NEW IDEA - UNIQUE HERO SKIN ABILITIES! Additional bonuses when Complete Sets equipped

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June 2nd, 2020
ShepRamseyUSASnipers

NEW IDEA - UNIQUE HERO SKIN ABILITIES! Additional bonuses when Complete Sets equipped

So I was thinking that more people would buy the gold pass, and choosing and using different hero skins could be more fun and game involved if each Hero Skin had it's own small, unique bonus based on the type of skin being equipped. Nothing to unbalance the game, just something to make the Hero Skins a bit more exciting and valuable. For example, while the Primal Queen skin is equipped, her attack range could be increased by 1 tile due to her prowess with her weapon of choice. The Gladiator Queen skin, when equipped, could add an extra 25 points of damage per hit due to her arena earned toughness. When using the Primal Warden skin, due to his harsh environment and inate abilities and ancient artifacts, could add an additional 5% increase to nearby troops' health and damage outputs. When the Gladiator King Hero Skin is used, it would grant an additional bonus to damage and health due to his arena fighting days. The possibilities are endless. Also, when having Complete Sets of Hero Skins equipped, it could grant the player additional bonuses like an additional 10% bonus to training times, etc etc or the Heroes themselves could share in each others' special Hero Skin abilities when they are dressed alike. Each Hero Skin could also have a special ability when equipped and defending a player's base. Let me know what you think. This is just the tip of the proverbial sword ;)
June 2nd, 2020
Piper139

Can you say pay to win? The only way to consistently get hero skins is with cash. For now, there is nothing that affects game play balance that free players cant get. Heroes without skins have the same ability as those with skins. As it should be.
June 2nd, 2020
Tosti111

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Originally Posted by ShepRamseyUSASnipers

So I was thinking that more people would buy the gold pass, and choosing and using different hero skins could be more fun and game involved if each Hero Skin had it's own small, unique bonus based on the type of skin being equipped. Nothing to unbalance the game, just something to make the Hero Skins a bit more exciting and valuable. For example, while the Primal Queen skin is equipped, her attack range could be increased by 1 tile due to her prowess with her weapon of choice. The Gladiator Queen skin, when equipped, could add an extra 25 points of damage per hit due to her arena earned toughness. When using the Primal Warden skin, due to his harsh environment and inate abilities and ancient artifacts, could add an additional 5% increase to nearby troops' health and damage outputs. When the Gladiator King Hero Skin is used, it would grant an additional bonus to damage and health due to his arena fighting days. The possibilities are endless. Also, when having Complete Sets of Hero Skins equipped, it could grant the player additional bonuses like an additional 10% bonus to training times, etc etc or the Heroes themselves could share in each others' special Hero Skin abilities when they are dressed alike. Each Hero Skin could also have a special ability when equipped and defending a player's base. Let me know what you think. This is just the tip of the proverbial sword ;)

Not a chance, that makes it pay to win. The only way to get skins is to purchase them and that would make them uNavailable to those who are free to play.
June 2nd, 2020
ShepRamseyUSASnipers

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Originally Posted by Piper139

Can you say pay to win? The only way to consistently get hero skins is with cash. For now, there is nothing that affects game play balance that free players cant get. Heroes without skins have the same ability as those with skins. As it should be.

I agree I dont like pay to play or pay to win, but it is only 4.99 for the gold pass and for people who consistently get it each month ( in my opinion it is well worth the 5 bucks for the month long bonuses and extra items when you are on your way to th13. It is also the ONLY money I spend on games) it would be a nice lil extra game decision to make. The bonuses wouldn't haved to be anything significant either and the developers could offer up a free skin here and there under the events tab or something of that nature. Besides, gems and everything else is up for cash so it technically already is a pay to win scenario so it wouldnt cause any undo harm.
June 2nd, 2020
vandaof

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Originally Posted by ShepRamseyUSASnipers

I agree I dont like pay to play or pay to win, but it is only 4.99 for the gold pass and for people who consistently get it each month ( in my opinion it is well worth the 5 bucks for the month long bonuses and extra items when you are on your way to th13. It is also the ONLY money I spend on games) it would be a nice lil extra game decision to make. The bonuses wouldn't haved to be anything significant either and the developers could offer up a free skin here and there under the events tab or something of that nature. Besides, gems and everything else is up for cash so it technically already is a pay to win scenario so it wouldnt cause any undo harm.

