Next button for legends league

Please consider adding a next button for legends league. Attacking in legends has become very frustrating. At every other level of farming, there is a next button.

There is no “one size fits all” army that will work against any base. Attacking maxed town hall 12’s is hard enough. No need to make it harder by forcing us to use ill suited armies for a base. It’s very frustrating to know you could have smashed a base, if only you had that other army cooked.

I know people will tell me to become a better attacker. I would counter with, this is a game and games should be fun, not frustrating.

Bottom line is, frustrated people typically don’t spend more money on a game. Legends league is where the highest skilled, and most dedicated players find themselves. Why frustrate them? You would think they would be the group that spends the most money on the game.

Just my 2 cents. Hopefully it helps make a great game even better.

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It isn't even possible for them to do that, never mind reasonable.

Please elaborate on that response Ajax. They already have the code written and in use. It’s implemented at every other level of farming. Sure, they might need to tweak it to fit into the 8 attacks per day rules of legends league. But I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible for them to do that.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Please elaborate on that response Ajax. They already have the code written and in use. It’s implemented at every other level of farming. Sure, they might need to tweak it to fit into the 8 attacks per day rules of legends league. But I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible for them to do that.

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Well - it was that way in the past (prior OBS (Operation Blue sky). The problem was you hit next and then you wait 12h (yes hours) before a base to attack showed up. At least im upper legends.
This is due to the simple thing of numbers of defences vs. Number of attacks. In upper leagues everybody tries to attack more often than taking defences...

So they changed the whole Legend league. As others already has stated- the new skill in Legend league is to attack with your (fixed) army any given base.

This is different to Titan, where you hit next until you find a base which fits your army.
And it is different to war, where you build your army on the "given" and deeply elaborated enemy warbase...

SC has simply decided this way... Go for it...

And in addition to the "fun" aspect:

You play this game against other real Person, so your fun is some else frustration and vice versa.
I like it if someone fails on my LegendLeague base ;) And if i fail on someone else base i happy with the defender that he gained a defence - and try better next time... and moan a little bit over my bad attack ;)

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Please elaborate on that response Ajax. They already have the code written and in use. It’s implemented at every other level of farming. Sure, they might need to tweak it to fit into the 8 attacks per day rules of legends league. But I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible for them to do that.

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The whole design of legends is to get rid of clouds. You are assigned 8 bases at the start of each day. Not next available like in all others leagues. If you bring back next, you bring back clouds. And we are back to old legends where primary skill required is time available To search.

Those were very frustrating times as well. I remember having to wait hours at a time for a base to hit. This system is definitely better on that front.

The problem then was the shield system, not the next button. There wouldn’t be any clouds with adding a next button to the current system. To make the math simple, if there are 10 players in legends league, then there are exactly 80 attacks and 80 defenses available. Still won’t ever be a wait, because there will always be defenses available from the pool if you have an attack left. Yet, it gives you the ability to hit next to find a more suitable base. The last few attacks of the day might not have much to choose from, but it would still be less frustrating.

In reality, if we expand that to the actual scale of the number of players in legends, there would likely always be a “next” available. There have been plenty of days where I’m not attacked 8 times.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Those were very frustrating times as well. I remember having to wait hours at a time for a base to hit. This system is definitely better on that front.

The problem then was the shield system, not the next button. There wouldn’t be any clouds with adding a next button to the current system. To make the math simple, if there are 10 players in legends league, then there are exactly 80 attacks and 80 defenses available. Still won’t ever be a wait, because there will always be defenses available from the pool if you have an attack left. Yet, it gives you the ability to hit next to find a more suitable base. The last few attacks of the day might not have much to choose from, but it would still be less frustrating.

In reality, if we expand that to the actual scale of the number of players in legends, there would likely always be a “next” available. There have been plenty of days where I’m not attacked 8 times.

