Revenge strike

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January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

Revenge strike

Hi everyone,
I have a request about revenge, in it's current format it is pretty much useless and I had given up on it immediately after joining.
They are either online or under a shield.
By the time you can revenge attack it has been 5 days, when they have spent all the resources they have taken from you and it is pointless to revenge attack.

The revenge attack should over ride both shield and online except if they are fighting for obvious reasons or the function should just be deleted.

I waited for 4.5 hours to revenge attack a guy who had nearly 6 mil in resources. He was online that whole time building armies and fighting constantly he had a spell factory speed up and then sped up 1 barracks and could fight every 10-15 minutes. After 4 hours and 22 attacks and over 2 mil in resources collected, the spell factory speed up finished and he went offline allowing me to collect and put him in a shield for 16 hours so no one else could revenge him.
The next day, before his shield ran out he spent the lot.
i guess I was lucky that I was able to revenge him and someone hadn't already done so.

i think it would help the game if all it's facilities were available to it's players.
January 2nd, 2014
dahimi

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Originally Posted by Halliwell23

Hi everyone,
I have a request about revenge, in it's current format it is pretty much useless and I had given up on it immediately after joining.
They are either online or under a shield.
By the time you can revenge attack it has been 5 days, when they have spent all the resources they have taken from you and it is pointless to revenge attack.

The revenge attack should over ride both shield and online except if they are fighting for obvious reasons or the function should just be deleted.

I waited for 4.5 hours to revenge attack a guy who had nearly 6 mil in resources. He was online that whole time building armies and fighting constantly he had a spell factory speed up and then sped up 1 barracks and could fight every 10-15 minutes. After 4 hours and 22 attacks and over 2 mil in resources collected, the spell factory speed up finished and he went offline allowing me to collect and put him in a shield for 16 hours so no one else could revenge him.
The next day, before his shield ran out he spent the lot.
i guess I was lucky that I was able to revenge him and someone hadn't already done so.

i think it would help the game if all it's facilities were available to it's players.

No way. Think about this a bit. It would be a disaster.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

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Originally Posted by dahimi

No way. Think about this a bit. It would be a disaster.

Enlighten me as to why it would be a disaster and any worse than the current system?

Well I am still waiting for over 7 hours to attack naming1212 I think they will be on for a while so I can wait...
they are now at full resources 4mil of each, but he remains online doodling around.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

Like I get the farming, I do it a lot.
no point in taking it if they will just take it back.

just why have the revenge option if it is unusable?

what happens if someone attacks you with a lightening spell to take say 300 DE and if I want to revenge them back to gain say 400k each of gold, elixir and 200 DE because they have they have weak defences and it is a good way to farm someone?
January 2nd, 2014
TonyRigatoni

the reason it would be a disaster is because that would mean anyone you ever attacked could revenge you at any time. Don't think of revenging from just your perspective. Think about how everyone else would use it as well. If people could revenge players online or under a shield then that would mean A) if you bought a shield, you pretty much paid for nothing, B) if you attack just 5 times a day, that's enough players to constantly revenge attack you, and most importantly C) removing the shield and online block would mean you could potentially get back-to-back revenged and you can lose most or all of your loot. This would not be fun in the least.

However, I do think removing the online block might help. Then people at least have the option to break their shield or not.
January 2nd, 2014
Julezwatts

Definitely not if said player is online. And if they've bought a shield, it's for the reason of someone NOT BEING ABLE TO ATTACK THEM. If they have the dedication to the game where they stay on and save up for an upgrade, it's their decision. You could be using the same time to find an equally rich base on matchmaking...
January 2nd, 2014
dahimi

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Originally Posted by TonyRigatoni

the reason it would be a disaster is because that would mean anyone you ever attacked could revenge you at any time. Don't think of revenging from just your perspective. Think about how everyone else would use it as well. If people could revenge players online or under a shield then that would mean A) if you bought a shield, you pretty much paid for nothing, B) if you attack just 5 times a day, that's enough players to constantly revenge attack you, and most importantly C) removing the shield and online block would mean you could potentially get back-to-back revenged and you can lose most or all of your loot. This would not be fun in the least.

However, I do think removing the online block might help. Then people at least have the option to break their shield or not.

The online block is because the village cannot be modified while being attacked. Let's say you have 1m gold and someone attacks you while online. What happens if you spend all of the gold while they attack? They either force you to wait, just like they do if you attempt to log on whole being attacked; or stop deducting lost loot from the defender.

Option 1 would be ridiculously annoying. Option 2 would break the game.
January 2nd, 2014
dahimi

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Originally Posted by Halliwell23

Like I get the farming, I do it a lot.
no point in taking it if they will just take it back.

just why have the revenge option if it is unusable?

what happens if someone attacks you with a lightening spell to take say 300 DE and if I want to revenge them back to gain say 400k each of gold, elixir and 200 DE because they have they have weak defences and it is a good way to farm someone?

