Am I the only one who feels like clash of clans is declining?

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Originally Posted by Growler

This game has keep my interest far longer than any other game has.

I don't expect them to tailor the game to suit my needs or expectations and when I have had enough I will simply pack up and leave.

What do people get out of moaning and whinging? Why do you feel the need to try and ruin other peoples enjoyment by trying to create bad atmosphere around the game? You have had a huge amount of enjoyment and entertainment for (mostly) minimal expense.

You should be grateful rather than resentful and behave as such.

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Wow it's funny how you make assumptions about peoples' intentions by stating they "feel the need to try and ruin other peoples enjoyment". People who give constructive feedback are the people who help improve the game can't you see? A world full of "yes men" who don't share their criticisms is a world lacking innovation. There's a reason why many companies frequently ask their customers to complete surveys and give feedback and believe me it's not just for the companies to hear how awesome they are.

As a fresh TH9 I feel then need to play much more... So my answer's no!

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Originally Posted by Ragequitter

Wow it's funny how you make assumptions about peoples' intentions by stating they "feel the need to try and ruin other peoples enjoyment". People who give constructive feedback are the people who help improve the game can't you see? A world full of "yes men" who don't share their criticisms is a world lacking innovation. There's a reason why many companies frequently ask their customers to complete surveys and give feedback and believe me it's not just for the companies to hear how awesome they are.

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Do you really think that the posts and threads he/she is talking about are constructive criticisms? ;"loot system su cks"; "fix it"; "walls are too expensive"; "(fill in the blank) is OP". People complain so much on here that chrisnasty had mods close all of his great threads. There is a warped sense of entitlement that drives the complaints expressed non-stop on here. If you dont see it, you might be part of the problem.

Here is what I think is happening, a lot of the older players are getting tired of it, or got tired of it so they log in less or even leave, while an influx of new players (since the android market is opened) is coming in. If anything I feel this game is getting even more popular with that new TV commercial. It's just a small group of the majority who THINK the game is dying. It's in every game lol. I am having a blast. I just maxed TH7 and I see new players WAYYYYYYYY more than I see older players in Global.

My two cents.

The people you are around in game is what makes it more fun than the actual game its self. If you have a friend in game or in everyday life it adds more challenges like who can donate the most, get the most cups without hemming faster etc. Of course everyone might quit at sometime but for the most part you might just need a change in location clan wise.

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Originally Posted by Brendan16

I'll be deleting the game.

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woohooo more non-actives!!! as you've seen before, make sure to leave ur mines out! thanks!

P.S: You probably wanted a serious answer but i'm tired of watching people accusing sc about "declining" or just whining for the loot changes.... so yea even though i could ignore this post i decided to remind you about your mines!!!

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Originally Posted by R3beLl

Oh nooo please don't delete the game you mean so much to SC!!! Please I beg you....



:rolleyes:

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Actually, now I'm begging you to quit :)

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Originally Posted by Nate8it

Do you really think that the posts and threads he/she is talking about are constructive criticisms? ;"loot system su cks"; "fix it"; "walls are too expensive"; "(fill in the blank) is OP". People complain so much on here that chrisnasty had mods close all of his great threads. There is a warped sense of entitlement that drives the complaints expressed non-stop on here. If you dont see it, you might be part of the problem.

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Hopefully Supercell will take the 2 cents from the OP along with the thousands of other people who feel the same way and see that it adds up to real $$$ which will drive beneficial improvements to the game. Trolling a thread by speculating on the OP's reason for complaining, instead of joining in the original argument, will bring no positive change to the game whatsoever.

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Originally Posted by Ragequitter

Wow it's funny how you make assumptions about peoples' intentions by stating they "feel the need to try and ruin other peoples enjoyment". People who give constructive feedback are the people who help improve the game can't you see? A world full of "yes men" who don't share their criticisms is a world lacking innovation. There's a reason why many companies frequently ask their customers to complete surveys and give feedback and believe me it's not just for the companies to hear how awesome they are.

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Everyone loves having their pastime compared to cancer, having navel gazers stating that it is in decline, how it is broken, boring, repetitive and that other games are better.

Everyone is receptive to constructive criticism or ideas on how to improve things, but never ending crybabies telling everyone that will listen that they only log in to collect resource and how bored they are with the game can take a running jump as far as I am concerned.

Don't lecture me on yes men, ask the mods with their infractions whether I am a yes man.

The overwhelming sense of entitlement on here from people that spend next to no money is laughable. If the game really is as ♥♥♥♥ as you make out just log out and do something else. I have noticed that the biggest moaners do seem to have a captive audience and will claim that validates their bleating. I beg to differ it just show what a group of crybabies this forum has attracted lately. I talk to many people that love the game but steer well clear of this place.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Everyone loves having their pastime compared to cancer, having navel gazers stating that it is in decline, how it is broken and that other games are better.

Everyone is receptive to constructive criticism or ideas on how to improve things, but never ending crybabies telling everyone that will listen that they only log in to collect resource and how bored they are with the game can take a running jump as far as I am concerned.

Don't lecture me on yes men, ask the mods with their infractions whether I am a yes man.

The overwhelming sense of entitlement on here from people that spend next to no money is laughable. If the game really is as ♥♥♥♥ as you make out just log out and do something else. I have noticed that the biggest moaners do seem to have a captive audience and will claim that validates their bleating. I beg to differ it just show what a group of crybabies this forum has attracted lately. I talk to many people that love the game but steer well clear of this place.

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As with any game or sport there will be hecklers and although they might seem barbaric and dimwitted in their remarks, collectively they do have a voice. Obnoxious shouting and booing in a audience of people still drives a point home regardless of individual merits. Not everyone is a poet. I still love the game but have to agree the exponentially increasing grind this game requires has it's downfalls and something like daily rewards would be a breath of fresh air.

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Originally Posted by Ragequitter

As with any game or sport there will be hecklers and although they might seem barbaric and dimwitted in their remarks, collectively they do have a voice. Obnoxious shouting and booing in a audience of people still drives a point home regardless of individual merits. Not everyone is a poet. I still love the game but have to agree the exponentially increasing grind this game requires has it's downfalls and something like daily rewards would be a breath of fresh air.

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If you comparing whiners to those who boo n jeer at their team, then i agree with you. Yes they are annoying, and i prefer that they don't exist.

The world would be a much better place if everyone is educated and can debate their point of views eloquently. Until then, those barbarians need to be put in their rightful place, where no one can hear their useless rants.

Yep this game has taken a turn for the worse.

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Originally Posted by Growler

Someone who enjoys the game should leave as opposed to those that don't? Have you really thought this through?

Nothing I am saying is decreasing the enjoyment anyone is getting out of the game, but the professional tantrum throwers seem to delight in talking it down and airing their irrelevant grievances. I imagine they believe they have stumbled across some truth, but there has been a steady trickle of navel gazers having their little moans for over half a year.

If I don't enjoy something I avoid doing it, believe it or not I learned that lesson as a toddler. I am simply helping those that don't seem to understand that concept.

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Funny you feel the need to tell people that if they don't enjoy something not to do it. Simple. Simple enough for a toddler. As in something to tell a child.

As for some of us...there is adult themes and adult things to do. Many, many adults, i would even posit to say the vast majority of adults...don't even behave as adults most of the time. One of those things that some adults do, is not succumb to apathy. As in, if something isn't right, they do something to fix it. What sounds like complaining, is actually people voicing opinions in support of others with the same opinion. Somewhat like people filling out petitions to start a recall election. One complaint isn't going to do it. You get some soup that tastes like ♥♥♥♥ in a restaurant, many adults won't complain. Some will. A restauarant that consistently puts out bad food won't get the message until multiple people complain. One complaint won't do it. A neighborhood has a punk a$$ teenager that drives 65mph up the residential street. 75% of the ADULTS that live on that street won't say diddly to nobody. A select few will call the cops. One or two might actually stop the car for a little wall to wall counseling. But one complaint won't get anything done.

These are the things you may or may not learn as an adult. That is to say, there are some people that shape the world around them, and there are some that are just along for the ride to maintain the status quo. Sorry to say, we all learned as a child that we don't have to do anything we don't want to. Only some of us go beyond that.

One complaint about the loot system in the update sticky isn't going to get supercell's attention. 1000s of people saying the update sucks might get some attention. So every thread where this theme comes up, people will complain; and some people COMPLAIN about the COMPLAINERS voicing their opinions; the status quo maintainers to be honest are the only people that are sharing a worthless opinion...the opinion that noone else can have an opinion contrary to theirs or they will get their character assassinated.