It is not pay to win with gems. Gems just get you to max faster, they don't add any attacking ability or make your troops do anything special nor do they give you extra levels beyond max. The only way to win is to be good at attacking with the troops and heroes you have.
June 2nd, 2020
Cookiemonster123123

First off, ya it's pay to win. You pay to get special abilities that free-to-play players don't have.

Secondly you said "Nothing to unbalence the game" and then proceeded so suggest giving the AQ one extra tile range. Contradiction much?
June 2nd, 2020
rowman

I am a strictly "free to play" player, I purchase nada. When a meet another maxed player in the game whom elected to spend money, they have zero advantage over me, all our troops are equal, defenses are equal, spells are equal, heroes are equal.

"Nothing to unbalance the game ..." But it would imbalance the game. No matter how hard I try, or what I do, the paying player would have an advantage, no matter how slight, that only money can buy. You tip the scales from "balanced" to "in favor of paying players".

[Ninja'd by cookiemonter]
June 2nd, 2020
Gleechin

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Originally Posted by ShepRamseyUSASnipers

I agree I dont like pay to play or pay to win, but it is only 4.99 for the gold pass and for people who consistently get it each month ( in my opinion it is well worth the 5 bucks for the month long bonuses and extra items when you are on your way to th13. It is also the ONLY money I spend on games) it would be a nice lil extra game decision to make. The bonuses wouldn't haved to be anything significant either and the developers could offer up a free skin here and there under the events tab or something of that nature. Besides, gems and everything else is up for cash so it technically already is a pay to win scenario so it wouldnt cause any undo harm.

I disagree with the statement saying it's already P2W. If you've ever played a truly P2W game, you'll know clash is not one of them. Even if it is P2W, it is functionally F2P. Further more, it would have to be a big enough buff to actually change some interactions, otherwise it would be pointless. If you are offering buffs like this for money, it is a functionally P2W game.

Lastly, for some people, 5 dollars a month is a lot. Don't think everyone who wants to buy it can.
June 2nd, 2020
GaMe ChAnGeR1

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Originally Posted by ShepRamseyUSASnipers

So I was thinking that more people would buy the gold pass, and choosing and using different hero skins could be more fun and game involved if each Hero Skin had it's own small, unique bonus based on the type of skin being equipped. Nothing to unbalance the game, just something to make the Hero Skins a bit more exciting and valuable. For example, while the Primal Queen skin is equipped, her attack range could be increased by 1 tile due to her prowess with her weapon of choice. The Gladiator Queen skin, when equipped, could add an extra 25 points of damage per hit due to her arena earned toughness. When using the Primal Warden skin, due to his harsh environment and inate abilities and ancient artifacts, could add an additional 5% increase to nearby troops' health and damage outputs. When the Gladiator King Hero Skin is used, it would grant an additional bonus to damage and health due to his arena fighting days. The possibilities are endless. Also, when having Complete Sets of Hero Skins equipped, it could grant the player additional bonuses like an additional 10% bonus to training times, etc etc or the Heroes themselves could share in each others' special Hero Skin abilities when they are dressed alike. Each Hero Skin could also have a special ability when equipped and defending a player's base. Let me know what you think. This is just the tip of the proverbial sword ;)

If SC wants to kill the game,this would be a great way of doing it.The Gold Pass currently warrants only Faster Progress.Adding abilities,howsoever small,to Hero Skins would make the game P2W would chase away a lot of F2P players.
June 2nd, 2020
joemann8478

Just to add, what about those players who missed out on a skin because they started playing after it was introduced?
They'd be at a disadvantage until that skin is offered for gems, if it is even ever offered.
June 2nd, 2020
Ajax

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Originally Posted by ShepRamseyUSASnipers

I agree I dont like pay to play or pay to win,

But it is what you are proposing.

It really is quite simple. There should never be anything in the game which affects gameplay, and can only be obtained by spending money.

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but it is only 4.99 for the gold pass and for people who consistently get it each month ( in my opinion it is well worth the 5 bucks for the month long bonuses and extra items when you are on your way to th13. It is also the ONLY money I spend on games) it would be a nice lil extra game decision to make. The bonuses wouldn't haved to be anything significant either and the developers could offer up a free skin here and there under the events tab or something of that nature. Besides, gems and everything else is up for cash so it technically already is a pay to win scenario so it wouldnt cause any undo harm.

