No New Collectors YET

With the effects of the Christmas update's gem boosting wearing off, I think now is the perfect time to address our standard state of loot. Due to the "random" nature of matchmaking loot is harder/easier to find at certain trophy ranges/times of day. Possible fixes for this problem have been suggested and shot down by SuperCell
(No Level 12 Collectors because it would make getting loot "too easy")

While I might not COMPLETELY agree with this, I do understand why SuperCell is hesitant to give us more loot...
The addition of level 12 collectors should be exclusive for those with level 12 storages (TH11?) Adding level 12 collectors now would do exactly what supercell thinks it would: work too well.

Yet, the current state of loot has NOT been addressed properly. NO update has been set to properly fix the RANDOM nature of matchmaking.(previous update only fixed storage raids & should have been there from the start)
There are far too many bases we have to sift through that are complete garbage (loot wise). Finding a decent 150k+ raid is not an easy task, nowadays.

Here's why. Out of the gigantic plethora of bases you can find there are a multitude of factors playing into what you find.
The first is: Luck, or chance...
The sorting of what base you find is completely random (or so they say...)
Other factors include TH level, trophy range, etc.

So, why is loot "hard to find"? Because not enough people have their collectors at the level they should be!
Having matchmaking RANDOM exposes Clashers to the ENTIRE population, near their trophy range, when searching for a base to raid. In doing so, we are shown just what kind of other Clashers are out their (or at least offline).

So how do you fix the RANDOM?
There are 2 ways to handle this.
The first would be to directly make GARBAGE bases less prevalent searches. Maybe bases with under 40k don't show up under 3000 trophies? While this would help, it wouldn't solve the problem, just bypass it.

The other way is to add an achievement for leveling collectors. This would truly solve the problem because the incentive is something that SuperCell makes out of thin air: gems.
By adding that incentive, and fixing what people find in raids, more people will be attracted to play. Why? Because the loot will be plentiful enough to be enjoyable, but scarce enough not make the game "easy".

The end result?
Supercell makes more money than what they spent, on putting the incentive into the game. And the loot economy (circle of gold) gets put back in its rightful place: balanced.

What shall we call this beautiful incentive?
Eaz-E-Loot
1 Star: get 5 collectors to level 11 (unlock-able @ TH7)
2 Star: get 6 collectors to level 11 (unlock-able @ TH8/9)
3 Star: get 7 collectors to level 11 (unlock-able @ TH10)

Don't like my suggestion? Tell me yours! I'd love to hear what you guys think.

I want Collectors lvl 12 on TH9

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Originally Posted by fortuna

I want Collectors lvl 12 on TH9

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There's a difference between what you WANT & what you NEED.

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Originally Posted by 187

There's a difference between what you WANT & what you NEED.

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Thets Right.

The first option sounds quite viable, although i would like more LEVELS of collectors, they are not really needed at TH9, but for TH10 and possibly 11? I think it would be wise, but wouldnt people just premature to TH11 and get max lvl collectors?

Just adding a requirement to have collectors maxed in order to progress up to a new TH should do it. Not sure how that would work with higher bases with currently low collectors though.

hmmmmmmm

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Originally Posted by LordKronsell

The first option sounds quite viable, although i would like more LEVELS of collectors, they are not really needed at TH9, but for TH10 and possibly 11? I think it would be wise, but wouldnt people just premature to TH11 and get max lvl collectors?

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Hopefully! Lol, premature THs are good for us & SuperCell. There are stuck in a weak spot & must endure/ gem their way out.
As for level 12 collectors? They belong to TH10, when TH11 comes out.

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Originally Posted by Davelfc

Just adding a requirement to have collectors maxed in order to progress up to a new TH should do it. Not sure how that would work with higher bases with currently low collectors though.

hmmmmmmm

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Requirement VS. Incentive?
Its a game, if someone wants to upgrade their TH, let them.

Or fix the loot ?

This is convoluted.

I'd prefer more level for collectors, an extra level from Th7 to Th10 (aka max lvl 12 collectors). 12 collectors for hall 7-9 and 14 collectors for hall 10 are enough. Additional collectors means more things to protect (and more taps as well).