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Adding a next button under the current system just isn’t possible. When you start a “legends day” you are assigned 8 bases to attack. That’s it. Just 8. These bases are predetermined at the beginning of the day. That’s the mechanic that got rid of any wait times, or clouds. Under the current system there just isn’t any base for you to “next” to. Those days when you aren’t attacked 8 times are the result of the player assigned your base not using all of his attacks.

The mechanic that got rid of the wait times, or clouds, was the elimination of the shield system. With the shield system, legends players could attack others without taking defenses themselves. It had nothing to do with the next button.

As far as the predetermined 8 bases at the beginning of the day goes, I would even take nexting through them over the current system. Or, change it so the bases aren’t predetermined. As I stated earlier, there will always be defenses available if you have attacks left. It’s math.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Please consider adding a next button for legends league. Attacking in legends has become very frustrating. At every other level of farming, there is a next button.
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I know people will tell me to become a better attacker. I would counter with, this is a game and games should be fun, not frustrating.

Bottom line is, frustrated people typically don’t spend more money on a game. Legends league is where the highest skilled, and most dedicated players find themselves. Why frustrate them? ....

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There are two aspects to the game : (a) For fun, farming, and practice aspect, and (b) the Competative aspect.

You are are absolutely correct that there is "farming" in the other Leagues. And you are absolutely correct that Legends is indeed for the highly skilled, since it is the one and only competative league we have.

So no, Legends should not be adjusted for "farming, fun, and practice". As the lower leagues should not be forced to be competative. In any true competative environment, you are scheduled as to whom you play, those others in the same league as youself. A professional team cannot pick and chose whom they play, and when, there is no "nexting".

So everyone should (theoretically) be happy! Those whom desire competitiveness have Legends. Those whom desire farming have the lower leagues.

counter proposal, let us see what their base looks like before attacking. that way we can have the right army, who wants army picking luck factored into skill.

you should be able to scout it before attacking just like in war, that way you can cook the right army and showcase your skill at attacking instead of skill of praying you have the right army

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Originally Posted by rowman

There are two aspects to the game : (a) For fun, farming, and practice aspect, and (b) the Competative aspect.

You are are absolutely correct that there is "farming" in the other Leagues. And you are absolutely correct that Legends is indeed for the highly skilled, since it is the one and only competative league we have.

So no, Legends should not be adjusted for "farming, fun, and practice". As the lower leagues should not be forced to be competative. In any true competative environment, you are scheduled as to whom you play, those others in the same league as youself. A professional team cannot pick and chose whom they play, and when, there is no "nexting".

So everyone should (theoretically) be happy! Those whom desire competitiveness have Legends. Those whom desire farming have the lower leagues.

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I would argue that clan wars and CWL are the competitive portion of clash. Multiplayer battles will always be for farming, including legends league. It is true that right now, many of us are completely maxed and don’t need the resources gained from multiplayer attacks. That makes legends feel like it should be the competitive portion of the game, and not for farming. However, rumor has it that town hall 13 is right around the corner. When th13 comes along, where will you go for resources to pay for upgrades? I believe you’ll use the multiplayer attack system for resources, aka legends attacks.

I certainly hope you’re not suggesting I drop cups? That would go against the spirit of game play. ;)

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Originally Posted by LokiGodOfChaos

counter proposal, let us see what their base looks like before attacking. that way we can have the right army, who wants army picking luck factored into skill.

you should be able to scout it before attacking just like in war, that way you can cook the right army and showcase your skill at attacking instead of skill of praying you have the right army

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I would take that change over the current system too. I think army picking luck about sums it up. Might steal that one. :)

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Originally Posted by LokiGodOfChaos

counter proposal, let us see what their base looks like before attacking. that way we can have the right army, who wants army picking luck factored into skill.

you should be able to scout it before attacking just like in war, that way you can cook the right army and showcase your skill at attacking instead of skill of praying you have the right army

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Respectably disagree with the "skill vs luck" factor, as I recently posted in this thread: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...league-attacks

I myself also have qualms with pre-scouting in general: Scouting in advace begets cheaters using private servers. Not saying all, or even that most, would cheat, but they should not open up that door unless neccessary.