Funny thing is that people that threaten to quit actually still have a valued interest in improving the game. The people that actually do quit...you will never know or hear of when they leave. They are already gone, and they DGAF about supercell, this forum, the game in any way. From a customer service perspective, the opinions of people that are threatening to take away their business, right or wrong, the perception of their opinions is an extremely valuable piece of information to listen to. It doesn't matter if the opinion is right or wrong; the perception of those customers is all that matters. A business that ignores these opinions is foolish...and the road to success as a business is littered with companies that have and continue to do foolish business practices.

Salute to all of premature th 10
Especially the one with 3xbow and 2 inferno

it's my first month playing th 10 and i could not progress my expensive update
no rich target
so much player attack my collector
so much trap maintenance cost each day
and wasting 30 minutes and 200k++ gold just to find 1 good target

And yeah iquit
i'm an adult and wasting my 200k and 20 minutes to find some good target without multi inferno is so hardcore

goodbye coc, thank you

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Funny you feel the need to tell people that if they don't enjoy something not to do it. Simple. Simple enough for a toddler. As in something to tell a child.

As for some of us...there is adult themes and adult things to do. Many, many adults, i would even posit to say the vast majority of adults...don't even behave as adults most of the time. One of those things that some adults do, is not succumb to apathy. As in, if something isn't right, they do something to fix it. What sounds like complaining, is actually people voicing opinions in support of others with the same opinion. Somewhat like people filling out petitions to start a recall election. One complaint isn't going to do it. You get some soup that tastes like ♥♥♥♥ in a restaurant, many adults won't complain. Some will. A restauarant that consistently puts out bad food won't get the message until multiple people complain. One complaint won't do it. A neighborhood has a punk a$$ teenager that drives 65mph up the residential street. 75% of the ADULTS that live on that street won't say diddly to nobody. A select few will call the cops. One or two might actually stop the car for a little wall to wall counseling. But one complaint won't get anything done.

These are the things you may or may not learn as an adult. That is to say, there are some people that shape the world around them, and there are some that are just along for the ride to maintain the status quo. Sorry to say, we all learned as a child that we don't have to do anything we don't want to. Only some of us go beyond that.

One complaint about the loot system in the update sticky isn't going to get supercell's attention. 1000s of people saying the update sucks might get some attention. So every thread where this theme comes up, people will complain; and some people COMPLAIN about the COMPLAINERS voicing their opinions; the status quo maintainers to be honest are the only people that are sharing a worthless opinion...the opinion that noone else can have an opinion contrary to theirs or they will get their character assassinated.

Funny thing is that people that threaten to quit actually still have a valued interest in improving the game. The people that actually do quit...you will never know or hear of when they leave. They are already gone, and they DGAF about supercell, this forum, the game in any way. From a customer service perspective, the opinions of people that are threatening to take away their business, right or wrong, the perception of their opinions is an extremely valuable piece of information to listen to. It doesn't matter if the opinion is right or wrong; the perception of those customers is all that matters. A business that ignores these opinions is foolish...and the road to success as a business is littered with companies that have and continue to do foolish business practices.

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I struggled through that whilst filtering out the white noise. You really are trying far too hard.

Ignoring the numerous straw man arguments, spelling mistakes, poor grammar and misused words, it seems you value people whinging about repetition in a video game, threats to quit, mentions of cancer, and announcements to the world of upcoming deletion of their app unless their demands are met in the very near future.

Each to their own I guess. I will continue to voice my opinion on those that believe that their particular gripe deserves it's own thread on here, while you can continue to chunter on and defend those that moan for the sake of moaning.

Still you can always try to effect change by stating 'Yep this game has taken a turn for the worse', that's the way to go about changing the world.

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Originally Posted by Salvanost

Salute to all of premature th 10
Especially the one with 3xbow and 2 inferno

it's my first month playing th 10 and i could not progress my expensive update
no rich target
so much player attack my collector
so much trap maintenance cost each day
and wasting 30 minutes and 200k++ gold just to find 1 good target

And yeah iquit
i'm an adult and wasting my 200k and 20 minutes to find some good target without multi inferno is so hardcore

goodbye coc, thank you

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Would you like some advice instead? I don't know, farming army? Farming range? Base design? Attacking strategy?

Instead of quitting, how about trying to improve your game?

I totally understand the OP. I do believe SC needs to add more game content, perhaps make troops, defences and heroes more customisable to freshen up the game. The basic principle of the game has not changed since it started, perhaps if SC does not give more depth to this game they will lose their long term customers. Any business knows that they must keep both long term customers and promote new ones to have a flourishing product. Other copy cat games have incorporated the ideas given freely in his forum to improve their gameplay, why has SC not incorporated some of them??

For the first time I have a sleeping builder. Not from lack of trying but from lack of loot. For the first time since I started playing I took my game center money and didnt buy gems, I spent the 100.00 bucks on cocs competition. My clan has began playing the competitions game as well. We log to collect from collectors. Badgless clans are in every global I see. Donations down to all time lows. Silent globals. No good clans in global any more either for some reason. Hitting next for hours and hours in any trophy level for little to no loot. No answers from sc at all for the pages upon pages of complaints...... crickets......
Unexplained builder lags add time that you can "buy" the fix for. Super troops released to inspire purchase, only to be nerfed after they have been bought by most. Over hyped updates leave familar bad taste in mouth. Good suggestions go unheard, unheeded.
Horribly over powered inferno towers make even premmie th10s close to impregnable fortresses to even the most hardy, well trained th9.
An out of control global chat ran by nitwits that allow harrasment but ban out of jealousy or any petty reason that the mob fancies that moment.
A pointless trophy system that is meaningless in almost every way.
Typical responses from typical forumers telling us we suck, learn to adapt or leave your collectors out. Complaints, constructive critism and even begging supercell for change held in contempt, hate for wanting whats best for the game.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Instead of quitting, how about trying to improve your game?

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Active players just take loot out of the system, let them go.

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Originally Posted by AgingBlitzer

Active players just take loot out of the system, let them go.

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I'm actually a helpful person, i'll help if i can.

It's such a shame that 80% of those who opened threads about quitting never even posted on any strategy threads before. They assume they know everything about the game, refuse to share details on their base and attacking strategy, don't remember exactly how long their drought had been going on. When they hit a wall, they just quit.

Is seeking help so difficult? It puzzles me.

I think that the upcoming update is going to change the view of this game, I have heard some news about the update coming in 2 weeks!

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Is seeking help so difficult? It puzzles me.

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Apparently. Some people don't like to admit something could be their fault.

1 Gem/1 Day boosts for everything, permanently....

SC makes more money, more loot is in the collectors/storages...

People are raiding more because boosting barracks/spells keeps you logged in.....

Everyone is happy.....

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Originally Posted by JahSonora

1 Gem/1 Day boosts for everything, permanently....

SC makes more money, more loot is in the collectors/storages...

People are raiding more because boosting barracks/spells keeps you logged in.....

Everyone is happy.....

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Hope you're joking.

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Originally Posted by JahSonora

1 Gem/1 Day boosts for everything, permanently....

SC makes more money, more loot is in the collectors/storages...

People are raiding more because boosting barracks/spells keeps you logged in.....

Everyone is happy.....

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I've been rearming enough traps tanx to constant hoggings. So thanks but no thanks.

No need for you to have hope....I;m not joking.....

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

I'm actually a helpful person, i'll help if i can.

It's such a shame that 80% of those who opened threads about quitting never even posted on any strategy threads before. They assume they know everything about the game, refuse to share details on their base and attacking strategy, don't remember exactly how long their drought had been going on. When they hit a wall, they just quit.

Is seeking help so difficult? It puzzles me.

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Salvanost was TH10. I assume that s/he already knew how to play the game.

And, frankly, it doesn't matter whether s/he could have been "saved" by your advice. SuperCell made an update that is driving its customers away; it's not up to the customers to suck up and deal, it's up to SuperCell to attract and keep their customers. That's how business works.

The much-maligned "whingers" here on the forums are trying to help SuperCell improve a game we all love by letting them know what is and isn't working for them. Why is that so problematic? Even if you disagree with them, you should at least respect their motives. It's certainly far better than all the people who quit without ever giving SuperCell any feedback.

This is what I posted on another thread, thought it would fit in here as well:

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Originally Posted by Metten98

I'm having the exact same problem, but I already have it way longer. I started playing in september 2012 and I'm TH8 now. Now you could think: "what is he doing wrong" or "is he really so inactive?" None of them is true, but in the beginning I only went for trophies. I didn't start farming before May 2013, and I started farming because I couldn't get any further with upgrades.

