space. I just did not see the 10 planks until someone else had grabbed them. (I think the problem is with the Hay Day server. I'm upstream of NYC, and sometimes Hay Day gets laggy, even though my Internet connection is rated A+ by Speedtest.net. Sometimes there's a traffic jam in the information superhighway between me and them.)
Anyway, he asked me to split the loss. I asked him for one more plank, just because I needed one more for the next expansion. He agreed. So I got 11 planks for 15 bolts, instead of the 20 for 20 I thought I was getting. He got 15 bolts for 21 planks. I guess he was okay with it, because we've traded again since.
It's only a game, and it's not worth creating bad feelings over. There will always be more planks and bolts. Even though sometimes it doesn't seem like it. ;-)
In your case it does sound like it was intentional. However, when I'm quickly cruising through all my friends shops I'm guilty of tapping on a crate before considering what position that crate is in. I've had to start reminding myself to slow down and make sure I'm not swiping someone's trade. I just wanted to point out that it can be unintentional, although no less frustrating.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterTEZ
If I'd already received my part of the deal, and then the other person's payment was intercepted, I would arrange to trade with them again a few hours later, and then give them the items they were supposed to get from my left over inventory.
If I didn't HAVE the items they were supposed to get then I would either (1) ask them to come up with an acceptable alternative, or (2) I would offer them back their original items. Again, I'd arrange to do this a few hours later.
If I was the first person to place an item and it was intercepted, I would explain that to my trade partner, and then reconsider based on my on inventory if I still wanted to trade or not.
BUT, in each of those situations, I don't feel like the farmer who was supposed to get the bolts is responsible for someone else taking them.
I'm astounded at how quickly all of you have imputed malicious intent to the person who bought the bolts. Not everyone is on the forums. You can't assume that everyone knows that wheat 1 means a trade is in progress. On the other hand ...
Here are the Supercell rules of the game: if you put something in the RSS, it's for sale, first come first serve. Supercell did not program in-game private trading. So you enter into an outside-the-game agreement, you proceed at your own risk, and assume all risks.
Risks include a new player or a non-forum player inadvertently buying the items. Risks also include a $&@k realizing there is a pending trade and coming in for the kill.
Games of all kinds involve risks, winners, and losers. When you take a risk, you can get burned. This is the nature of life, also. Don't waste your time looking for someone to blame or someone to kiss it and make it all better. Play or don't play. Your choice, in Hay Day as well as adult life.
I don't think we were assuming malicious intent. Except for the case of the person who grabbed the items, then immediately unfriended the stall's owner. Hard to see that as anything other than bad intentions.
I do my best to make sure there's no one around when I trade. I wait until any ads I've put up have been expired for awhile. Then I put up some tempting items that usually sell fast, like ice cream, cakes, and jewelry. To flush out any lurking followers.
Sometimes I see the ! pop up and think, dang it, there's a follower at my stall. Only to find out it's my trade partner, grabbing some goodies before the trade. ;)
You're right, though - there's no guarantee.
I can even see the scenerio where the unfrieding happened as a mistake and not intentional.
When I was a kid, if I had accidentally swiped someones trade and realized it right after, I might have removed the seller in a moment of embarrassment. I can easilly imagine my anxiety over committing this awful act and having to face the wrath of the adults in the forum. (Haha It's hard to believe I survived all my childhood fears.)
I wouldn't handle it that way now but some adults might. I'm not criticizing those adult. Just pointing out one of many reasons why it may look intentional when it may not have been.
Is that how it really happened? I doubt it. But beyond trying to reasonably replace the items for your trading partner, I personally wouldn't spend a lot of mental effort analyzing it. It's a great game but it's a game.
I'm way too busy standing on the porch in my long underwear running Greg and his crew off my land with a shotgun. ;-)
Since trading is unofficial to begin with, I don't believe there is a "rule" that most abide by. There is nothing in the forum member created guidelines of the trading threads to suggest a method folks can choose to follow should a trade go wrong. Perhaps there should be to make it easier on all involved when a trade is interrupted to have a guide on how to handle such an event.Quote:
Originally Posted by muzzy
However, in the absence of such an additional member created guideline, you can take the suggestions given below and personally make them part of your trade agreements before any future trades begins. Just like the item amount and selling cost, how the situation is to be handled should the trade get interrupted can be agreed upon in advance. Should a partner agree to to such terms in advance and then back out without a valid and unavoidable reason, well, that's part of the risk you take.
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Originally Posted by CheddarLimbo
On the point of offering to return the items, my personal opinion is to make the offer right away and, if the other person wants them back, to do so there and then, effectively "undoing" the one half of the trade that had already gone through.
So, with that, I'm afraid I have to close this thread now to prevent things from getting heated.