SC - you missed a great opportunity - 1 gem boost

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Originally Posted by zachUVA

Permanent 1 gem boosts would be a disaster. This isn't all about what causes the most gemming; you also have to take into consideration what this would do to gameplay. I think pretty much everyone would agree that boosting would be far more common with 1 gem boosts than what we have now, and without collector boosts to help loot, we would have a massive loot shortage.

I find the permanent price decrease adequate (although I do think there is a legit debate to be had over 45 min vs 4 hours). It allows people to boost more often than before, but it shouldn't really upset the loot balance too much. I don't know what effect this will have on SC's profit, but I'd imagine it wouldn't be a huge difference.

And, yeah, some could say just make 1gem boosted collectors permanent too, but that could make the game too easy in the long run. I have seen several (I believe truthful) claims of farming in excess of 30 MILLION gold in one day with boosting... that's just too much to be permanent IMO. That being said, yeah, I'd still like more loot than I cam get now, but there is a limit.

Just my opinion, although I do hope we see more discount events from time to time.

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Given the the information about how this would impact loot, I think that a boost event during sneak peek season would be enough to satisfy forumers while at the same time preventing loot from completely drying out during said period of time.

I had a feeling that it would be a great day
- it's so good to see you, however brief, back on the Forums, Billy Teddy Bear.

I am no economist,
and I certainly have no hard facts / figures,
but I do agree with you that the 1 gem boost would have been a good stream of mutually beneficial income.

Now, before I get vitriol poured on me for whining, allow myself to be very clear:
I am not complaining about the current situation.
Things have actually gone back to (slightly better than) status quo and I am OK with that.

But consider the following:

1. If you're trying to sell something, you market it @ $99.99 instead of $100.00
   
   People who were not usually gemming, and I refer to even the most hardcore farmers amongst us, were boosting everything this past week (or was it two).
   
   Now, you might say that it won't mean much to SuperCell because they're using achievement / tree gems, blah blah yadda yadda... but let's look at this very objectively here:
   A TH10 has 7 + 7 + 3 resource collectors. That's 17 gems there already.
   Add the barracks & spells into the mix @ 4 + 2, we're looking @ 6 gems per playing session - now I'm not sure about you, but I certainly did not stop at just 1 session - because 6 gems were so deceptively cheap, I was boosting them even when I was unsure I'd be able to play long stretches of time.
   Needless to say, my spell factory never slept either.
   
   Deceptively cheap, but it adds up, as the OP as shown in his math.
   
   Most of the older players here, would have already spent most of their achievement gems over the course of a few trophy hunts.
   Similarly, younger players usually hold out on their gems to pay for their builders.
   And there's no way you get 17 gems EVERY DAY from cutting trees down.
   
   And I personally know 12 players who actually bought a small pile of gems just to take advantage of this boost.
2. Hunting is the ultimate aim of the game
   
   Now, I hear all of you about your comments about loot shouldn't be too easy for everyone.
   But, as sad as it is to admit it (and I am as stubborn a farmer as anyone out there), resource looting is not the aim of the game. Cup hunting is.
   
   We farmers exploit a loophole in the system - and our journey is a loooooooooong, gruelling, tiring, and very likely an endless one.
   
   No matter how much we raid in a day, we will NEVER be able to fully max our bases. We will ALWAYS be grinding @ walls.
   Because every single time you think you've made it, SuperCell goes ahead and releases a new TH. *whoopeedoo*
   It's just how fast we reach the temporary end for a break before the next mindless cycle comes up.
   
   This barrack + spell + resource boost made it semi possible for a lot of us to (kinda) do both.
   So, maybe not all of us made it to Champ, and even fewer of us are sitting @ the 3600s and above,
   but it made it possible for the group of us who are neither here nor there on the side of the fence to start enjoying the game again and have a mild taste of playing the game the way we ultimately think we should be playing it.
   
   And I believe that is better for game progression in the long run.
3. More champs = More fish in the pond
   
   Honestly, while I don't know many competitive players up there,
   the few that I do know complain about one thing - the mind numbing horror of watching clouds on your iPad / iPhone for hours before you find just one base. And that base may not even be worth attacking, if you had a choice.
   
   As some of you have rightfully pointed out, the gap between the Olympus of Clash and the lands of us mere mortals is a wide one.
   
   I'm already complaining when I need to click more than 20 times to find a base with loot,
   so I think I would probably shoot myself in the head if it took me 2 hours to find 1 base (which is apparently the going rate @ 3900 trophies atm).
   