However, when I had farmed for about 1 month I started to get really bored of it. Tbh, I missed the fun of trophy hunting, but I didn't want to trophy hunt due to not being able to upgrade. Since I got bored, I only logged on twice a day to get my recourses and donate troops, but I didn't attack. In November however, I realized I had to attack to get further, so since then I preform 2-5 attacks a day, getting me one upgrade every 2-3 days. I'm to bored of the game to attack more, but to get less bored I have to trophy push. Problem is, when I trophy push I don't earn enough to get the money to protect my base with better defences and that makes me go back to farming. It's pretty much like an infinite paradox, and I don't see a way to get out of it.


So plz SC, do something game-changing so:
1) Farming becomes less boring, or
2) Trophy pushing will make us earn more
Either one will make gameplay much better, as if making money won't be boring anymore


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Up to and including TH7 the game is brilliant, you just can't stop playing - there is a "joie de vivre" about it!


After that, all the fun gets completely sucked out of the game as you spiral into a vortex of endles raids/upgrades, with each subsequent upgrade costing more and taking longer. Rinse/repeat until TH10 and now some peeps are calling for TH11 - for the love of all things good and fun, please give us some game content!

This pretty much explains what happened after I decided to start farming (which was at a premmie TH8 (I skipped most of TH7))

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

Salvanost was TH10. I assume that s/he already knew how to play the game.

And, frankly, it doesn't matter whether s/he could have been "saved" by your advice. SuperCell made an update that is driving its customers away; it's not up to the customers to suck up and deal, it's up to SuperCell to attract and keep their customers. That's how business works.

The much-maligned "whingers" here on the forums are trying to help SuperCell improve a game we all love by letting them know what is and isn't working for them. Why is that so problematic? Even if you disagree with them, you should at least respect their motives. It's certainly far better than all the people who quit without ever giving SuperCell any feedback.

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TH10s don't need advices? My my, how do i even begin? I know! I shall not begin. I'll just let it echo until you realize how dumb that sounds.

The problem is that the new loot system is working for some, and not for others. So, is it wrong for those who figured out how to play around this new update to teach those who have yet to figure out? Or should we just sit here, refusing to change our style of playing, and demand that SC return everything to as it was previously?

Whining about their problems with one liners is NOT helping SC. Any feedback is good feedback? I don't think so.

Player A quits.
Player B posts "loot sux!!!11114256!!", then quits.

Yea you might treat them differently, i don't.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

TH10s don't need advices? My my, how do i even begin? I know! I shall not begin. I'll just let it echo until you realize how dumb that sounds.

The problem is that the new loot system is working for some, and not for others. So, is it wrong for those who figured out how to play around this new update to teach those who have yet to figure out? Or should we just sit here, refusing to change our style of playing, and demand that SC return everything to as it was previously?

Whining about their problems with one liners is NOT helping SC. Any feedback is good feedback? I don't think so.

Player A quits.
Player B posts "loot sux!!!11114256!!", then quits.

Yea you might treat them differently, i don't.

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Lots of us like sandal hat have adapted to the new loot paradigm.... Maybe I will create a post to help those who are still suffering. I hate to see these forums turned into a mob mentality riot against a loot system that in my opinion was positive for the game. Sure it might need some tweaks, but overall, its a better system. Problem is, I cant tell if the complaints are just coming from a vocal minority or if that high percentage of players are really struggling so bad?

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

TH10s don't need advices? My my, how do i even begin? I know! I shall not begin. I'll just let it echo until you realize how dumb that sounds.

The problem is that the new loot system is working for some, and not for others. So, is it wrong for those who figured out how to play around this new update to teach those who have yet to figure out? Or should we just sit here, refusing to change our style of playing, and demand that SC return everything to as it was previously?

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Calling my comments dumb does nothing to further the conversation, so why bother?

The problem with the new loot system is that it's only working for the people who are using tier 1 armies to farm collectors and the occasional storage (which is usually empty anyway). The mere fact that you have something to teach implies that there is essentially only one way to get ahead now, when this game used to accommodate a huge variety of playing styles. What a godawful waste of an awesome game.

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Originally Posted by NateH

Lots of us like sandal hat have adapted to the new loot paradigm.... Maybe I will create a post to help those who are still suffering. I hate to see these forums turned into a mob mentality riot against a loot system that in my opinion was positive for the game. Sure it might need some tweaks, but overall, its a better system. Problem is, I cant tell if the complaints are just coming from a vocal minority or if that high percentage of players are really struggling so bad?

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Please do start a thread on adapting to the new loot system. That would be a positive approach.

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Originally Posted by NateH

Lots of us like sandal hat have adapted to the new loot paradigm.... Maybe I will create a post to help those who are still suffering. I hate to see these forums turned into a mob mentality riot against a loot system that in my opinion was positive for the game. Sure it might need some tweaks, but overall, its a better system. Problem is, I cant tell if the complaints are just coming from a vocal minority or if that high percentage of players are really struggling so bad?

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Maybe just accept that there are different opinions to what supercell is doing to the game, and be happy that you are not as negativly affected by it as others.. Doesn't mean that neighter the positive nor the negative comments are not vallid thoug, i think they both are to the individual players posting them.

For you and sandal, maybe you are in another place in the game or simply like a different playing style, so the update hasn't really affected you much (at leat not in a negative way).

For myself, there was a problem with both the loot and the game becoming repeatively booring even before the update.. Like having to click next 100+ times when pushing for trophies, and like never being able to combine economics with the gameplay that i would like to play (would like to be able to earn enough for my army cost + still be able to upgrade, without having to drop 1000's in trophies to pray on low th. For example)..

So for me, the game was allready bad with clicking next and missing loot before the update and for the last several updates i had been hoping it would finally get fixed and then instead they bring an update that makes it even worse..

Now loot is pretty much bad everywhere... Now clicking next 100+ times is not only when trophy hunting, but when farming aswell.. And now, due to new disco infernos i farm pretty much on low lvl. Th's only, because there is no reason/economy in farming th.10's with inferno now.. So for me, this update was just taking the game from bad to worse, making it much more tiresome and boring to play.. At least before you could hit some sweet loads of 6-900k gold once in a while, making that raid exiting.. Now all is just flattened out with every loot being between 100-300k, nothing exiting about that eigther. (now i actually often find myself logging off again, simply because clicking next sucks, and even finding a 200 k loot really isn't all that exiting when you need 5 of those for just the next piece of wall).

So telling me and others to just addapt.. As in limit our gameplay to farm low lvl. Th's at 1500-1800 cups for 100-200k gold each attack.. That will simply not do, as sure we could maybe farm 8 mill. A day, but for us it would be adapting from mindless boring to even more mindless and boring.. So we can propably adapt to do what you are doing, but don't really want to as this is just not the game for us, if we need to keep it fun and exiting.

So my guess is.. If you wheren't that affected before the update, you propably can or will adapt now and be okay with the update, and that's good for you as you can enjoy the game still..

But for those of us that have been waiting the last many updates for supercell to step up and fix things, make the game more exiting again, etc.. Then this updates was simply a kick in the nutsack, nothing less.

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Annyways, some really vallid complaints and points in this tread.. One can only hope that supercell would bother to read it.

No its not the loot crisis is annoying but I'm sure SC will fix it

keep clashin

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Originally Posted by Clashofclansmaster1

No its not the loot crisis is annoying but I'm sure SC will fix it

keep clashin

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For the last 4-5 updates i was sure that now SC would surely upgrade those long overdue mines.. And look what happened.. Lol

So even if it seems obvious that they will fix it, unfortunatly i'm not as optimistic as you about it actually happening :-/

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Originally Posted by Growler

I struggled through that whilst filtering out the white noise. You really are trying far too hard.

Ignoring the numerous straw man arguments, spelling mistakes, poor grammar and misused words, it seems you value people whinging about repetition in a video game, threats to quit, mentions of cancer, and announcements to the world of upcoming deletion of their app unless their demands are met in the very near future.

Each to their own I guess. I will continue to voice my opinion on those that believe that their particular gripe deserves it's own thread on here, while you can continue to chunter on and defend those that moan for the sake of moaning.

Still you can always try to effect change by stating 'Yep this game has taken a turn for the worse', that's the way to go about changing the world.

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Bravo, your ad hominem attacks against archersm3 have once again proven to be hypocritical since you have multiple grammar mistakes and misused words throughout your post (a much shorter post, mind you). Also, it's ironic how you voiced your unrelated opinion on a thread you disagree with, which in turn brought much more attention to the thread than it would have gotten otherwise. Great way to promote this thread, happy bumping!

Clash of clans declining? Look what I've found yesterday during a raid:

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Though the answer is quite rude, it mirrors lively the current mood of most gamers, who are annoyed at the new loot system.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

If you comparing whiners to those who boo n jeer at their team, then i agree with you. Yes they are annoying, and i prefer that they don't exist.

The world would be a much better place if everyone is educated and can debate their point of views eloquently. Until then, those barbarians need to be put in their rightful place, where no one can hear their useless rants.