SC has said the revenge option is not about loot. If you want to revenge someone, you have to catch them at the right time.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

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Originally Posted by dahimi

SC has said the revenge option is not about loot. If you want to revenge someone, you have to catch them at the right time.

I have to ask, do you guys revenge strike everyone or only select players or none at all?

if so, why do you revenge them?
or what makes a player acceptable to exact revenge on?
If not why do you not revenge anyone?

Design error, you cannot catch high active players at anytime let alone at the right time..
It happened again to me yesterday, I had to wait over 8 hours for the player to go offline. His resources were full at 4 mil each with all his builder occupied at about 2 hours, 6 hours and 54 battles later they went offline.

unless there is a motive to revenge someone people aren't going to revenge strike anyone if they have a loss of resources from it, they already lost resources when they got attacked, why lose more?

Maybe if they had a win loss ratio challenge, but there is not. To loose an attack means nothing it's not even recorded anywhere.
So really then the revenge strike is redundant and should be deleted.

Buying shields???
Never done it, does it still work if you attack someone or does it deactivate? I imagine they would not let you attack whilst under a purchased shield.
easiest way to get your resources up is to raid your way not generating it out of your collectors hiding under a shield.

The revenge strike should be about PAY BACK and have a severity to it, maybe it could give the troops and spells back after the revenge.
January 2nd, 2014
Prometheusgenius

Sometimes you have to grin and bear through it.
January 2nd, 2014
dahimi

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Originally Posted by Halliwell23

I have to ask, do you guys revenge strike everyone or only select players or none at all?

if so, why do you revenge them?
or what makes a player acceptable to exact revenge on?
If not why do you not revenge anyone?

Design error, you cannot catch high active players at anytime let alone at the right time..
It happened again to me yesterday, I had to wait over 8 hours for the player to go offline. His resources were full at 4 mil each with all his builder occupied at about 2 hours, 6 hours and 54 battles later they went offline.

unless there is a motive to revenge someone people aren't going to revenge strike anyone if they have a loss of resources from it, they already lost resources when they got attacked, why lose more?

Maybe if they had a win loss ratio challenge, but there is not. To loose an attack means nothing it's not even recorded anywhere.
So really then the revenge strike is redundant and should be deleted.

Buying shields???
Never done it, does it still work if you attack someone or does it deactivate? I imagine they would not let you attack whilst under a purchased shield.
easiest way to get your resources up is to raid your way not generating it out of your collectors hiding under a shield.

The revenge strike should be about PAY BACK and have a severity to it, maybe it could give the troops and spells back after the revenge.

To be honest I typically ignore my revenge list. It's sort of a fun feature especially for mano-a-mano type attacks between forumers. In general, though, most folks are not available to be attacked all that much. That's just how the game works and it is designed that way so you don't lose all of your resources and trophies when you are done playing for the day.

I did propose the idea that revenges should ignore the loot penalty, but SC shot it down.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

Also if you bought a shield to protect you from attacks is fine and should do as it is supposed to.

We are talking about a revenge strike NOT an attack and should have no affect on the shield you have just purchased. Therefore you are not wasting any gems.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

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Originally Posted by dahimi

To be honest I typically ignore my revenge list. It's sort of a fun feature especially for mano-a-mano type attacks between forumers. In general, though, most folks are not available to be attacked all that much. That's just how the game works and it is designed that way so you don't lose all of your resources and trophies when you are done playing for the day.

I did propose the idea that revenges should ignore the loot penalty, but SC shot it down.

Why do you choose to ignore your revenge list and not use the feature?
January 2nd, 2014
Julezwatts

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Originally Posted by Halliwell23

Why do you choose to ignore your revenge list and not use the feature?

On revenge, people are either online or have a shield. You rarely find people in revenge who you can attack. It's much easier to train an army and go attack people than it is to create an army specifically to revenge someone and wait for them to be offline or for their shield to expire.
January 2nd, 2014
Halliwell23

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Originally Posted by Julezwatts

On revenge, people are either online or have a shield. You rarely find people in revenge who you can attack. It's much easier to train an army and go attack people than it is to create an army specifically to revenge someone and wait for them to be offline or for their shield to expire.

Cool, so the same reason as me and I imagine 99% of the playing population. I say 1% for new players who have not realised this yet.

You don't use it because it does not work in it's current format, it's too hard to use and by the sounds of it they are reluctant to change it.

SC - I have a new option for revenge strikes.. DELETION..
January 2nd, 2014
dahimi

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Originally Posted by Halliwell23

Cool, so the same reason as me and I imagine 99% of the playing population. I say 1% for new players who have not realised this yet.

You don't use it because it does not work in it's current format, it's too hard to use and by the sounds of it they are reluctant to change it.

SC - I have a new option for revenge strikes.. DELETION..

I think most would agree that the revenge feature is not the most used thing. The problem is if you want to change that, you have to come up with ways of doing it that wouldn't also severely impact game play.