Omnium - Discussion and progression

Some good points, the thing i have picked up on is omnium being desirable. Being honest i dont think it is right now. This is evidenced in the last few days, i upped the trophy requirements to 1800, we had great players join and then leave five minutes later. I'm not saying this wont happen as you will always have hoppers but not as many as we have had. Secondly we have gone to war today and people have half empty war castles. Somehow peoples commitment etc is not showing, last war i donated 5 wizards to everyone which almost filled everyone and a couple of others finshed castles off, this time i have 20 troops out of possible 30.

i think we should keep omnium 2 there with the proposed second account of someone looking after it (dylan) but we need to be strict with both clans on requirements, rules etc.

dk

The main problem in Omnium 2 is that there is no communication between members. You can stay for hours and noone will say hi to you. Even when you donate troops no way somebody to thank you. Very strange....I gave the period of 24 hours for members to enter the league(after 5 days) otherwise they will be kicked and I sent that message via clan mail. Co-leader starting the war 5 hours after that. And now i will be forced to kicked members during the war. I wanted (my way) to ask co leader isnt it better to cancel war searching, to clear out clan from inactive ...no answer again. 3 hours after preparation war started all war clan castles are empty.
It is not activity only in question. It is attitude towards people, game, life.....But what can we do when co leader or elder do not communicate between each other? How can you make a deal?

I think that it is going to be big clear out......and i suggest to raise donation to 150 weekly and 300 per season.

Just for now.

any suggestions?

nem

Some good discussion.

Thinking further about this since my post yesterday; I think we need to, first and foremost, establish why we want a second clan.

If the answer is to provide new players to Omnium, then we need to change both the structure of Omnium and the promotions from Omnium 2.

If we want to simply extend the Omnium family, then I think we've done that - albeit there is a lack of that family feeling given the lack of communication both as Nem has pointed out in Omnium 2 and between clans.

I think dk, you have a point. We need to make Omnium more desirable a clan. We should be at a stage where we are turning good players away because we have even better players who we want to bring up from Omnium 2. What I think you're driving at is that we need to change Omnium before we decide what we want to do with Omnium 2.


I'd like to see Bruce contribute here. When he left Gekos he joined a clan which was rigid in it's implementation of rules. It had a huge presence outside the in-game-chat and they coordinated themselves such that people were kicked if the the elders and leaders deemed them not worthy.
I don't think that any of us (Co-leaders and Elders) want to take the game quite that seriously - I for one don't have the time - so I think that the balance is somewhere in the middle.
Finally, we should remember why we set up Omnium in the first place - we didn't like the inactivity of xxdubzxx and co. at Gekos. Where I think I was distracted by Beechy was exactly that and we've ended up being tied up in trying to grow the clan into something we don't necessarily want.

To conclude;
Let's pause the decision on Omnium 2 until we have discussed Omnium itself. Let's review our rules in such a way that we can encourage even more active players. Now that we have progressed a little (we could never have imagined being able to attract and keep a Master I league player when we first set up (I think I was still in the Silver league!)) so we should increase the requirements.

To that end, I propose the following rule changes:
1) Minimum donations to be raised from 300 to 500 per league
2) Must be active in every clan war, unless dropping a message to a co-leader or on this forum.
3) *NEW* must enter a league within 48 hours after it starts.

As ever, discussion to continue....but let's aim for implementation in the next league.

I'm interested, ign Robin banks, level 72 th8

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Originally Posted by Robbinbanks

I'm interested, ign Robin banks, level 72 th8

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Thanks Robin,
Come join Omnium or Omnium 2. They are both open to all - so long as you have the right trophy count to get in.

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Originally Posted by Geko

Some good discussion.

Thinking further about this since my post yesterday; I think we need to, first and foremost, establish why we want a second clan.

If the answer is to provide new players to Omnium, then we need to change both the structure of Omnium and the promotions from Omnium 2.

If we want to simply extend the Omnium family, then I think we've done that - albeit there is a lack of that family feeling given the lack of communication both as Nem has pointed out in Omnium 2 and between clans.

I think dk, you have a point. We need to make Omnium more desirable a clan. We should be at a stage where we are turning good players away because we have even better players who we want to bring up from Omnium 2. What I think you're driving at is that we need to change Omnium before we decide what we want to do with Omnium 2.


I'd like to see Bruce contribute here. When he left Gekos he joined a clan which was rigid in it's implementation of rules. It had a huge presence outside the in-game-chat and they coordinated themselves such that people were kicked if the the elders and leaders deemed them not worthy.
I don't think that any of us (Co-leaders and Elders) want to take the game quite that seriously - I for one don't have the time - so I think that the balance is somewhere in the middle.
Finally, we should remember why we set up Omnium in the first place - we didn't like the inactivity of xxdubzxx and co. at Gekos. Where I think I was distracted by Beechy was exactly that and we've ended up being tied up in trying to grow the clan into something we don't necessarily want.