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Anyone who replies with their own complaints or counter argument is not a heckler, because that was the original purpose of this thread. Growler was actually the first whiner to arrive to this thread since he shifted the topic away from critiquing the game to criticizing the OP and his supporters for sharing their opinion. He never actually voiced his own opinion of why he disagreed with the OP's opinion and has given zero counter arguments except for calling OP a "whinger" (which imo is one of the lamest slang words I've ever heard). Growler is the true heckler and I agree with you, he needs to be put in his rightful place (perhaps a thread about how perfect this game is).

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

Calling my comments dumb does nothing to further the conversation, so why bother?

The problem with the new loot system is that it's only working for the people who are using tier 1 armies to farm collectors and the occasional storage (which is usually empty anyway). The mere fact that you have something to teach implies that there is essentially only one way to get ahead now, when this game used to accommodate a huge variety of playing styles. What a godawful waste of an awesome game.

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Having something to teach means there's only one way to do it? How do you jump into these conclusions?

The game still allows for variety of play styles, my defense log shows attacks using barch, giants, wizards, balloons, basically any troop you can name.

Do not confuse playing with farming. Farming is about getting the most gold in the shortest time, seeing is how it consists of 2 superlatives, yes there is a single, most optimum way to farm, been this way after update, before update, and since day 1.

Posting experience about loot without substantial evidence like play time, army composition, etc serves no purpose. "I can't get good loot, nexted over 500 times!!", then someone will come along and say "nope i got 300k within 10 nexts 7 times in a row now". So where do we go from here?

The thing is, if you actually filter the whines and ignore those that doesn't add weight, you are maybe left with 7 posts. Hardly convincing.

I do believe that these example of whines should be ignored:
1) loot sucks why no clan wars?
2) loot sucks i'm gonna play Sakura Serpents!
3) loot sucks i used to farm 300k per raid now i can't find anything more than 150k!
4) loot sucks i hit next 500 times, SC please fix this!
5) loot sucks please fix!

Whines that don't have explanation should not be taken seriously, no matter how many. Or else SC will have to listen to every FB comments and implement ideas posted there.

Do yourself a favor, read through this thread and quote all the complaints that you think needs to be addressed, and can be addressed based on the post alone.

The game isn't as fun as before, i somehow can't see how the game will survive with another townhall lvl? More defense? Because it isnt enough already? Or more storages? Because the walls cost 4 mil(its easy i know). We need a bigger area for placing all stuff? SC need to think twice..before releasing a update.

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Originally Posted by Theriddler93

The game isn't as fun as before, i somehow can't see how the game will survive with another townhall lvl? More defense? Because it isnt enough already? Or more storages? Because the walls cost 4 mil(its easy i know). We need a bigger area for placing all stuff? SC need to think twice..before releasing a update.

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What this game needs is something that's unlocked at TH7 or 8. All these new buildings are focussed TH10. :eek:

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Originally Posted by chummer1010

What this game needs is something that's unlocked at TH7 or 8. All these new buildings are focussed TH10. :eek:

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So you should get moving to 'unlock' the new buildings

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Originally Posted by chummer1010

What this game needs is something that's unlocked at TH7 or 8. All these new buildings are focussed TH10. :eek:

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Every update TH7s and TH8s get something new, they get TH9 and TH10 introduced to them!

That's like a HUGE update for them! All they need to do is upgrade their TH, and voila, new stuff unlocked.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

The thing is, if you actually filter the whines and ignore those that doesn't add weight, you are maybe left with 7 posts. Hardly convincing.

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This various threads on the update constitute thousands of posts, the vast majority of which are unfavorable of the loot system, but you think they should all be ignored because ... ???

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Do yourself a favor, read through this thread and quote all the complaints that you think needs to be addressed, and can be addressed based on the post alone.

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Most of the posts say "the loot sucks", which definitely needs to be addressed. It's not our responsibility to tell SC how to fix their game (any more than it's my job to tell a chef to add cumin if the soup is bland). Nonetheless, numerous suggestions have been made in the forums since the update, but there is no evidence that SC is paying attention. Frankly, that right there is the best argument for us all just shutting up already and moving on to another game.

There are no games that last forever without ever "declining", even the most successful ones will have some sort of "declining" period at some point before new features are added. It all matters to users, as the developers are humans too. continue playing if you like it, or just call it quits if you don't. Death of a cell(you) has no effect on the Supercell(body) and quickly replaced. =x

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

This various threads on the update constitute thousands of posts, the vast majority of which are unfavorable of the loot system, but you think they should all be ignored because ... ???



Most of the posts say "the loot sucks", which definitely needs to be addressed. It's not our responsibility to tell SC how to fix their game (any more than it's my job to tell a chef to add cumin if the soup is bland). Nonetheless, numerous suggestions have been made in the forums since the update, but there is no evidence that SC is paying attention. Frankly, that right there is the best argument for us all just shutting up already and moving on to another game.

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Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else, VS a single well written post on how a person is able to find good loot, i'd think that the loot is fine.

Yes suggestions had been made, and i do believe SC sees those suggestion, i'll leave it to them to decide. SC reads suggestions, but they should not waste their time to explain why they are not implementing every single one of them.

If you want to help the game, post a well thought out post on how you are suffering. Only when these type of well thought out loot problem posts contribute to the majority of post will i agree that it needs fixing.

Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When asked why, they just say "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Yet, they come back every single day, saying nothing more than "this food sucks"

Very constructive.

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Originally Posted by Theriddler93

The game isn't as fun as before, i somehow can't see how the game will survive with another townhall lvl? More defense? Because it isnt enough already? Or more storages? Because the walls cost 4 mil(its easy i know). We need a bigger area for placing all stuff? SC need to think twice..before releasing a update.

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I believe CoC was originally planned to end at TH9, and TH10 was the furthest SC could go using the same 'longer, more expensive upgrades' algorithm.

Seeing the recent responses from SC (i.e. non-existent?), it appears that some of the posters above may have found the answer --- that CoC is unsustainable for veteran players who have ventured beyond TH8, and the best bet may be to leave the game as it is since there will always be a constant influx of new players which will maintain CoC's Top Grossing App position. SC is probably betting on their next new game(s) (Boom Beach is still constantly being updated and remained as an Open Beta in Canada despite it already been there for months, unlike their previous practice of '1-month beta before releasing to global') to follow CoC's footsteps.

Frankly, more could still be done to CoC to keep the game alive, such as allowing customisation of the Heroes (like skill trees etc so that each of our Heroes can be unique), besides the other things already mentioned by many. Personally, I am not having much optimism on the upcoming updates any more and feel that CoC is already more or less an abandoned child which continues to act as a milking cow for SC's future projects.

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Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else

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"“The biggest thing with a live game is that it’s important to keep the game running, keep the players happy and listen to them a lot more,” says Lassi Leppinen, a Supercell co-founder and product lead for Clash Of Clans. “We try to summarise what is important and what the big audience is really saying about us and to us. If there’s something that thousands of players are saying, we listen and improve the game."

http://www.edge-online.com/features/...success-story/
published Jan 9 2014
Bold italics mine.

Let's hope they're listening.

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

"“The biggest thing with a live game is that it’s important to keep the game running, keep the players happy and listen to them a lot more,” says Lassi Leppinen, a Supercell co-founder and product lead for Clash Of Clans. “We try to summarise what is important and what the big audience is really saying about us and to us. If there’s something that thousands of players are saying, we listen and improve the game."

http://www.edge-online.com/features/...success-story/
published Jan 9 2014
Bold italics mine.

Let's hope they're listening.

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Very small % on the forums, have seen many positive posts about loot update and many negative which means a mixed review, they therefore have to do nothing

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

"“The biggest thing with a live game is that it’s important to keep the game running, keep the players happy and listen to them a lot more,” says Lassi Leppinen, a Supercell co-founder and product lead for Clash Of Clans. “We try to summarise what is important and what the big audience is really saying about us and to us. If there’s something that thousands of players are saying, we listen and improve the game."

http://www.edge-online.com/features/...success-story/
published Jan 9 2014
Bold italics mine.

Let's hope they're listening.

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One thousand players is not a big audience, much less a few hundred incoherent ones in the feedback thread.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else, VS a single well written post on how a person is able to find good loot, i'd think that the loot is fine.

Yes suggestions had been made, and i do believe SC sees those suggestion, i'll leave it to them to decide. SC reads suggestions, but they should not waste their time to explain why they are not implementing every single one of them.

If you want to help the game, post a well thought out post on how you are suffering. Only when these type of well thought out loot problem posts contribute to the majority of post will i agree that it needs fixing.

Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When asked why, they just say "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Yet, they come back every single day, saying nothing more than "this food sucks"

Very constructive.