   So I'm sure they wouldn't mind if just a few more of us climbed up to champ so that they had a wider variety of bases that they could 2* with their armies. :rolleyes:
4. Competitive trophy hunters will ALWAYS need to gem
   
   The game they play is a totally different game from what we are used to.
   
   They gem their waiting times, their donation troops, their heroes, their spells,
   and when SC releases a new TH / defence, they will gem that too.
   
   A 13 dragon army takes out 546,000 elixir for each raid.
   3 L5 golems set you back about 2,250 DE.
   And that's all for ONE raid - and they don't just raid once in a day.
   
   So, while the resource boost might amount to slightly more resources,
   I still believe the drain may still be faster than the gain.

Again, not whining.
Things have gone back to (slightly better than) the way they were.

But I do believe the Teddy Bear is on to something here.

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La petite PommeFrites, wondering if health economics is the same as real economics...

A couple things to remember if anyone's still reading this thread.

1. The 1 gem for everything was a gift, and an incredible gift that lasted for quite a long time.

2. There was a major reduction and increase in boosting value given by SC immediately after the cheap boost

3. Loot always stinks right after an update

So, it's gonna seem extra hard since loot was so plentiful during the boost and now even using bag army feels slow to me. Loot is harder to find, but that's really nothing abnormal. In a few days it should return to great again. But that's just because we got spoiled during that cheap boost. When people with no actual data other then their own (or their clan or some forum posters) opinion try to tell SC how they are missing out on making so much money, and they should follow their great counsel to reach a new height of revenue stream - well, they just don't have what SC has, raw data and actual monetary feedback.

Personally I'm grateful that things have gotten cheaper to boost, and that SC ever even gave us that amazing boost to being with. I think if I was a game dev for SC I'd not want to read these forums since even when people get what they want it's never enough.

Everyone is entitled to your own opinion, just remember that's what it is, your opinion, not the masses.

Until the first one gem spell factory boost, I never boosted my spell factory, but I've been doing so, ever since, when I have the time to commit to raiding.

The same goes for the barracks boost. Before they were one gem, I'd never boosted them.

Guess what... My barracks and spell factory are all boosted right this moment.

I'm sure not alone, and I'm sure Super Cell can see this data. I'd say that was a successful one gem taste, to get me hooked.

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Originally Posted by Wilzu

I complately agree with OP.
Everyone in this clan were extremely active and we all were playing many hours straight and chat with each other.
It didn't feel like I was playing a mobile game (I'm using bluestacks though) when I could actually play it without waiting for 30 minutes in between the raids. Also it allowed me to use some interesting tactics like dragons/wizards while farming resources.

We talked about these boost prices and everyone shared the same opnion about it: Everyone said that they would buy gems if the boosts costed 1 gem. Now with these current prices none of us even thinks about buying them because it just isn't worth it.

Now after the collector boosts the loot seems to be poor again when it was okay when people boosted their collectors.

I really hope supercell would change them permanently to 1 gem, at least I would buy gems for sure if they did.

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Originally Posted by sagat

+1000 @ OP
Been playing for more than 1 year and i havent put money in the game ,except for the 4th and 5th builder. never gemmed anything.
However when the 1gem boost came. i bought the 9 euro pack of 1200 gems.. already spent em cause of the boosts.
And i think that if it was still up, i would buy more !
SC is a million dollar company.. Seriously,cant someone tell them that special offers and reduction of cost in gemming is needded more often?
Also the Heroes healing time is a joke at all levels.
Reduce gem costs an youll get more gem buyers. THAT SIMPLE !

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Originally Posted by Jcman

Nice job making up statistics there...

You don't have a fair comparison. First off you have to compare apples to apples. So, at minimum, compare 4 hour blocks.
You do that and instead of $.50 you have $2.50 compared to $4.00. 1 gem for 45 minutes, so 5 gems for a bit over 4 hours.

And who said it had to stay at 1 gem for 45 minutes... Let's make it 2 gems for 45 minutes.. Now using your made up numbers the 2 gems for 45 minutes is at $5.00 compared to $4.00 of the 20gems for 4 hours... SC would make more money selling the cheaper boost.



The point is, happy people will buy more gems then frustrated people. The raiding/loot system now is frustrating for tons of people. The troop time for even cheap troops is too long. That frustrates thousands of people. Spell Cooking times are ridiculous. This frustrates people. Cheap boosts are an easy fix to keep people playing, and spending money. We are forced to stay online for long periods of time to protect our gained resources and are encouraged by the loot system to hit harder bases for storages but those troops take forever to cook and spells take longer. Boosts help with all of this.

I made about 70 million gold last season, less than 1 million of that was stolen from other people. The math does not add up.