To conclude;
Let's pause the decision on Omnium 2 until we have discussed Omnium itself. Let's review our rules in such a way that we can encourage even more active players. Now that we have progressed a little (we could never have imagined being able to attract and keep a Master I league player when we first set up (I think I was still in the Silver league!)) so we should increase the requirements.

To that end, I propose the following rule changes:
1) Minimum donations to be raised from 300 to 500 per league
2) Must be active in every clan war, unless dropping a message to a co-leader or on this forum.
3) *NEW* must enter a league within 48 hours after it starts.

As ever, discussion to continue....but let's aim for implementation in the next league.

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Hey Guys,

I really like what you have all said so far and I think some of those new rules and rule changes are very much needed. I personally think that Nem and Tubba should return to Omnium and bring Zachary with them and then we shut it down. I noticed Zachary was very active in Omnium 2, he had a solid base and he did great it war. I dont want to lose him if we shut down Omnium 2.

Like Geko said Omnium needs to be the focus right now and we need to keep all our power and resources there at the moment. Currently Omnium isn't at its best or its most active and if we want to take that next step we need to up the requirements and really lock down on there implementation.

BG

Agreed base, lets bring a couple of the actives and high people up from omnium 2 to omnium. Close omnium 2 and drive omnium forward as a great active clan again. Set the bar high, i think level 70 upwards is what we should be looking at. People lower than that can stay but newbies must be above lvl70. Keep donations 300 per season but ensure everyone is in leagues when new season starts with in 2 days. Once we get decision and rules we then need to discuss war strategy and rules as we are clearly lacking in that area also

[QUOTE=Evad;2865517]Agreed base, lets bring a couple of the actives and high people up from omnium 2 to omnium. Close omnium 2 and drive omnium forward as a great active clan again. Set the bar high, i think level 70 upwards is what we should be looking at. People lower than that can stay but newbies must be above lvl70. Keep donations 300 per season but ensure everyone is in leagues when new season starts with in 2 days. Once we get decision and rules we then need to discuss war strategy and rules as we are clearly lacking in that

sounds good

Thanks for the input guys.

Ok - seems like we are agreed that we need to close down Omnium 2 and concentrate on the main clan for the time being. I'd rather not see Omnium die a slow death (like Gekos) so we'll go in and actually shut it down I think.

@Nem: if you're reading this, please put out a com on clan mail to that affect.

@dk: I think we need to seriously look at Omnium and what we like / don't like. At the moment there are some average players who don't donate much more than 300 per league. I'm questioning whether that is enough for a truly active clan - especially when we're aiming for all members to be lvl70 or more.

I can agree to keep to 300 if we look at the implementation of another rule to curb those that don't make much more than the minimum. For example, we have JJ who is lvl75 and has only 14 donations this league. I know that he's not that new because he doesn't have the 'new' flag next to his name. I think we should introduce a 200 donations in the first week of the league rule. That way, people are forced to do the most donating either as soon as they enter the clan, or as soon as the league starts. So, instead of people donating at the end of the league to make the minimum, the clan appears more active from the start of the league. I also don't think this will be hard to police as, like the 300 per league rule, we can implement somewhere within the last 12 hours of the league.

As ever, thoughts welcomed. We have just over 5 days to solidify our thoughts, 2 days to communicate, then implement at the start of the next league.

I agree with everything that you guys have said. I for one also think that omnium 2 should be shut down as we rushed into that after thinking we had a solid first clan. I also believe that 300 donations is a fine amount as people are barely reaching that mark such as me for when I have school and what not. It's a little bit harder for me to be active because of that reason but I still try as hard as I can to get on. Also I do think that we need to be harder on the clan than as is now and I'm still trying my hardest to get to champion so that we can attract better and stronger players. I for one believe that having a solid clan will lead to the best rather than having 2 unstable clans. I also believe that everytime I get on to play there are hardly any people online. I'm not too sure if that's because they're too shy to talk or if it's because no one is active at that time but I also believe that there are a couple people in omnium that have yet to talk yet and I think that those people should be booted. I also think that people who can't crack down on war should be booted because I saw our last war and we only had 38 attacks. I'm not sure if that's because of time issues or what not but I just think that 38 attacks is absolutely outrageous and embarassing as a clan of almost 50. Point being. I think we need to really sit down and think of the future of omnium first.