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Any feedback can be constructive with a large enough sample. Some feedback will help more than others but it's all useful. By your logic, polling a million people and asking them who they are voting for (or does the loot suck, yes or no?) would be useless since their answer doesn't explain why. Again, all feedback is constructive. Sure we could find out more if we ask people to write an essay about why they are voting for someone, but who has time to read all those essays? Presidents are elected by sheer voting numbers, it doesn't matter why people voted.

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

"“The biggest thing with a live game is that it’s important to keep the game running, keep the players happy and listen to them a lot more,” says Lassi Leppinen, a Supercell co-founder and product lead for Clash Of Clans. “We try to summarise what is important and what the big audience is really saying about us and to us. If there’s something that thousands of players are saying, we listen and improve the game."

http://www.edge-online.com/features/...success-story/
published Jan 9 2014
Bold italics mine.

Let's hope they're listening.

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Theres a thread just below that has the answer to that. They are listening.... They just arent hearing.

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Any feedback can be constructive with a large enough sample. Some feedback will help more than others but it's all useful. By your logic, polling a million people and asking them who they are voting for (or does the loot suck, yes or no?) would be useless since their answer doesn't explain why. Again, all feedback is constructive. Sure we could find out more if we ask people to write an essay about why they are voting for someone, but who has time to read all those essays? Presidents are elected by sheer voting numbers, it doesn't matter why people voted.

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This is not an election, and SC does not make updates or balance troops based on number of whiners. It may seem that way with the hog nerfs, bit i'd think that more thought had went into that.

Or else they would have just created a poll and look at the numbers without reading feedbacks.

Feedback thread is not for "i agree loot sucks +1" comments. Hence they should be ignored.

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SC does not make updates or balance troops based on number of whiners.

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According to their own founder and co-founder (see link above), that's *exactly* what they do, but you must be right because ... er ... because ... <mutters> ... er ... yeah!

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

According to their own founder and co-founder (see link above), that's *exactly* what they do, but you must be right because ... er ... because ... <mutters> ... er ... yeah!

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Whiners and proper feedback are different.

Whining is not proper feedback.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Whiners and proper feedback are different.

Whining is not proper feedback.

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Saying "I don't like the new loot system" is proper feedback, even if it's phrased "loot sucks". It doesn't take a dissertation to get the point across.

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

Saying "I don't like the new loot system" is proper feedback, even if it's phrased "loot sucks".

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And that ends our discussion. I'm gonna go enjoy the game now.

Have fun entertaining one liner complaints. ;)

One thing SC needs to realize is that a lot of casual players that used to rely on collector raids are hit hard by the recent updates. I personally am okay with SC's intention to promote storage raids despite of those occasional 50+ nexts. But those casual, collector raiders are not.

The casuals, they don't go on this forums, even if they do, they could be too lazy to sign up an account just to voice their bad clashing experiences. Most players are not reasonable; they don't care; they do not look at things in an objective way; they don't have the ability to analyze the intricacies of game mechanics, things like 'if i put my wb here, which wall is it going to get'. They don't learn or improve their skills.

CoC started off as a game that is very easy to get started. You don't need to have a lot of hardcore game experience to pick up this game. The majority of CoC's player base is consist of people like this. They think this game is as easy as those block-eliminating candy rush-like games.

But what if this game is getting too hard/frustrating for them?
They start to log on less, and less, then delete the app.

The mass don't adapt like most of the forumers here do. The sad fact is, SC can either cater to them, or lose them.

Ikr loot has been ♥♥♥♥ recently, I gave up raiding 4 days ago and boosted all my mines.

How about I upgrade my town hall to level 10? I have enough GEMS.:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Growler

I struggled through that whilst filtering out the white noise. You really are trying far too hard.

Ignoring the numerous straw man arguments, spelling mistakes, poor grammar and misused words, it seems you value people whinging about repetition in a video game, threats to quit, mentions of cancer, and announcements to the world of upcoming deletion of their app unless their demands are met in the very near future.

Each to their own I guess. I will continue to voice my opinion on those that believe that their particular gripe deserves it's own thread on here, while you can continue to chunter on and defend those that moan for the sake of moaning.

Still you can always try to effect change by stating 'Yep this game has taken a turn for the worse', that's the way to go about changing the world.

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Yep because every sentence I make has to change the world. You don't listen to anything anyone says, all you hear is yourself talking. All I was doing is agreeing with what the OP said.

Funny how people that complain about GRAMMER always have their own GRAMHER Miss Steak in the very same posting.

Funny how you talk about straw man arguments and proceed directly into an ad hominem argument. Never mind your use of characterizing my argument as a straw man argument is completely inaccurate. Do you know what a straw man argument is? I didn't think so. Seems you have a penchant for misused words yourself.

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Originally Posted by NateH

Lots of us like sandal hat have adapted to the new loot paradigm.... Maybe I will create a post to help those who are still suffering. I hate to see these forums turned into a mob mentality riot against a loot system that in my opinion was positive for the game. Sure it might need some tweaks, but overall, its a better system. Problem is, I cant tell if the complaints are just coming from a vocal minority or if that high percentage of players are really struggling so bad?

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The reason you can't tell, is because all of you people that LOVE the update intimidate and bully anyone that makes a negative comment on the update without a doctoral dissertation and a new update qualification course completion certificate.

People without a big enough set of stones are unwilling to submit themselves to the insults and flame wars that erupt after a complaint is made. Lots and lots of people don't want that kind of forum experience.

Funny how the forum here has become so divisive and unfriendly.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else, VS a single well written post on how a person is able to find good loot, i'd think that the loot is fine.

Yes suggestions had been made, and i do believe SC sees those suggestion, i'll leave it to them to decide. SC reads suggestions, but they should not waste their time to explain why they are not implementing every single one of them.

If you want to help the game, post a well thought out post on how you are suffering. Only when these type of well thought out loot problem posts contribute to the majority of post will i agree that it needs fixing.

Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When asked why, they just say "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Yet, they come back every single day, saying nothing more than "this food sucks"

Very constructive.

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You ever watch the show Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey? Your arguments sound suspiciously like the owner/chef of many of these establishments that say "my food is great, the customers either don't complain or don't know what they're talking about. Now tell me why my business isn't making money, Gordon. Its probably because I'm not buying cheaper supplies"

You seem to think that the customers are obliged to keep coming back, and then further obliged to tell you how to make YOUR business better.

It goes back to one of my earlier posts which I'm sure you didn't read and won't bother to look up. As a business you will never hear a peep from the vast majority of the customers you already lost. If someone has a complaint but doesn't have 'constructive criticism' you should consider yourself lucky for getting the complaint at the very minimum.

SC has only one goal: maintain revenue by luring players to buy gems.

by the way I have a maxed TH8(everything including wall) and has bought some money. recently i quit the game and deleted it already. The reason is because I dont want to continue supporting a bunch of liars in SC.

When people complaine about tnot enough loot in the system to keep up with outragous cost of update at higher TH, what they did is just gave a ridiculous solution that does nothing to improve the economy, just how much more the poors now can rob from each other.

That was clear to me that their goal for the loot update is not to make loot better but to create an illusion of better loot and hope players are stupid enough to believe it. Bottom line is they want to protect their income from sales of resource, and it is a big part of their income. So often I see a base with maxed all lvl 11 walls lol, and that is thousands of USD spent.

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You ever watch the show Kitchen Nightmares with Gordon Ramsey? Your arguments sound suspiciously like the owner/chef of many of these establishments that say "my food is great, the customers either don't complain or don't know what they're talking about. Now tell me why my business isn't making money, Gordon. Its probably because I'm not buying cheaper supplies"

You seem to think that the customers are obliged to keep coming back, and then further obliged to tell you how to make YOUR business better.

It goes back to one of my earlier posts which I'm sure you didn't read and won't bother to look up. As a business you will never hear a peep from the vast majority of the customers you already lost. If someone has a complaint but doesn't have 'constructive criticism' you should consider yourself lucky for getting the complaint at the very minimum.

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All those people on Kitchen Nightmares are not making over 2m a day. You seem to think you're more than a vocal minority. If that were true, SC would do something. They have all of the statistics on loot and gem purchases, thus they have a much better picture of overall game health than a bunch of forum whiners.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

The reason you can't tell, is because all of you people that LOVE the update intimidate and bully anyone that makes a negative comment on the update without a doctoral dissertation and a new update qualification course completion certificate.

People without a big enough set of stones are unwilling to submit themselves to the insults and flame wars that erupt after a complaint is made. Lots and lots of people don't want that kind of forum experience.

Funny how the forum here has become so divisive and unfriendly.

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Ah anti intellectualism. That'll win arguments.

