Pyramid scheme

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Ever notice how the COC system of cups and resources boils down to a pyramid scheme? You can't get more cups than by taking them from someone else, and adding new players adds new cups to the system to be distributed upwards...Same goes for resources.

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False. If you are under 200 cups and someone attacks you, you will lose 1-3 trophies whereas the attacker gains something like 20-30 trophies.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Why you be so difficult with semantics?

It couldn't be trophy inflation because you would have to ADD trophies to have the value of a trophy inflate. #1 you aren't adding trophies which is a huge point of this conversation.. and number 2 the we are talking about the number of trophies in play in the entire game, as in the numerical amount of currency in circulation in an economy which is nothing to do with the VALUE of that currency, which is what inflation measures. Inflation doesn't measure the currency in circulation.

Please show your reference that a pyramid scheme has to involve investment and involve fraud.

A pyramid scheme is simply a business model.

Whether someone lies about how the scheme works makes it fraud. You can still have a pyramid scheme where everyone knows whats going on.

Look up Amway...Mary Kay cosmetics...multiple other businesses that fit the mold.

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I hate to have to say it but, trophy inflation is a far better analogy than a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid Scheme Definition:
"a scheme in which people are recruited to make payments to the person who recruited them while expecting to receive payments from the persons they recruit"

This is nothing like the trophy situation. In a pyramid scheme the guy who is at the top stays at the top no matter how big the the people below him get, in fact he gets bigger the bigger they get, this doesn't happen at all in CoC, it's a free for-all game, not a pyramid scheme.

With regards to the inflation analogy: Trophies are entering and leaving the system all the time, if they didn't we would have less and less trophies in game, how exactly they are added to the game is not 100% clear but they are being added, by virtue of this fact trophies can very much be described to be in an economy and are thus subject to inflation. By the way under inflation the value of the commodity, in this case trophies, does not "inflate" it decreases.

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Originally Posted by Darkpye

I hate to have to say it but, trophy inflation is a far better analogy than a pyramid scheme.

Pyramid Scheme Definition:
"a scheme in which people are recruited to make payments to the person who recruited them while expecting to receive payments from the persons they recruit"

This is nothing like the trophy situation. In a pyramid scheme the guy who is at the top stays at the top no matter how big the the people below him get, in fact he gets bigger the bigger they get, this doesn't happen at all in CoC, it's a free for-all game, not a pyramid scheme.

With regards to the inflation analogy: Trophies are entering and leaving the system all the time, if they didn't we would have less and less trophies in game, how exactly they are added to the game is not 100% clear but they are being added, by virtue of this fact trophies can very much be described to be in an economy and are thus subject to inflation. By the way under inflation the value of the commodity, in this case trophies, does not "inflate" it decreases.

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Now this is a good reply.

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Originally Posted by SuperNova117

False. If you are under 200 cups and someone attacks you, you will lose 1-3 trophies whereas the attacker gains something like 20-30 trophies.

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Yeah, there is other anamolies similar to this like when you win a revenge battle or when th disparity comes into play. I'm not sure how or where those anomalies exactly come up and where those cups go, even when the supercell official stance is that cups aren't created or destroyed.

Though readings these becomes convoluted because i don't think you can see the exact snapshot of trophy loss or gain based on the battle, especially if it was a revenge.

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

This is my last post in this thread before I get irritated and can't sleep.

There are two options for your oppinion:
One, you not are comparing the trophy situation to an economy, and therefore it cannot be called inflation (even though the poster labeling it trophy inflation is absolutely correct), and you can also DEFINITELY not label it a pyramid scheme because those are only used under economic terms.
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Two, you are comparing the situation to an economy, in which case it is also not a pyramid scheme, for reasons already discussed.

If you are comparing complex systems to basic vocabulary, which is fine, society does it all the time, you must focus on the details, or as you put, semantics, of the words chosen.
Otherwise you simply sound unintelligent, misinformed, or blatantly wrong.

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Oh my gosh you're so smart... we are impressed. OP, I'll think about it a bit and look up the exact definition of a pyramid scheme... and get back to you.

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

I Bing'ed "pyramid scheme" definition. So I guess whoever Microsoft contracted for definitions.

And change: I'm, I'm, decapitalize "you", capitalize "I", drop the "ed" on "listen" because the rest of your statement is in the present tense, capitalize God because in the English language deities are capitalized, and change "your" to "you're"

There's seven punctuation and capitalization mistakes you made while telling me about your education.

Ironic.

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Wow.................just wow. No one cares cjhix4. Don't be so negative

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Yeah, there is other anamolies similar to this like when you win a revenge battle or when th disparity comes into play. I'm not sure how or where those anomalies exactly come up and where those cups go, even when the supercell official stance is that cups aren't created or destroyed.

Though readings these becomes convoluted because i don't think you can see the exact snapshot of trophy loss or gain based on the battle, especially if it was a revenge.

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The official SC stance is not that cups aren't created. They have said specifically that wins under 1000 generate trophies, with the winner receiving more than the loser loses.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The official SC stance is not that cups aren't created. They have said specifically that wins under 1000 generate trophies, with the winner receiving more than the loser loses.

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Good to know.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

What is your reference. Author and publisher.

Im 42 yo so im sure im older than you and much more educated. My statement is not absurd...it's a comparison. You have no idea of my background knowledge, You have provided NO INFORMATION that i should have listened to...you are not god, you are not infallible, and your words are not without question. Get off your pedestal sweetheart.

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

I Bing'ed "pyramid scheme" definition. So I guess whoever Microsoft contracted for definitions.

And change: I'm, I'm, decapitalize "you", capitalize "I", drop the "ed" on "listen" because the rest of your statement is in the present tense, capitalize God because in the English language deities are capitalized, and change "your" to "you're"

There's seven punctuation and capitalization mistakes you made while telling me about your education.

Ironic.

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Ironic. I see nowhere in that quote where YOUR should have been changed to YOU ARE (YOU'RE).

Let me expand on this analogy further.

In a pyramid scheme, or a pyramid selling/multilevel marketing scheme...people that have been in the program the longest receive payments from everyone below them in the pyramid. That is everyone that entered the program after. The higher you are in the pyramid the payments go up exponentially. At the bottom there comes a point where the new members can't progress in the organization because there is no new willing members, and/or there is market saturation for the products being sold, so new sales go off a cliff. This is where the pyramid collapses.

In COC, new members have to battle to gain trophies and gain resources. Initially. and forever after, they have to attack similar or lesser towns in order to get ahead. They will get attacked for resources and cups by players slightly higher in cups/experience, because they (the higher players) are in the same boat. Everyone pretty much goes up against towns of equal or lesser level, for the most part. The people at the top of this pyramid are the people that have been playing COC the longest and have the highest level towns. The "payments" they receive from junior players are the resources and cups. So hence, the resources get routed up the pyramid, both gold/elix/de/ and cups. Everything is good as long as there is new members joining the community. If newbies drop off, then the people that joined a month ago will see a scarcity in towns with resources or flat out towns to attack for cups. (maybe). They get stuck at their current level unable to progress further in cups OR upgrades because the collector income wont match what's getting taken from them from higher level attackers, and the constant raiding will dwindle their cups from higher level players that the lower player has no chance to revenge. The next higher level attackers wont feel the effects until shortly after. The players at high levels wont feel the effects for a much longer time after.

The point is that resources are being directed up the cup levels. Sure there are losses in resources due to spending on upgrades, but that is similar to the mary kay seller who has to buy inventory to sell. The excess profit is what makes it up the chain. What happens at the lower levels in resource availability will be invisible to people at higher levels and with a much delayed reaction.