The Clash Economy

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

I'm not following you I promise, but no again.
Gold is in no way more valued or rare than elixir.

To max a base in COC you need:

Total Cost (Gold, With Walls) - 2,841,861,450 Gold
Total Cost (Gold Without Walls) - 636,561,450 Gold

Total Cost (Elixir, With Troops/Spells) - 299,062,850 Elixir
Total Cost (Elixir, Without Troops/Spells) - 159,212,850 Elixir

Total Cost (Dark Elixir) - 8,720,000 Dark Elixir



Therefore, unless you manage to spend 2.2 billion Elixir on troops (or around 7.3 million level six archers ;) ) gold is extremely more valuable than elixir. But that's just math, gut feelings always prove to be more right anyway. Right?

EDIT: Economic principle says: Value is determined by the scarcity of the resource. Applied to Clash terms, depending on where you are in the game, and what the players around you are doing, the scarcity of each resource will determine the value of it, and will in time drive the value of said resource back into equilibrium.

source http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ht=cost+maxing

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Your example is purely for upgrades. You fail to account for the huge expense of how many raids of various kinds of troops you will be spending to get that gold, and elix....for the upgrades.

When im farming and my gold is going up twice as fast as my elix...because of the troops and spells used. gold gets spent on upgrades... but so does the elix as well. Don't forget not every battle is 100% resource collected...far from it.

Farming cheap and effectively can and will leave you with maxed elixir most of the time, gold is most certainly the name of the game.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

What???? you don't think there is "TRADE" between players? When I go visit "Stumpy123" from clan Stumpy's finest and take 150000 elix for the pleasure of seeing me wreck his base....how is that not a free transaction? All the while he gives me 10 cups too as a tip?

It's free trade. Please show us your textbook definition of an economy that you are failing to use in correlation.

Players are freely trading gold and elix and DE, and cups, at various amounts...each time you trade. And you are also creating wealth through your collectors just like in real life resources are used to create a product to sell.

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I think your teachers will teach you the definition of "trade" somewhere in high school, so you'll get there, but as a jump start, here's this:

If each player or member of a trade gain something and give something up, it is a trade.

Raiding is not an example of a trade, because while the raider may gain resources or entertainment, the raidee gains nothing at all. Making it not a trade, making it impossible for there to be any base for an economy in the game.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Your example is purely for upgrades. You fail to account for the huge expense of how many raids of various kinds of troops you will be spending to get that gold, and elix....for the upgrades.

When im farming and my gold is going up twice as fast as my elix...because of the troops and spells used. gold gets spent on upgrades... but so does the elix as well. Don't forget not every battle is 100% resource collected...far from it.

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Lets break this down more, because you have an interesting argument.
At the difference between the needed gold and the needed elixir, you have about a 2 BILLION gold gap.

Assuming, in the greatest most impossible scenario, you ONLY use, from day 1 of development:
level 6 archers, and you always use 240 of them, you will do 30,555 raids to reach an equal use of both resources.

Or, lets say the most expensive unit in the game, just to prove how incredibly wrong you are:
Included calculations

2,200,000,000 elixer / (55000 The cost of 1 level 4 Pekka x 9 Pekkas per raid (225 spaces)) =

Over 4800 raids!!

Do you understand??
You could do 4800 raids with the most expensive elixir troop in the game and still have spent LESS THAN the required gold needed to max a base!

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

I think your teachers will teach you the definition of "trade" somewhere in high school, so you'll get there, but as a jump start, here's this:

If each player or member of a trade gain something and give something up, it is a trade.

Raiding is not an example of a trade, because while the raider may gain resources or entertainment, the raidee gains nothing at all. Making it not a trade, making it impossible for there to be any base for an economy in the game.

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Dude you are not getting it. I don't know why you cant understand it. I laid it out for you how a raid is exactly a trade. The attacker gets resources, and the defender gets the (dis) pleasure of seeing his base destroyed, or maybe the pleasure of a 14 hour shield. Just like if you went to a barber...you paid, and the services may, or may not, have been what you expected. Either way you paid tax on the transaction(battle cost equivalent). Don't even argue to me about whether YOUR municipality doesn't charge tax on haircuts.

BTW my college degree was 20 years ago...so its likely i've forgotten more than you have ever learned.

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Originally Posted by CJH1X4X

Lets break this down more, because you have an interesting argument.
At the difference between the needed gold and the needed elixir, you have about a 2 BILLION gold gap.

Assuming, in the greatest most impossible scenario, you ONLY use, from day 1 of development:
level 6 archers, and you always use 240 of them, you will do 30,555 raids to reach an equal use of both resources.