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Originally Posted by huyballack

SC has only one goal: maintain revenue by luring players to buy gems.

by the way I have a maxed TH8(everything including wall) and has bought some money. recently i quit the game and deleted it already. The reason is because I dont want to continue supporting a bunch of liars in SC.

When people complaine about tnot enough loot in the system to keep up with outragous cost of update at higher TH, what they did is just gave a ridiculous solution that does nothing to improve the economy, just how much more the poors now can rob from each other.

That was clear to me that their goal for the loot update is not to make loot better but to create an illusion of better loot and hope players are stupid enough to believe it. Bottom line is they want to protect their income from sales of resource, and it is a big part of their income. So often I see a base with maxed all lvl 11 walls lol, and that is thousands of USD spent.

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Seriously, "the illusion of better loot". Step back and actually listen to yourself.

Also, if you quit and deleted the game, why are you still here?

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Originally Posted by tankgirl

Saying "I don't like the new loot system" is proper feedback, even if it's phrased "loot sucks". It doesn't take a dissertation to get the point across.

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Unfortunately it does not, and especially if it's phrased "loot sucks".

If people think the loot has changed for them then they need to try and explain this fully, giving details. Only then would be considered feedback.

For example: players saying which trophy range they play in, how much they play, how much loot they make (before and after any changes in game).

Sadly little useless comments (like the ones you posted) do nothing to either help other players or the developers / owners.

It does seem game is going down the boring road,I raid a fair bit and it seems i find the same old aponents all the time,surely when you raid you it should switch servers ?.??.Just hitting same players for the same lack of resources is getting boring.

cheers
BegaBogan

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else, VS a single well written post on how a person is able to find good loot, i'd think that the loot is fine.

Yes suggestions had been made, and i do believe SC sees those suggestion, i'll leave it to them to decide. SC reads suggestions, but they should not waste their time to explain why they are not implementing every single one of them.

If you want to help the game, post a well thought out post on how you are suffering. Only when these type of well thought out loot problem posts contribute to the majority of post will i agree that it needs fixing.

Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When asked why, they just say "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Yet, they come back every single day, saying nothing more than "this food sucks"

Very constructive.

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Very good way to put it. If you don't like it move on. If you say SC is trying to rip us off and the game isn't fun anymore just delete the app and stop nagging about it on the forums!!!

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Originally Posted by Stitch

Unfortunately it does not, and especially if it's phrased "loot sucks".

If people think the loot has changed for them then they need to try and explain this fully, giving details. Only then would be considered feedback.

For example: players saying which trophy range they play in, how much they play, how much loot they make (before and after any changes in game).

Sadly little useless comments (like the ones you posted) do nothing to either help other players or the developers / owners.

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The developers don't need help. They have access to the databases and can compile far more statistics about things like how often people hit next, how much loot people have, how much loot is taken in each raid at a given trophy level, etc.

Saying loot sucks is meaningless. Describing in detail how loot sucks is meaningless. SC is the all seeing eye.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The developers don't need help. They have access to the databases and can compile far more statistics about things like how often people hit next, how much loot people have, how much loot is taken in each raid at a given trophy level, etc.

Saying loot sucks is meaningless. Describing in detail how loot sucks is meaningless. SC is the all seeing eye.

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So what you are saying is, all feedback is meaningless and the whole forum is meaningless? I agree.

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Originally Posted by OJM

So what you are saying is, all feedback is meaningless and the whole forum is meaningless? I agree.

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Lol this statement gave me a good laugh!!! oh and +2 on it lol.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The developers don't need help. They have access to the databases and can compile far more statistics about things like how often people hit next, how much loot people have, how much loot is taken in each raid at a given trophy level, etc.

Saying loot sucks is meaningless. Describing in detail how loot sucks is meaningless. SC is the all seeing eye.

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At times it makes me wonder how reliable that database is ;)

The thing is everyone plays this game differently and so it will never be perfect.

I don't think you should go around telling people NOT to provide feedback because SC already knows everything! Supercell only know 0 and 1s. Their database has absolutely zero comprehension of people's emotional bond with the game. For example how could they determine between someone that plays a little bit compared to someone that wants to play a lot more but is forced to play a little bit?

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

Yep, instead of voicing a concern and asking for a better experience, let just take it all up in our @♥♥, because, hey, SC is all for the customers right?

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Nope, but considering the information that SC has, what value do you think they place on constant loot complaints from a couple dozen out of millions of players? Especially if they can compile statistics that you cannot and they describe something completely different.

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So what you are saying is, all feedback is meaningless and the whole forum is meaningless? I agree.

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Don't believe I said that.

Every online game is repetative, thats why they hold on to you for so long... Eventually you will quit, to start over in a New repetative online game... Grinders 4 life... he he

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Originally Posted by Stitch

At times it makes me wonder how reliable that database is ;)

The thing is everyone plays this game differently and so it will never be perfect.

I don't think you should go around telling people NOT to provide feedback because SC already knows everything! Supercell only know 0 and 1s. Their database has absolutely zero comprehension of people's emotional bond with the game. For example how could they determine between someone that plays a little bit compared to someone that wants to play a lot more but is forced to play a little bit?

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Why on earth would you need to know how people feel, when you have statistics like:
Money spent
Hours spent
FB likes
# of downloads

You feed the positive by having advertisements and youtubers praising your product and silence the complaints by dumping it all here in the forums. Simple, effective and 0 caring needed. "Perfect" business model, don't ya think?

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Originally Posted by Stitch

At times it makes me wonder how reliable that database is ;)

The thing is everyone plays this game differently and so it will never be perfect.

I don't think you should go around telling people NOT to provide feedback because SC already knows everything! Supercell only know 0 and 1s. Their database has absolutely zero comprehension of people's emotional bond with the game. For example how could they determine between someone that plays a little bit compared to someone that wants to play a lot more but is forced to play a little bit?

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I didn't say all feedback was useless, I said specific complaints about loot were useless.

People can feel all sorts of nonsense even while the numbers disprove them. Feeling as though loot sucks, doesn't make it so. 1s and 0s are much better at accurately determining whether or not loot really does suck.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The developers don't need help. They have access to the databases and can compile far more statistics about things like how often people hit next, how much loot people have, how much loot is taken in each raid at a given trophy level, etc.

Saying loot sucks is meaningless. Describing in detail how loot sucks is meaningless. SC is the all seeing eye.

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If SC has all that data then why aren't they using it to improve the game ? Considering how many people are complaining about bad loot and how many times you have to hit next you would think that they would of come up with something more substantial by now with all that data. No reason for them to take so long to make changes.

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Originally Posted by OJM

So what you are saying is, all feedback is meaningless and the whole forum is meaningless? I agree.

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You've been here long enough to know that post update feedbacks are just a formality, especially when it comes from 1% of the gaming population.

SC's data tells them what they need to know, and if they think it's good, no amount of negative feedback here is gonna make them change their mind. Again, think 1%.

The feedback thread serves as s platform for discussion. Players discuss their experience there, and SC will give their input once in a while to shed some light on why things are the way they are. Not much room for discussion when all we see is "loot suck", right?

Discussion and expression of gaming experience post update, but all we see is whiners thinking that SC owes them 200k bases that can be taken down with barbarians every 20 skips.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

All those people on Kitchen Nightmares are not making over 2m a day. You seem to think you're more than a vocal minority. If that were true, SC would do something. They have all of the statistics on loot and gem purchases, thus they have a much better picture of overall game health than a bunch of forum whiners.

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You did not understand a word that was said if you think comparing you making 2m of game coin compares to anyone on kitchen nightmares.

The argument is about whether feedback is valid or not with or without an explanation. The argument was about somebody drawing up a restaurant analogy about consistently repeating customers.

Yes I do think that we are more than a vocal minority. If it was true SC may or may not do something. Your supposition that they would is fundamentally flawed, using the very analogy of the kitchen nightmares situation. Businesses are deluded and think they are smarter than their customers all the time.

You are correct in saying that SC has all the data. Their picture of overall game health may, or may not be, crystal clear. To think that their vision is clear would be to suppose that all businesses know everything about the health of their business, at all times, without customer input. THAT is fundamentally flawed thinking.

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You did not understand a word that was said if you think comparing you making 2m of game coin compares to anyone on kitchen nightmares.

The argument is about whether feedback is valid or not with or without an explanation. The argument was about somebody drawing up a restaurant analogy about consistently repeating customers.

Yes I do think that we are more than a vocal minority. If it was true SC may or may not do something. Your supposition that they would is fundamentally flawed, using the very analogy of the kitchen nightmares situation. Businesses are deluded and think they are smarter than their customers all the time.

You are correct in saying that SC has all the data. Their picture of overall game health may, or may not be, crystal clear. To think that their vision is clear would be to suppose that all businesses know everything about the health of their business, at all times, without customer input. THAT is fundamentally flawed thinking.