We each have our own opinions, neither right nor wrong. But I myself feel that being able to design a verstile army and quickly assessing how to make work requires more skill than pre-scouting and army selection in advance per that scouting.

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Originally Posted by rowman

Respectably disagree with the "skill vs luck" factor, as I recently posted in this thread: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...league-attacks.

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Wrong link? That looks like a thread where someone’s kid bought them a shield in legends, and they couldn’t attack.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Those were very frustrating times as well. I remember having to wait hours at a time for a base to hit. This system is definitely better on that front.

The problem then was the shield system, not the next button. There wouldn’t be any clouds with adding a next button to the current system. To make the math simple, if there are 10 players in legends league, then there are exactly 80 attacks and 80 defenses available. Still won’t ever be a wait, because there will always be defenses available from the pool if you have an attack left. Yet, it gives you the ability to hit next to find a more suitable base. The last few attacks of the day might not have much to choose from, but it would still be less frustrating.

In reality, if we expand that to the actual scale of the number of players in legends, there would likely always be a “next” available. There have been plenty of days where I’m not attacked 8 times.

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You are correct in your example that there would be 80 attacks and defends. What will change however is human behaviour. Let’s say I am fortunate enough to live in a timezone where my day starts at the same time a new league day does. I log on, and start nexting like a madman under boost so that every base I attack is the easiest of the 80. My farming is now dirt simple, I always get a base suited to my army and I max out on trophies as well. Pretty sweet deal overall for me. The poor blighter that happens to be asleep when league day starts gets the last 8 bases to attack and which ones are those? The toughest ones that everyone before him nexted over. His farming is much more difficult, never suited to his army or if so, only by luck and his trophies drop like a stone.

This takes us right back to a similar situation as we had before, the person who can spend more time online (and at the right time no less) will rise and everyone else is hosed. Cherry picking at it’s finest. Nexting becomes the true skill rather than anything else. No thanks, not interested.

Incidentally, the sheilds were not the big cause of clouds although they did contribute.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

In reality, if we expand that to the actual scale of the number of players in legends, there would likely always be a “next” available. There have been plenty of days where I’m not attacked 8 times.

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It doesn't matter how many players are in legends. At the start of the day you are matched against 8 players based on your trophy level. Those are your 8 matches for the day no matter what. If you "next" you have just wasted one of your attacks and now you have only 7 attacks left because you skipped one of your 8 matches. Similarly, you are matched on defense against 8 players. Whether all 8 choose to attack you or not doesn't impact it. Those are the 8 players that have the opportunity to attack you that day.

Once you get a little higher in trophies you are almost always attacked 8 times.

Legends is not for nexting, many people here have already explained why. I agree with them wholeheartedly. Legends is all about creating the best army to handle as many different types of bases as you can find. The current system is light years ahead of the old clouds. And having the choices of which bases to hit (as OP suggested) turns this into a competition of who hits closest to the start time of Legends each day rather than a skill based competition. Sorry OP terrible idea, that is not grounded in any form of reality.

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Originally Posted by SumoSloth

Legends is all about creating the best army to handle as many different types of bases as you can find.

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I guess I missed the memo on this one.

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Originally Posted by SumoSloth

The current system is light years ahead of the old clouds.

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I agree with you 100% on this.

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Originally Posted by SumoSloth

And having the choices of which bases to hit (as OP suggested) turns this into a competition of who hits closest to the start time of Legends each day rather than a skill based competition. Sorry OP terrible idea, that is not grounded in any form of reality.