Get lvls 12-15 on collectors :p

I like the idea of making people max their collectors before going to a new TH,Its not that big of a burden to place on someone for the greater good of the games loot availability...Just think how much more loot would be in the game if everyone had maxed collectors!Inactives collector raids would be great all the time and not just reliant on the lvls of the collector.And more active people would be generating more gold and have more available in their storages

Seems the poll has reached a stalemate...
maybe, since both ideas are "minor" both (maybe more?) should be implemented to increase incentive to level/loot availability

Though I'd love more collector levels, as far as the loot problem this probably wouldn't result in a huge change in loot. Just loot at the bases you raid. How many of them actually took the time to max out collectors? I myself as a Th9 (late) have 2 gold mines 1 level short of maxed (11) while my top elixir collectors are 8. I know this isn't a great example but I only upgraded those mines while stalling in Th8. The only exception to this has been my dark elixir pumps which I max rather early (for a resource collector) due to my intense addiction to drinking it..... err did I say that out loud



Anyway we'd probally get more results out of an achievement or requirement to level those collectors. Sure more mine levels would benefit me more personally and other players who like to get a bit more via that method but it wouldn't have as big an impact (I believe)

I'm not sure the first option would be appropriate for two reasons.

The poll says remove bases with less than 40k gold or 40k elixir. What about a base with 500k gold and 39k elixir? I'd quite like this in the matchmaking.

Also, when trophy pushing i like to see all bases as i'm not too bothered about resources. An easy base with +34 trophies and 30k gold would get raided.

Second option looks good, also higher lvl collectors would be helpful.

Agree with the op, and regarding the first suggestion and arguments against. This can be resolved easily, by simply allowing the user to choose if they would like to see the bases with less than 40k or not. A simple tick box on the 'attack' screen would suffice.

Another simple and perhaps interim suggestion is to simply lower the cost of searching.

Im also all for the incentives for levelling up collectors.

Not having enough loot in the game is certainly a factor with the loot problems we are all seeing but it may not be the main one. I personally have dumped all excess loot into walls every time I could. I've started to log on later than normal to begin saving and raiding to get loot nearer to the time a builder is ready so that I have the loot for a shorter time and spend it before I log off. I know for a fact thats what most everyone is doing. I have also heard of many people losing excess loot in other creative ways to get their loot total below a raidable amount. Dumping gold on making a clan and leaving it over amd over til you've lost enough loot and also losing a little you can't lose in a wall by upgrading and then canceling to lose some loot. People dont like getting hit this hard by a raid and are doing most anything to avoid losing that huge amount of gold. A th7 losing 280k to a th9 is angering. Ive heard of lots of people saying they do all of the things to avoid losing loot.
We need to add more loot. It would help a lot but without changing the attitudes and minds of players then this update will continue to be painful for most people.

what we need is a few new level collectors, put more money in the economy. Its not like theres inflation:D But we need to keep in mind that people wont gem as much which would cut into supercell's profits. Its a balancing act, and so is the rest of the game.

If there was a "none" vote i would chose that...

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Originally Posted by Cloudsaves

Not having enough loot in the game is certainly a factor with the loot problems we are all seeing but it may not be the main one. I personally have dumped all excess loot into walls every time I could. I've started to log on later than normal to begin saving and raiding to get loot nearer to the time a builder is ready so that I have the loot for a shorter time and spend it before I log off. I know for a fact thats what most everyone is doing. I have also heard of many people losing excess loot in other creative ways to get their loot total below a raidable amount. Dumping gold on making a clan and leaving it over amd over til you've lost enough loot and also losing a little you can't lose in a wall by upgrading and then canceling to lose some loot. People dont like getting hit this hard by a raid and are doing most anything to avoid losing that huge amount of gold. A th7 losing 280k to a th9 is angering. Ive heard of lots of people saying they do all of the things to avoid losing loot.
We need to add more loot. It would help a lot but without changing the attitudes and minds of players then this update will continue to be painful for most people.

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Its an awfully big leap to assume that just because you are dumping your gold rather than saving up that everyone must also be doing it. I'm sure many players are intentionally keeping their storage loot low to avoid being raided, however I am equally sure that there are also many players who do not do this.

For myself, as a TH9 a couple months off from maxing it, I have not changed anything about the way I play this game or save up my loot. I frequently log off with enough in my storages to get hit for 350k of each and do not worry a bit. If I get hit bad, which happens very rarely, than I will go and hit someone else to get it back, just as it always has been.

Also, as a TH9 I would love to believe that I could loot 280K from a TH7 as you said, sadly I believe you are mistaken on that point as well.