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With regards to loot it is not and that is the focal point of this particular discussion.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Ah anti intellectualism. That'll win arguments.

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Tell me how that was anti intellectualism. You have a problem with comprehension I think.

My post was about the fact that you, the pro update crowd, become verbally abusive when confronted with an opposing viewpoint. You refuse to hear it, attack people's character, and generally bury your head in the sand.

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With regards to loot it is not and that is the focal point of this particular discussion.

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What is not? Do you even read the posts that you quote?

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Originally Posted by nongemer

In my honest opinion, yeah clash is declineing. Out of the 50 people in my friends list on coc only 2 have league shields and I personally have stopped raiding, I only login to collect from collectors (though I still enjoy browsing the forum).

The decline has gone so far I'm not even sure clan wars or daily quest will revieve coc when it does come to a greater slow down.
Supercell better implement these features soon or they may miss the boat...if that boat hasn't already sailed away.

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+1000 ! Sooooo true.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You've been here long enough to know that post update feedbacks are just a formality, especially when it comes from 1% of the gaming population.

SC's data tells them what they need to know, and if they think it's good, no amount of negative feedback here is gonna make them change their mind. Again, think 1%.

The feedback thread serves as s platform for discussion. Players discuss their experience there, and SC will give their input once in a while to shed some light on why things are the way they are. Not much room for discussion when all we see is "loot suck", right?

Discussion and expression of gaming experience post update, but all we see is whiners thinking that SC owes them 200k bases that can be taken down with barbarians every 20 skips.

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Then what's the point of the "discussion" when one side will never change their view? Stop acting like there's no good post and no clear evidence about how people struggling with the new loot system.

But what response from SC side so far that actually help the situation? None.
What suggestion would you give to someone who have been changing trophy range & army composition constantly, yet still find the loot way inferior compared to pre-update? Yeah right, the good ol' "adapt like us or shut the hell up"

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What is not? Do you even read the posts that you quote?

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Allow me to elaborate. With regards to loot, the forum population IS a minority, out of millions of clashers.

I mean there are literally 50 players in 抢劫上帝, 100+ players from Ex family, etc etc who did not complain about the loot. If i go on, i'll be listing down thousands of players who are NOT having problem with loot post update.

So yea, whiners are a minority at this moment.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Two words, constructive feedback. That's what SC is looking for. If there are thousand of one liners saying "loot sucks" and nothing else, VS a single well written post on how a person is able to find good loot, i'd think that the loot is fine.

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So, there is one liners too saying "i love the update", " loot has never been better", "i find plenty of loot"... But per your logic, these don't count anything eighter then right ?

Thing is, if you take your time and write in detail why you don't like the update.. And see plenty others write good vallid points and constructive feedback.. But don't see any reply at all from supercell, then why bother wasting your time on long thought out posts if they wont even bother with a reply ?

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Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When asked why, they just say "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Yet, they come back every single day, saying nothing more than "this food sucks"

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well.. One big difference here.. Supercell do NOT as why.. Do they ?

So if your sentence above should fit to this scenario, it should actually be :
Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When restaurant owner hears this, he just disapears and never ask why, so he never finds out if they will reply that "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Or of they will actually be more detailed about the problem and help him in solving it.

Now that fits a bit better than the example you gave, don't you think ? ;-)

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Then what's the point of the "discussion" when one side will never change their view? Stop acting like there's no good post and no clear evidence about how people struggling with the new loot system.

But what response from SC side so far that actually help the situation? None.
What suggestion would you give to someone who have been changing trophy range & army composition constantly, yet still find the loot way inferior compared to pre-update? Yeah right, the good ol' "adapt like us or shut the hell up"

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One side who refuses to change their point of view? Yes, because you are soooo ready to accept the fact that loot is fine. :rolleyes:

Well, tell me your army composition and time left till your next builder and i'll suggest to you how to farm better.

Exactly what response do u want from SC, other than agreeing with you?

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

You've been here long enough to know that post update feedbacks are just a formality, especially when it comes from 1% of the gaming population.

SC's data tells them what they need to know, and if they think it's good, no amount of negative feedback here is gonna make them change their mind. Again, think 1%.

The feedback thread serves as s platform for discussion. Players discuss their experience there, and SC will give their input once in a while to shed some light on why things are the way they are. Not much room for discussion when all we see is "loot suck", right?

Discussion and expression of gaming experience post update, but all we see is whiners thinking that SC owes them 200k bases that can be taken down with barbarians every 20 skips.

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Like I said, meaningless.

Every well thought out feedback gets trolled by "you is wrong *screenshot*", regardless of "side" one has taken on any discussion. So why waste time for any kind of feedback, other than this'n'that sucks, when it all gets ignored anyway. Simple like/dislike on different parts of the update would provide far more accurate results. You know, the typical internet survey type of things. That'd also save so much time and effort from everyone involved in the game & forums.

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So, there is one liners too saying "i love the update", " loot has never been better", "i find plenty of loot"... But per your logic, these don't count anything eighter then right ?

Thing is, if you take your time and write in detail why you don't like the update.. And see plenty others write good vallid points and constructive feedback.. But don't see any reply at all from supercell, then why bother wasting your time on long thought out posts if they wont even bother with a reply ?



well.. One big difference here.. Supercell do NOT as why.. Do they ?

So if your sentence above should fit to this scenario, it should actually be :
Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When restaurant owner hears this, he just disapears and never ask why, so he never finds out if they will reply that "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Or of they will actually be more detailed about the problem and help him in solving it.

Now that fits a bit better than the example you gave, don't you think ? ;-)

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Yes those who say "thank you SC" and "loot is awesome" also don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. I agree.

You seem to have mistaken the feedback thread as a Q&A interactive session. Let me explain, it is like those suggestion boxes that you put your suggestions in, the interested party don't contact you personally, nor do they specifically answer every question.

SC interact with players as they see fit, and for you to demand an answer from them is naive.

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Originally Posted by OJM

Like I said, meaningless.

Every well thought out feedback gets trolled by "you is wrong *screenshot*", regardless of "side" one has taken on any discussion. So why waste time for any kind of feedback, other than this'n'that sucks, when it all gets ignored anyway. Simple like/dislike on different parts of the update would provide far more accurate results. You know, the typical internet survey type of things. That'd also save so much time and effort from everyone involved in the game & forums.

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I guess SC overestimated the literacy and the maturity of most of the forumers here.

Not really their fault, especially when there are people who actually believe that "loot sucks" is a form of constructive feedback LOL.

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So, there is one liners too saying "i love the update", " loot has never been better", "i find plenty of loot"... But per your logic, these don't count anything eighter then right ?

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I'd agree with that. However, the one difference is the positive posters don't expect more from SC. They sometimes expect more from the loot sucks crowd and in that sense, yeah their posts are equally as effective.

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Originally Posted by Jeezz

Thing is, if you take your time and write in detail why you don't like the update.. And see plenty others write good vallid points and constructive feedback.. But don't see any reply at all from supercell, then why bother wasting your time on long thought out posts if they wont even bother with a reply ?

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True, but Steve has already posted on it in the stickied thread. He says that loots appear better for most and that they are monitoring it closely along with saying they'd like to address certain issues like people hitting next a lot and maintenance inactive base loss. I think that is a fairly reasonable approach to the loot situation anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jeezz

So if your sentence above should fit to this scenario, it should actually be :
Do u have any idea how annoying it is as a restaurant owner to have the same bunch of customers come in day after day, order the same thing on the menu, and then complain it sucks? When restaurant owner hears this, he just disapears and never ask why, so he never finds out if they will reply that "it's your job to figure it out, i'm going to eat next door". Or of they will actually be more detailed about the problem and help him in solving it.

Now that fits a bit better than the example you gave, don't you think ? ;-)

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His point is that lots of people who are complaining are doing so because they are attempting to play exactly as they were before. They keep trying the same thing over and over and keep coming back with poor results. The loot is out there and it might be that people have to change their tactics to get it. The suggestion is before throwing your hands up in disgust try posting in tactics forum with screenshots of your base, descriptions of troop layouts, etc and ask some questions. Put in some effort to adapt to different tactics.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Allow me to elaborate. With regards to loot, the forum population IS a minority, out of millions of clashers.

I mean there are literally 50 players in 抢劫上帝, 100+ players from Ex family, etc etc who did not complain about the loot. If i go on, i'll be listing down thousands of players who are NOT having problem with loot post update.

So yea, whiners are a minority at this moment.

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Dude you quoted a question I had to Dahini about a miss-referenced quote and used it to change the nature of the discussion to something you said.

I agree that the forum population is a minority. Whether your group is equal to my group of people is insignificant. Our experiences are different and that has everything to do with it.