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Respectfully disagree here. It’s obviously causing some frustration for people, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people asking to see the 8 bases before they attack, or pick between 2 pre-cooked armies, or add the next button back. In my experience, people won’t stick around when they’re frustrated. Supercell wants us around, so we buy more gems. Why wouldn’t they make some adjustments to the system to keep us playing and buying gems? That’s pretty grounded in reality... in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

I guess I missed the memo on this one.



I agree with you 100% on this.



Respectfully disagree here. It’s obviously causing some frustration for people, otherwise there wouldn’t be so many people asking to see the 8 bases before they attack, or pick between 2 pre-cooked armies, or add the next button back. In my experience, people won’t stick around when they’re frustrated. Supercell wants us around, so we buy more gems. Why wouldn’t they make some adjustments to the system to keep us playing and buying gems? That’s pretty grounded in reality... in my opinion.

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Many things are frustrating: failing a war attack, waiting for donations, getting three starred, troop AI, waiting for the next TH upgrade as examples. Just because something is frustrating does not mean it needs fixing. Frustration does not address the competitive side of legends and isnt a rationale for removing it and replacing it with something that favours online presence.

I need to agree with the OP on this one. Having a next option would be very nice. There have been days in Legends where I absolutely crush every map. Best so far was one day with 5 100 percent and the remaining 3 very high 2 stars. Other days are horrible. I have been matched with maps that are anti vs what I have.

Legends has a large degree of luck mixed in with the skills of players. This suggestion is not only easy to implement but the basic mechanism seems to be in the game already. Why the need to prematch? We can already attack players while they are online or be attacked while online. How hard could it be to take it a step further and allow us to search for a target that suits the army we cooked.

Allow the matching to be flat across the entire Legend player base which would have the desired effect of helping to mitigate the cheating going on at high levels as well.

I see this as a very valid and workable suggestion.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

Please elaborate on that response Ajax. They already have the code written and in use. It’s implemented at every other level of farming. Sure, they might need to tweak it to fit into the 8 attacks per day rules of legends league. But I find it hard to believe that it’s impossible for them to do that.

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Because they changed the whole stru ture of the way legends worked when they implemented Operation Blue Skies. It niw works by allocaging your 8 targets (and allocating your base to 8 atackers) at the start of the day. No searching is carried out when you press the attack button, it just gives you the next of your allocated targets.

So you can't have nexting because that would mean searching again.

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Originally Posted by carmour987

I need to agree with the OP on this one. Having a next option would be very nice. There have been days in Legends where I absolutely crush every map. Best so far was one day with 5 100 percent and the remaining 3 very high 2 stars. Other days are horrible. I have been matched with maps that are anti vs what I have.

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Originally Posted by carmour987

Legends has a large degree of luck mixed in with the skills of players. This suggestion is not only easy to implement but the basic mechanism seems to be in the game already. Why the need to prematch? We can already attack players while they are online or be attacked while online. How hard could it be to take it a step further and allow us to search for a target that suits the army we cooked.

Allow the matching to be flat across the entire Legend player base which would have the desired effect of helping to mitigate the cheating going on at high levels as well.

I see this as a very valid and workable suggestion.

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Then you see it completely wrong. Allowing nexting of bases in legends would require a complete re-work of the system. A re-work that is counter productive to the entire reason they went to OBS in the first place. Part of what makes legends fair is that your trophies depend on both what you hit and how you get hit, and the idea that those 2 numbers are relatively equal. Nexting would automatically make the number of defenses unequal between players, thus destroying any integrity of the system.

On top of that, it has been stated many times before that Legends is not designed to be like war, where you see the base and plan the army for it. It is a competition that is different in structure and implementation. It simply cannot be like the rest of the leagues that already exist for the 1000's of reasons laid out in the Solutions to clouds thread which was a hot topic prior to OBS came out.

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Originally Posted by Stank199

The mechanic that got rid of the wait times, or clouds, was the elimination of the shield system. With the shield system, legends players could attack others without taking defenses themselves. It had nothing to do with the next button.