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Originally Posted by 187

So how do you fix the RANDOM?
There are 2 ways to handle this.
The first would be to directly make GARBAGE bases less prevalent searches. Maybe bases with under 40k don't show up under 3000 trophies? While this would help, it wouldn't solve the problem, just bypass it.

The other way is to add an achievement for leveling collectors. This would truly solve the problem because the incentive is something that SuperCell makes out of thin air: gems.
By adding that incentive, and fixing what people find in raids, more people will be attracted to play. Why? Because the loot will be plentiful enough to be enjoyable, but scarce enough not make the game "easy".

The end result?
Supercell makes more money than what they spent, on putting the incentive into the game. And the loot economy (circle of gold) gets put back in its rightful place: balanced.

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Making garbage bases less prevalent in searches does not fix the problem, just makes it worse. Everyone will use up or waste there gold and elixir to avoid being on the search list... and when back online just raid what they need but they can't because everyone is doing the same thing and searches becomes longer just to find someone with over 40K then the rest of the gold will be gone into the blackhole each time they press next...

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Originally Posted by Badzmaru

Making garbage bases less prevalent in searches does not fix the problem, just makes it worse. Everyone will use up or waste there gold and elixir to avoid being on the search list... and when back online just raid what they need but they can't because everyone is doing the same thing and searches becomes longer just to find someone with over 40K then the rest of the gold will be gone into the blackhole each time they press next...

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Ok, so that idea is possibly exploitable. What other ideas are there besides adding an incentive to level up collectors? Besides lvl 12 collectors? Since SC won't do it...

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Originally Posted by Jiggy82

Its an awfully big leap to assume that just because you are dumping your gold rather than saving up that everyone must also be doing it. I'm sure many players are intentionally keeping their storage loot low to avoid being raided, however I am equally sure that there are also many players who do not do this.

For myself, as a TH9 a couple months off from maxing it, I have not changed anything about the way I play this game or save up my loot. I frequently log off with enough in my storages to get hit for 350k of each and do not worry a bit. If I get hit bad, which happens very rarely, than I will go and hit someone else to get it back, just as it always has been.


Also, as a TH9 I would love to believe that I could loot 280K from a TH7 as you said, sadly I believe you are mistaken on that point as well.

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I've actually hit a th7 for that much. Go take a look at the way the new loot system shows how its possible. Some of it has to be in the collectors but I have indeed hit a th7 for that. Also if you read what I posted you would see that I have heard many people doing things to lose loot. Not only here but in clans and in global. The two ways ive heard of losing loot(upgrade cancel and create clans and leave them) I wouldn't even have known about aside from a global laughing about how a guys entire clan had done it.
I am sure we are both right. Some are holding loot some are not. Some people are finding good loot or what they precieve to be good loot some are not. One things for sure. More people are on the forums than ever and its all due to the new loot update. More posts on loot now than ever. Doubtful sc will do anything as long as they are getting rich off it. The original owners may have had some pride in the game, the new owners have pride in new yachts and fast cars. The bottom line. Pointless arguing though. People on the internet can have proof in hand of something and argue against it to the grave.

I have 2 accounts. One is a th9 that's getting maxed. It was a premie 9 but have nearly maxed collectors. The other is a fully maxed before each th upgrade with the one exception being the collectors. Its a th7 that still has lvl 4-5 collectors. And they were a lvl 1 across the board but only got upped to 5's for the one gem bump. They were lvl 1's cause I can steal more than they will ever produce. There is zero incentive to upgrade them. Nada. Why tie up the 3 builders masking collector upgrades when one raid out produces them?
So untill there is a reason I'm going to continue to be part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by 187

There's a difference between what you WANT & what you NEED.

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This whole thread is about what you want, not need. You said the gold should be balanced and SC needs to fix it. But do they really? If every raid was 400k it would reduce the quality of play. You shouldn't get amazing loot every time you press next, or else you would raid 2-3 times and be done for the day. More time spent in the game is what SC needs. Better loot is what you want.

too much loot would lead to the demise of the game. People would play for an hour a day and log off so no one would ever be on, which means less and less money would be spent on CoC which would cause SC to stop updating the game and start looking elsewhere for revenue.

By the way, I hate polls like this one. Cater to the OPs ideas and not the communities. Try adding more options that people could vote on other than just your 2 suggestions that people have already given comments on.

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Originally Posted by Adric

So untill there is a reason I'm going to continue to be part of the problem.