One of the points I made is that most of the people that are disgusted enough with the gameplay of clash of clans YOU will not even hear from. They will just go away. They will not put their storages outside. They will not join the forum to complain. They just stop playing. The app gets deleted. Collector town city (yay, more for us!). But overall, bad for SC. SC will not see these people necessarily as they are basking in the afterglow of currently increasing membership from both Android launch and commercial advertising campaigns. There will be some time before the new members/customers/players become aware of what is afoul in the gameplay.

You guys keep attacking the messengers in that those of us voicing complaints over loot, over OP/nerfed troops, over OVERALL GAME PLAY (this thread) are still committed enough to the game to help orchestrate such changes that will keep us playing the game. You are arguing with the people that still care about the game. Your attitude towards people that are trying to help, is the exact same feeling that you were getting when you were trying to offer playing advice to people that didn't ask for it and you felt snubbed. Exact same.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Yes those who say "thank you SC" and "loot is awesome" also don't add anything worthwhile to the discussion. I agree.

You seem to have mistaken the feedback thread as a Q&A interactive session. Let me explain, it is like those suggestion boxes that you put your suggestions in, the interested party don't contact you personally, nor do they specifically answer every question.

SC interact with players as they see fit, and for you to demand an answer from them is naive.

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Quote from Daddy on a closed "loot" thread...

[OP SC keeps a close eye on many stats, particularly following the recent update, they also look at feedback from players, they don't however search through 1000s of threads to find the loot related ones, for that reason i'm closing this.

Please post your loot related opinions in the loot related thread - top sticky on the page ]

So the loot feedback thread, is both for the one-liners good or bad AND for the well thought out dissertations.
Word from the Daddy.
Word to your mutha.

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Dude you quoted a question I had to Dahini about a miss-referenced quote and used it to change the nature of the discussion to something you said.

I agree that the forum population is a minority. Whether your group is equal to my group of people is insignificant. Our experiences are different and that has everything to do with it.

One of the points I made is that most of the people that are disgusted enough with the gameplay of clash of clans YOU will not even hear from. They will just go away. They will not put their storages outside. They will not join the forum to complain. They just stop playing. The app gets deleted. Collector town city (yay, more for us!). But overall, bad for SC. SC will not see these people necessarily as they are basking in the afterglow of currently increasing membership from both Android launch and commercial advertising campaigns. There will be some time before the new members/customers/players become aware of what is afoul in the gameplay.

You guys keep attacking the messengers in that those of us voicing complaints over loot, over OP/nerfed troops, over OVERALL GAME PLAY (this thread) are still committed enough to the game to help orchestrate such changes that will keep us playing the game. You are arguing with the people that still care about the game. Your attitude towards people that are trying to help, is the exact same feeling that you were getting when you were trying to offer playing advice to people that didn't ask for it and you felt snubbed. Exact same.

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I imagine customer retention is somewhat important to SC. Perhaps not, but it would surprise me greatly if they didn't monitor statistics about how many people have gone inactive over a given period.

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Dude you quoted a question I had to Dahini about a miss-referenced quote and used it to change the nature of the discussion to something you said.

I agree that the forum population is a minority. Whether your group is equal to my group of people is insignificant. Our experiences are different and that has everything to do with it.

One of the points I made is that most of the people that are disgusted enough with the gameplay of clash of clans YOU will not even hear from. They will just go away. They will not put their storages outside. They will not join the forum to complain. They just stop playing. The app gets deleted. Collector town city (yay, more for us!). But overall, bad for SC. SC will not see these people necessarily as they are basking in the afterglow of currently increasing membership from both Android launch and commercial advertising campaigns. There will be some time before the new members/customers/players become aware of what is afoul in the gameplay.

You guys keep attacking the messengers in that those of us voicing complaints over loot, over OP/nerfed troops, over OVERALL GAME PLAY (this thread) are still committed enough to the game to help orchestrate such changes that will keep us playing the game. You are arguing with the people that still care about the game. Your attitude towards people that are trying to help, is the exact same feeling that you were getting when you were trying to offer playing advice to people that didn't ask for it and you felt snubbed. Exact same.

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Please do not assume there are a significant amount of players leaving the game.

Please do not assume that most of them are leaving because of the problems u stated.

Please do not try to represent a group of people who might not exist.

Please only represent yourself in the forums.

Because in the end, you are just a player. Trying to make your point seem more valid by holding hands with a bunch of people with the same opinion while screaming "look at us, we are a lot of players and we hate this game!!", when you are most likely a dozen in a million, just looks sad, for you.

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Dude you quoted a question I had to Dahini about a miss-referenced quote and used it to change the nature of the discussion to something you said.

I agree that the forum population is a minority. Whether your group is equal to my group of people is insignificant. Our experiences are different and that has everything to do with it.

One of the points I made is that most of the people that are disgusted enough with the gameplay of clash of clans YOU will not even hear from. They will just go away. They will not put their storages outside. They will not join the forum to complain. They just stop playing. The app gets deleted. Collector town city (yay, more for us!). But overall, bad for SC. SC will not see these people necessarily as they are basking in the afterglow of currently increasing membership from both Android launch and commercial advertising campaigns. There will be some time before the new members/customers/players become aware of what is afoul in the gameplay.

You guys keep attacking the messengers in that those of us voicing complaints over loot, over OP/nerfed troops, over OVERALL GAME PLAY (this thread) are still committed enough to the game to help orchestrate such changes that will keep us playing the game. You are arguing with the people that still care about the game. Your attitude towards people that are trying to help, is the exact same feeling that you were getting when you were trying to offer playing advice to people that didn't ask for it and you felt snubbed. Exact same.

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I agree. I don't quite understand the mentality behind some users who think that others have to post up to their standard. The forum is free for everyone, all opinion needs to be taken seriously. While some comments are not as good/detail as the others, they hold equal values because this is accumulated feedback.

People voicing their concern by no means affects your enjoyment of the game, if anything it's only for the better (FOR YOU). So what with the antagonistic attitude?

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Quote from Daddy on a closed "loot" thread...

[OP SC keeps a close eye on many stats, particularly following the recent update, they also look at feedback from players, they don't however search through 1000s of threads to find the loot related ones, for that reason i'm closing this.

Please post your loot related opinions in the loot related thread - top sticky on the page ]
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So the loot feedback thread, is both for the one-liners good or bad AND for the well thought out dissertations.

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Yes i agree that you are not restricted in any way to post "loot sux ballz SC is greedycellzzzz!!".

But don't expect me to take this into consideration when i'm trying to figure out how many players dislike the loot system, because I know SC sure wouldn't. At least i hope they don't listen to spam whinings.

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Allow me to elaborate. With regards to loot, the forum population IS a minority, out of millions of clashers.

I mean there are literally 50 players in 抢劫上帝, 100+ players from Ex family, etc etc who did not complain about the loot. If i go on, i'll be listing down thousands of players who are NOT having problem with loot post update.

So yea, whiners are a minority at this moment.

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I agree that forum population is just a small minority out of the millions of clashers but those who do not use or go on a forum to complain doesn't mean there not complaining and happy with there game. There are thousands of people who will be upset about the game and just stop playing rather than go on a forum to complain.

The minority that are on the forum are likely to be the ones that have the greatest passion about the game and these people are the ones who are normally be telling everyone how great the game is and telling everyone to play it, if the forum users are the ones complaining then its there biggest fans of the game which are complaining...

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Originally Posted by Sandalhat

Allow me to elaborate. With regards to loot, the forum population IS a minority, out of millions of clashers.

I mean there are literally 50 players in 抢劫上帝, 100+ players from Ex family, etc etc who did not complain about the loot. If i go on, i'll be listing down thousands of players who are NOT having problem with loot post update.

So yea, whiners are a minority at this moment.

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Please do not assume there are a significant amount of players leaving the game.

Please do not assume that most of them are leaving because of the problems u stated.

Please do not try to represent a group of people who might not exist.

Please only represent yourself in the forums.

Because in the end, you are just a player. Trying to make your point seem more valid by holding hands with a bunch of people with the same opinion while screaming "look at us, we are a lot of players and we hate this game!!", when you are most likely a dozen in a million, just looks sad, for you.

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What, kinda like your post above, but replacing "we hate this game" with "we love this update" makes you any different than what you accuse me of? Hypocrite much?

Look, I don't hate the game. Don't put words in my mouth. I dislike the update.

I am free to assume anything I want, and make my own predictions as to how the future of the game will come down.

Assumptions are made by YOU just the same, assumptions are made at SC, assumptions are made all the time. Don't tell me not to assume something only because you don't like to hear what is being said and fear it will lead to some change of your newfound gravy train of the new update.