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While indeed it had nothing to do with the next button, it also had nothing to do with the shield system.

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As far as the predetermined 8 bases at the beginning of the day goes, I would even take nexting through them over the current system. Or, change it so the bases aren’t predetermined. As I stated earlier, there will always be defenses available if you have attacks left. It’s math.

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They aren't going to allow you to see the allocated bases before attacking them, as that would just be wide open to abuse.

And it was mainly the change to 8 predetermined bases that got rid of clouds. Forcing the same number of attacks as defen es eas the other major factor.

But allosing nexting would result in a major advantage to the early birds. As it standz, it doesn't matter whether you take all your attacks in the first two hours, or the last two hours, or soread them through the day. If you didn't have predetermined bases, and could next ubtil you found a "nice" one, then the early attackers would grab all the easiest bases, zndthe later attackers would be lect withthe hardest onrs

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Originally Posted by Ajax

They aren't going to allow you to see the allocated bases before attacking them, as that would just be wide open to abuse.

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what abuse? you cant see traps or practice on it cause you only get 1 try per base, it just allows more specialized attacks and lowers the same spam for 2 stars hits genaric attacks

i refuse to go to legends til they fix that you cant scout an enemy, using the same boring attack x8 for 2 stars sounds boring

even if it could be abused current system is already abused.

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Originally Posted by LokiGodOfChaos

what abuse? you cant see traps or practice on it cause you only get 1 try per base, it just allows more specialized attacks and lowers the same spam for 2 stars hits genaric attacks

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The cheaters would just screenshot it, copy the base and practice on a private server.

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i refuse to go to legends til they fix that you cant scout an enemy,

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Well don't expect to ever go there then, because they are unlikely to change ( not "fix") thst.

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using the same boring attack x8 for 2 stars sounds boring

even if it could be abused current system is already abused.

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It is :(

And something needs to be done about that. But making a use easier isn't the way.

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Originally Posted by rowman

There are two aspects to the game : (a) For fun, farming, and practice aspect, and (b) the Competative aspect.

You are are absolutely correct that there is "farming" in the other Leagues. And you are absolutely correct that Legends is indeed for the highly skilled, since it is the one and only competative league we have.

So no, Legends should not be adjusted for "farming, fun, and practice". As the lower leagues should not be forced to be competative. In any true competative environment, you are scheduled as to whom you play, those others in the same league as youself. A professional team cannot pick and chose whom they play, and when, there is no "nexting".

So everyone should (theoretically) be happy! Those whom desire competitiveness have Legends. Those whom desire farming have the lower leagues.

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Rowan, I really like your comment, "♥In any true competative environment, you are♥scheduled♥as to whom you play, those others in the same league as youself." I totally agree that competition is not and should not be catered to the player or team. It's almost like a sports team making a statement about who they would like to play against in the playoffs. They'll say, I'd rather play this 2nd team instead of this 1st team we're scheduled to play because we matchup better against the 2nd team. Yeah, that wouldn't be right and it would take away from the competition. Thanks for posting!

I don't necessarily agree with the *next button* but this post aligns an idea I proposed a couple of days ago surrounding similar issues.

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Looking at peoples idea of what is *competitive* and what is *non-competitive* is obviously different to our views on the topic Stank.

I'm assuming our idea of competitive somewhat aligns reading through your post. My idea of competitive is a tactical fight against another player where the more skilled player should come out on top. This skill I am referring to is not forcing someone to use a pre-cooked army but allow them to plan and attack a base with an optimal strategy.

Reading through the comments of this post, it appears we are the minority in this issue, and players prefer to play with their pre-trained BOBAT + e.drag armies and call themselves competitive rather than breaking down and hitting a base with an army specifically made for it.

Don't get me wrong, having no clouds in legends is great. I agree that having shields (guards) caused long cloud waits previously. But the existing system is flawed and can definitely be improved upon to create a better experience for all play styles.


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