This games gold economy relies far too much on tens of thousands of inactive and/or dead bases for the rest of us to farm off of. Until active people can raid other active people and still progress in a timely manner, this game can only go one direction... downhill. I expect Supercell will see the dramatic drop of gem sales and active accounts in the coming weeks compared to a month ago and they'll either address it, or they'll squeeze the player base until the problem fixes itself because there are many times more dead bases than active so loot is not a problem anymore. I would like to think SC wants to keep its player base as potential gem buyers, not use their dead base collectors to feed the chain.


Supercell likes being a free to play game with in game purchases, they should look at how other mmo type games get you to spend your money. They do it by getting little bits of coin off you at a time. Coins from millions of people add up much more than dollars from a thousand or so people.

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These and what Maggie just mentioned.

The first days of the boost I ran out of gems. Guess what I did? For the past 4 months, since I bought my 5th builder, I did not purchase gems. But because I ran out of my gems, which was the effect of 1 gem boosting, I bought the gem pack. Yep, I was forced to buy gems to avail of the boost. And so I type to our clan's chat "Did it have the same effect on you?" Clan's answer was a resounding yes! And they were all happy, they once again found the need for gemming. For the longest time in our coc life, we again experienced zero gems and yet felt value was there. You supercell, brought about the gem drain in the economy. Now, shouldn't you be as happy as well, supercell? You and softbank's pocket (not to sound disdainful here, just realistic)?

Keywords here being happy, buying, need, gems.

There are people here worrying about the effects of the influx of gold (it's a perennial fear I tell you, but a lootless coc is much more terrifying and will lead to its death). Well I could say the boost helped me in my xbow. But still, the bulk of income used to start it was from the raids. I was still raiding incessantly as before update, but it was less frustrating and was more rewarding compared to post update. The 1 gem collector helped yes, but if I relied on it solely, if I didn't raid for hours, I wont be able to start my xbow. So what I'm saying is, 1 gem collectors won't cause inflation, because of the really steep prices of upgrades. You still have to raid, raid, raid. So do not worry about 1 gem collectors, once this is given to us again, what you should worry about are your pockets, wallets, c cards.

Going back to op, think about supercell, make a feasibility study about it or something, you induce gem drain, the 1 gem boost is an almighty solution to all our problems—the problem with the gold drain, with the cook times, with Nexting, problem with the trophy drain, problem with your Euro income, with softbank's income. It is business after all, supercell.

p.s. Looking back, 1 gem boost won't even be thought about or discussed if it wasn't for the generally worse state of loots these weeks post update. Sc, it all boils down to how your new loot system affected coc very badly.

Indeed a missed opportunity for SC. Such a waste...

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Originally Posted by Jcman

Spell Cooking times are ridiculous.

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Heh... I just saw this https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/e/ezweb_ne_jp.B99

Off topic, I think spells used to take up 4 (or was it 6) hours of cooking time.

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La petite PommeFrites, still boosting her factory... :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0

Heh... I just saw this https://mail.google.com/mail/ca/u/0/e/ezweb_ne_jp.B99

Off topic, I think spells used to take up 4 (or was it 6) hours of cooking time.

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La petite PommeFrites, still boosting her factory... :rolleyes:

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Originally i think they were 16, 20 and 24 hours to make

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Originally Posted by Sneakydave

Originally i think they were 16, 20 and 24 hours to make

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Yep, memories, now 30 minutes is torture. :D

The 1 gem boost simply cannot stay. It was a nice gift from Supercell that made the game embarrassingly easy for TH8 and under. It made TH9 enjoyable due to extra loot and also gave new life to TH10s that were starting to stagnate.

I can see Bill's point however I believe he's a unique case that most of us on here can't really relate too.

What I mean is, he has a maxed base except Heroes and Walls, basically the highest demanding resources. He doesn't want to continually chase cups and so is stuck trying his best to farm and frustrated with the current levels.

I can understand the 1 gem boost might have doubled his productivity to farm these and so refreshed his interest however it tripled or even quadrupled the productivity of lower TH levels. Not good and can't be permanent.

If there is going to be a fix implemented to help Bill's situation it needs to ONLY apply to TH10. There can be NO further improvements to TH8 and under, it'll make it too easy.

For me, and what I've seen so far, the system appears better than before the boost, but obviously a lot lower than during the boost. Supercell have also offered tempting lower gem amounts which i'm now starting to use more. If I know I can play 4 hours then Supercell have a guaranteed 80 gems from me (2 x barracks, 1 x DE barrack & 1 x spell factory).

Well played by Supercell if you ask me. Now just to try and tweak it slightly to improve high level farming if possible.