Or, lets say the most expensive unit in the game, just to prove how incredibly wrong you are:
Included calculations

2,200,000,000 elixer / (55000 The cost of 1 level 4 Pekka x 9 Pekkas per raid (225 spaces)) =

Over 4800 raids!!

Do you understand??
You could do 4800 raids with the most expensive elixir troop in the game and still have spent LESS THAN the required gold needed to max a base!

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ok...so 2.2 billion is less than 2.8 billion....yet you failed to include the cost of spells in your pekka raids. You probably failed to include the loss percentage of troops never paying for themselves in lost raids (especially at lower levels). Even so you spen 2.2 billion on troops and have yet to spend a dime on elixir upgrades. Never mind the fact that most of the high gold expenditures are made at TH10 max.

Hmmm...im looking at my conqueror achievement...ive won 2250 battles...im sure ive battled more than double that based on my farming raids....surely not with pekkas but they weren't free either...and im not buying lvl11 walls yet.

OH WAIT STOP THE BUS....DON"T YOU HAVE TO GIVE TROOPS TO YOUR CLAN MATES? Do you give shiite troops or good ones?

BTW your MATH IS OFF.

2.2bil /(55000*9=495000) = 4444 raids. Not 4800 and not OVER 4800.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Dude you are not getting it. I don't know why you cant understand it. I laid it out for you how a raid is exactly a trade. The attacker gets resources, and the defender gets the (dis) pleasure of seeing his base destroyed, or maybe the pleasure of a 14 hour shield. Just like if you went to a barber...you paid, and the services may, or may not, have been what you expected. Either way you paid tax on the transaction(battle cost equivalent). Don't even argue to me about whether YOUR municipality doesn't charge tax on haircuts.

BTW my college degree was 20 years ago...so its likely i've forgotten more than you have ever learned.

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In order for there to be an economy, the prices of goods need to be set according to the principles of supply and demand. CoC doesn't have an economy because the participants, the players, have no way of negotiating that. It doesn't matter how much or how little gold is available, the buildings are always a fixed price as is the gem exchange rate.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

ok...so 2.2 billion is less than 2.8 billion....yet you failed to include the cost of spells in your pekka raids. You probably failed to include the loss percentage of troops never paying for themselves in lost raids (especially at lower levels). Even so you spen 2.2 billion on troops and have yet to spend a dime on elixir upgrades. Never mind the fact that most of the high gold expenditures are made at TH10 max.

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Total Cost (Elixir, With Troops/Spells) - 299,062,850 Elixir

This includes the cost of upgrading troops and spells.
The number below it is the cost not including the upgrades.

Failure rate on raids doesn't matter, that isn't figured into this nor does it need to be.
The bottom line is Gold needed to "complete" the game, is over 9 times greater than the required elixir. Which is absolutely staggering. There isn't a single player in the game with a Gold Grab or Elixir Escapade over 2 Bill., there's only a few handfuls over 1 billion, which means it's feasibly impossible to obtain anywhere near enough resource by raiding. Understood?

I will agree with you on this, it does seem like gold is more rare to find while raiding, I do notice that as well, however that is because as a general population on Clash, gold is more frequently spent, and is therefore scarce, making it, by definition, more valuable.

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Originally Posted by archerm3

Dude...


BTW my college degree was 20 years ago...so its likely i've forgotten more than you have ever learned.

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PS. I've never met a 40 something who still uses "Dude", who doesn't punctuate sentences correctly, who doesn't use appropriate apostrophes, who can't figure out the proper form of "There, Their, or They're" and who also doesn't know how an economy is defined.
I don't disbelieve you have your degree, but I do believe that it's probably written on a napkin from your local area community college.

Goodnight all!

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Originally Posted by dahimi

In order for there to be an economy, the prices of goods need to be set according to the principles of supply and demand. CoC doesn't have an economy because the participants, the players, have no way of negotiating that. It doesn't matter how much or how little gold is available, the buildings are always a fixed price as is the gem exchange rate.

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Go negotiate the price of gasoline on a desolate highway gas station. Negotiate the price of your property taxes on your house. Negotiate your sales taxes. Negotiate your income taxes for that matter. Negotiation is not a prerequisite for an economy. Supply and demand works only in a FREE TRADE ECONOMY. There are other economies besides that.

Buying buildings after a th upgrade nowhere near as frequent of a transaction as raiding. Raiding is where the resources are moved back and forth. Noone here is sitting on shield 24/7/365 building towns off of mines and collectors.