Matchmaking

I'm relative newbie (just progressed to TH 7)
But I'm getting rather frustrated by high level lurkers with much higher TH levels.
It is no fun if you get raided by PEKKA's or worse, while being completly without chance.
I don't mind being raided (and loose 200k of stuff) by a peer, obviously he is a better player. Being raided by someone who takes advantage of loopholes in the gamemechanics is far more frustrating.

So, since it is very simple to get your trophy count down, it is not very easy to disguise your real strenght when you take experience stars as the basis for matchmaking. The game doesn't penalize you for getting your trophies low (apart from division bonus, which are a joke). The game however does penalize you if you try to minimalize your experience.

imo this would make matchmaking better balanced, and would protect new players from the sharks.

I missed the part where you actually suggested an idea. Temporary bandaid fix, you can try dropping trophies yourself, otherwise be more activw.

The idea is to make experience stars leading for matchmaking, not trophies.

I have low trophy count myself, but even in the 950-1100 range TH 9 players are lurking.
They have no business there, other than destroying players that are no match for them.

It is no fun for the receiving end, but no challenge for the attacking player either.

If being paired against a experience minus 15 to plus 15 blue star player (this range is open for discussion), it would be more fair for both parties involved.
Also it would make the risk of being revenged a lot higher.

No. Here is why:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Clash-of-Clans

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Originally Posted by roemerboy22

The idea is to make experience stars leading for matchmaking, not trophies.

I have low trophy count myself, but even in the 950-1100 range TH 9 players are lurking.
They have no business there, other than destroying players that are no match for them.

It is no fun for the receiving end, but no challenge for the attacking player either.

If being paired against a experience minus 15 to plus 15 blue star player (this range is open for discussion), it would be more fair for both parties involved.
Also it would make the risk of being revenged a lot higher.

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What you've missed is that donating troops and completing achievements, as well as destroying THs and removing obstacles gives xp. The downside with your idea can be seen with extreme donators (earlier today thee was a TH7 who had dinged lvl100, jolly times if he's matched against level 85-115s, mainly TH9-10s. Also, prematurely upgraded bases usually have extremely low levels, so a premmie TH9 around level 45-50 would only be faced versus TH6-7s.

This, in combination with loot penalty, would make it impossible for him to progress, unless he donated his way up to level 60-70. There is already the loot penalty to protect you - if you, as a TH7, get raided by a TH9 he can at most take around 125/125k, and I never bother to do that unless the storages are outside the base or extremely poorly defended. It's just not worth it. Cups isn't perfect for matchmaking in all aspects, but as xp would be so much worse, I think cups are OK.

edit: thanks for linking that, dahimi. Tried to find it.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No. Here is why:

http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...Clash-of-Clans

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duh, take an example of some-one who plays normally...

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Originally Posted by Rastis

What you've missed is that donating troops and completing achievements, as well as destroying THs and removing obstacles gives xp. The downside with your idea can be seen with extreme donators (earlier today thee was a TH7 who had dinged lvl100, jolly times if he's matched against level 85-115s, mainly TH9-10s. Also, prematurely upgraded bases usually have extremely low levels, so a premmie TH9 around level 45-50 would only be faced versus TH6-7s.

This, in combination with loot penalty, would make it impossible for him to progress, unless he donated his way up to level 60-70. There is already the loot penalty to protect you - if you, as a TH7, get raided by a TH9 he can at most take around 125/125k, and I never bother to do that unless the storages are outside the base or extremely poorly defended. It's just not worth it. Cups isn't perfect for matchmaking in all aspects, but as xp would be so much worse, I think cups are OK.

edit: thanks for linking that, dahimi. Tried to find it.

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In every game extreme ways of playing gets into trouble, extreme donators, and also players that ugrade their TH to soon.
Loot protection? 250k loot ( 50k on troops) do not stop lots of TH 9 happy campers annilihating TH 7 (and I'm having 900 trophies) Exp. is imo a better way of someones strenght than cups

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Originally Posted by roemerboy22

In every game extreme ways of playing gets into trouble, extreme donators, and also players that ugrade their TH to soon.
Loot protection? 250k loot ( 50k on troops) do not stop lots of TH 9 happy campers annilihating TH 7 (and I'm having 900 trophies) Exp. is imo a better way of someones strenght than cups

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I take it you only fight TH7++ bases? No? Well, I guess that puts you in the same position as said TH9s.. If they really are picking on you, odds are that you either have a super weird layout or they are premmies who can't find loot elsewhere - if the second is the case, you should be able to revenge them.

This topic has been brought up before, and the general conclusion has always pointed out that xp is a poor way for matchmaking. Just because you have an idea you feel is great doesn't mean it's well thought through and right - even when people in this thread have pointed out flaws in your way of thinking, you persist and keep pushing it.

Indeed, loot penalty helps you greatly. If it wasn't there, the TH9s would hit you for 400/400. So would TH10s for that matter. You can easily make back the 125/125 in one (not very good) raid. From your first post: If you are getting hit by PEKKA armies and the like, I'm going to assume that you are being revenged? Since no one brews PEKKAs for farming armies, unless trophy pushing or revenging. One thing that always gets me in a full-out revenge mood, at least, is when someone zaps my DE - you didn't do that, I take it? Anyway, try a different trophy range, either up or down. Might help, good luck!

This is why I think each building and troop so have an "item level", every time you upgrade a troop or a building that troop or buildings "item level" goes up. matching should be based on your bases average "item level" so you would be attacking and getting attacked by people who's bases were within a certain "item level" of your own... This would level the playing field, people would get matched against bases of similar strength and troop level as their own.

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Originally Posted by roemerboy22

duh, take an example of some-one who plays normally...

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Who are you to say that one person is playing normally and the other is not? They aren't doing anything wrong.

You have to take the extreme cases into account. Noticing a particular issue with an idea and then simply dismissing it would be very poor game design. The game has millions of players. Any idea implemented into the game must consider all possible variables or measures must be taken to box people in so that they cannot break or manipulate the system.

The way the game is currently structured, experience cannot be used for the purposes of match making.