Technichally, it isnb't even close to a pay to win scenario.

It is pay to speed things up.

There is nothing you can get by paying that you couldn't get in time without paying.

And the "Undue harm" it wold cause would be many millions of players quitting.
June 2nd, 2020
Erik5839

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Originally Posted by Ajax

But it is what you are proposing.

It really is quite simple. There should never be anything in the game which affects gameplay, and can only be obtained by spending money.

Technichally, it isnb't even close to a pay to win scenario.

It is pay to speed things up.

There is nothing you can get by paying that you couldn't get in time without paying.

And the "Undue harm" it wold cause would be many millions of players quitting.

If I call CoC pay to win the first CWL after a new th drops, would you agree with that?

Pay to progress faster can have a pay to win aspect if getting maxed faster gives you and advantage for certain events.
June 2nd, 2020
Ajax

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Originally Posted by Erik5839

If I call CoC pay to win the first CWL after a new th drops, would you agree with that?
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No. Though I doubt there will be an update dropping a whole new TH just before CWL anyhow.

TH13 came the day after CWL ended.

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Pay to progress faster can have a pay to win aspect if getting maxed faster gives you and advantage for certain events.

By stretching the definition almost to breaking point, it can.
June 2nd, 2020
joemann8478

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Originally Posted by Ajax

No. Though I doubt there will be an update dropping a whole new TH just before CWL anyhow.

TH13 came the day after CWL ended.

By stretching the definition almost to breaking point, it can.

For most clans, yes th13 dropped after cwl, but there were some clans still in cwl when it dropped. The forums blew up with complaints.
But I agree that this isn't/wasn't pay to win.
June 2nd, 2020
Piper139

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Originally Posted by Erik5839

If I call CoC pay to win the first CWL after a new th drops, would you agree with that?

Pay to progress faster can have a pay to win aspect if getting maxed faster gives you and advantage for certain events.

Nope. There is a huge difference between pay to advance faster and paying for a permanent advantage that free to pay players can never get. There has to be an advantage to buying stuff or people wouldnt buy it. The advantage in clash is time. I will max faster and with less farming time buying the gold pass than the equivalent free player. However, the free player can end up with the exact same maxed base at a later time. Pay to win is you get better units, defenses, etc that a free player can never match. Worse are pay to play games where you cant even progress at a reasonable rate without paying money. Clash does a really good job of balancing the advantage you gain paying against not punishing the free players.
June 2nd, 2020
LapDawg

I'm with a number of others: ABSOLUTELY NOT!(!!!!!!!!!!!)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I might just quit the game if anything Pay to Win is added. That will come down to the Almighty Dollar for those who have deep pockets who only play to be Top Dawg (pun unintended due to my username).

Why add extra abilities, TC, outside of having more buy the Gold Pass?
June 3rd, 2020
MiniDeathclaw

So you want clash to be cash based rather than skill? This is the last thing I would want to have though I spend a lot of money. I like the strategy based game that does not beg players for cash to win a match.?
June 5th, 2020
Sahilagg8901

I think to keep the game fair the hero skins may give an advantage to the hero in one aspect but cause a disadvantage in other aspect. For example, gladiator king will have more hitpoints when the skin is used but then will have less barbarians while using the hero ability.

Though this is just for the sake of discussion. Keeping in mind how it will make the game so complex, more for the developers, there shouldn't be any special abilities attached to Hero Skins. It is better that SC spend time in developing new content than take another complication like this.
June 5th, 2020
RachelDawnAmber

Overall, coc is just a very very very very slow pace game. Not much new things, so you won't get overwhelmed.

Unlike games like Path of Exile, Oh my gawd, every 3 months, you got to study a Master degree.

Tho I still wish coc gives a different path for players that crave for new things, like what you said "unique hero abilities", doesn't need to be added to the core game, Clan War/Clan War League. Like somethings new and special from time to time, like those speical troops, but happen more often
June 5th, 2020
Gilgamesh4488

Hell no id say.

Already had some problems with the "Pay for convinienz" that comes with the goldpass.

Ofc you could make some visual effects that can effect the looking of the base, but never ever make the game Pay to win.