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i don't blame you...

Two thoughts about loot

1) When I search, I pay $1,000 gold per search. That tax to search goes nowhere. If someone looks at my base and skips, I think I should get some or all of that tax. Let's say it is as little as 10%, I think that would put a good deal of gold back into the game.

2) When I raid, if my Elixir or Gold is at capacity, I should not be able to take any of that resource from you. In the raid result screen, it could say MAXED or something. I am not sure this would help gold, but it seems incredible that I can take resources from you that I can't actually take.

Both of these are just simply trying to stop resources, that could be in the economy, from disappearing.

I WANT and I NEED collectors level 12 with TH9!

Collectors level 12 for th8 /thread

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Originally Posted by Cloudsaves

I've actually hit a th7 for that much. Go take a look at the way the new loot system shows how its possible. Some of it has to be in the collectors but I have indeed hit a th7 for that. Also if you read what I posted you would see that I have heard many people doing things to lose loot. Not only here but in clans and in global. The two ways ive heard of losing loot(upgrade cancel and create clans and leave them) I wouldn't even have known about aside from a global laughing about how a guys entire clan had done it.
I am sure we are both right. Some are holding loot some are not. Some people are finding good loot or what they precieve to be good loot some are not. One things for sure. More people are on the forums than ever and its all due to the new loot update. More posts on loot now than ever. Doubtful sc will do anything as long as they are getting rich off it. The original owners may have had some pride in the game, the new owners have pride in new yachts and fast cars. The bottom line. Pointless arguing though. People on the internet can have proof in hand of something and argue against it to the grave.

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Upon giving it a bit more thought, you could be right about getting 280K from a TH7 as a TH9, assuming both the collectors and storages are relatively full. I will concede this point to you.

Also, I'm not really looking to argue, just felt the need to offer an opposing viewpoint to your assumption that everybody is dumping loot rather than save up. Most people in my clan, including myself, are happily saving up for their larger upgrades without problems (all either TH7, 8, or 9's)

There is no doubt in my mind that many people will be doing as you say and dumping gold, all I am saying is that you cannot say everybody is doing so.

I disagree that all of the loot issues (and yes I do agree that the loot system in its current form still has some issues to be sorted out) boil down to greed on the part of SC or their new owners. This is only my opinion, but I firmly believe that this change to the loot system was a genuine attempt on the part of SC to make the game better for everyone and increase its shelf life. Obviously things haven't worked out for everyone under the new system, but I believe the changes to the loot system represent a good first step towards making things better for everyone, and that SC will continue to make adjustments to the loot system in order to achieve a proper balance.

I do agree that there should be an incentive to LVL up collectors cause i always find ones that arent maxxed and its just upsetting. They are the only way NEW loot comes into the game and some ppl feel they dont need to max them.

As for new levels, im sorry but i DONT agree with the OP, they do need to add new LVL's.

When this game was designed TH8 was the max and LVL10 collectors were the MAX. None of the loot percentages were really designed with HIGHER TH's in mind which is why we recently saw such a large change in loot due to this reason.

When TH9 came out, they added a new LVL to collectors and made it available to anyone TH8+ (TH8 AND TH9 at that time) and when th10 came out they gave them one more collector which shows that they know that this is the only way for NEW loot to really come into the game and needs to be scaled as the game scales.

With all the new upgrades that have come out as of late (TH10, new defense levels, new walls) we need an increase in the way NEW loot comes into the game. The latest change adjusted the way loot moves around which helps but we need more loot in the system.

This can be done in 2 ways

1: Across the board resource production changes - Make all collectors increase production by x%
2: Create new Collector Levels

I would like to see changes to BOTH but would be happy with at-least new lvls for TH9+
TH8 needs no other help so dont be greedy and ask for it as thats not fair.

I think adding acheviment for it would really help!

I also would like to see new collector levels added to the game.

I think level 12 for TH8, level 13 for TH9 and level 14 for TH10.

However I think these new levels should only increase the production rate of the mines / collectors and not increase the overall storage capacity as the current storage capacity is already high enough to provide very good returns on collector raids.

Adding more hourly production however will allow the new higher level mines / collectors to fill up quicker meaning more loot available for us all to steal without increasing the max potential loot from a collector only raid.

Also would love to see new levels added for the DE drill at TH 10, nobody seems to mention that one much but I think it would be great to inject a bit more DE into the economy as well.