The problem with loot is not the amount available but the distribution of this amount

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Originally Posted by rynoster

LOL!! So why can't the rest do the same then - no one is forcing anyone to raid storages? 5mil a day is MORE than enough.

Relax dude... have one of these.

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What? aside from the fact that this is both, not the way the game should be played and the most boring way to play??

oh yeah, you've heard of the phrase 'not enough to go round'?

there is little need to ask your computer screen to relax. particularly when it gives an excellent point for you to read and ignore at your choosing. ;)

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Originally Posted by Foufoumoro

My god how are you not understading?
I make 5m a day from INACTIVE BASES LOOTING COLLECTORS.

This was not affected by the loot system update !!!!!
It's as much beneficial as before.

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Well unless you are a lower TH attacking a higher TH's collectors, then yes, this was impacted, big time.

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Originally Posted by Foufoumoro

Ok let's assume you're not totally acting stupid and may understand what I'm saying.

Before update, loot was good, ok?
I managed to make 5m a day attacking. But the problem was, and I agree with SC on that, the loot system was old and not efficient, as we had better benefits attacking inactive bases rather than attacking fellow active clashers and looting their storages, because the loot limit, 200k, did not encourage us to take some risk attacking some highly developped bases.

So their goal was to make attacks on active bases more attractive by increasing loot limit. And this was ALL GOOD .. up until they nerfed the loot percentage.
Increasing the loot limit is good as it encourages people to quit the inactive bases raids for more "dynamics" raids between active players. But by reducing the loot percentage (from 20 to 10%), they made a huge mistake : most attractive bases (200k/200K minimum) disapeared as they were bases with people having approx 1M ressource in their storages.
Problem is that post update, the majority of player, who got ressources in their storages from 1M to 1M5, became totally worthless targets as they appear as ~100k loot bases, which is terrible and not beneficial.
And the whole point of complaining about new loot system is that mathematically, the VERY FEW people logging out with more than 3M in their storages cant make up with the overall nerf of all the majority of people who appeared as 200K bases before update and now appear as 100k base.


And what I was saying is that yes, loot is good. Loot is as good as before, because of inactive bases.
I'm still using barch, and I'm still making 5M a day attacking inactive full collectors bases (I have trouble finding inactivre bases though since barracks boost came out but manage to maintain 5M a day with boosted barracks).
But loot system is broken.
And it requires some intelligence to be able to say: yes MY loot is good, but I know for sure that LOOT SYSTEM is broken and non-efficient for most players.

That's what most people around here defending loot system can't realize by lack of insight: yes you can have good benefits with full hogs or miniballs armies, more than before.
But what they dont realize is that for 1 [person] having increased loot via full raids on full storages bases, there are 9 other people complaining because they can't find any decent 200k base with their mid-tier armies.
Overall the loot system is broken, and most people dont enjoy it...
What I do know is that I was expecting a new loot system which would incent me to quit inactive loot for more active loot, which would add dynamism into the game and what would have been great.
instead, what I see, is a failure: the loot system favors 20% top maxed players who can afford to make some very expensive armies like full hogs or full balloonions (not everybody has these troops lvl 6), but is a pain in the ♥♥♥ of other 80% players who saw their loot decrease because there are no more 200k base to be found: everybody rely on inactive bases to get loot, thus inactives bases are rarer, and thus, every body loses.
Except for the few chosen who have max armies and luck with targets.

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Well said! This is my third ever post, been playing since summer 2012.
SUPERCELL FIX THE LOOT SYSTEM! Pressing "next" close to 100 times, now if I find a 200k gold target I would be thrilled! Before the update I would of never touched that poor loot!

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Originally Posted by Keywal

What? aside from the fact that this is both, not the way the game should be played and the most boring way to play??

oh yeah, you've heard of the phrase 'not enough to go round'?

there is little need to ask your computer screen to relax. particularly when it gives an excellent point for you to read and ignore at your choosing. ;)

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Let's remember that the actual point of the game is to trophy hunt. Farmers (and I'm a farmer), don't really have the right to complain, given what SuperCell is trying to do, i.e. make money. The original post on the new loot system speaks to troops costing more than what can be raided. Farmers generally don't have this problem because they don't need high level troops, so, this is to make cup hunters more happy - as generally the norm is 50% trophy raids nowadays - most of the time you should get half the storages - attacking a fully loaded TH10 is then 200k of each.

I'm not saying the loot system is perfect, SuperCell has already taken a step in the right direction. For everyone to expect things to be perfect from day 1 of the change is ridiculous. Taking risks in this industry with such a big game is uncommon and I applaud SuperCell for trying. Look at COD - nothing of the core gameplay has changed for many years. Every year people complain that it's the same boring game, yet almost every year they break sales records and have a solid online community. I'm getting sick and tired of seeing 5 threads a day started by people complaining - most of these people have not spent a cent on anything, the rest a bare minimum.

Yeah, because I posted a picture there for myself to read.... Look back and see who raged first dude. ;)

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Originally Posted by Eraser2013

Well said! This is my third ever post, been playing since summer 2012.
SUPERCELL FIX THE LOOT SYSTEM! Pressing "next" close to 100 times, now if I find a 200k gold target I would be thrilled! Before the update I would of never touched that poor loot!

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This was the case before the update as well, nothing new. More often than not it's just being at the wrong trophy level at the wrong time. Things get back to "normal" eventually.

I have consistently been raiding the same or more amount of gold per day after the update I did before the update and spending less time doing so - that works for me.

I'm at 700k, once I hit 1 mil, I get 1 more wall

I can only really speak personaly and for the members that are farming in my clan today when I say:

Next Next Next.... ...

It seems less than 1 in 100 towns below (almost maxed defence) th9 have anywhere near the cap, you can attack these towns but need to take a very fine army and as many spells as possible, this means loot per hour is terrible. Its been bad since the loot update but (again personaly speaking) has been getting worse and worse. As someone rightfully said this game is meant for gemming, those Japanese dudes didn't spend all that money so we could all farm our bases to max now did they.

If you want loot to improve I'm sorry to say that there is absolutely no point making these sort of threads about it, no matter how well thought out they are OP. Its clear to me that the loot update has done exactly what SC wanted, its no accident, they are not incompetant and the game is probably experiencing higher gems sales than ever as a result of the new loot system. If this gem bonanza will last well into next year for SC is anybody's guess.

In regards to the thread, I try my hardest to keep gold to less than a million, I have one more 7million upgrade and after that most of the time I should be able to keep gold much lower than the cap (just like most other players without disco balls). I want to max Th9 so have months and months for my builders to complete the defense upgrades while the wall and heros become maxed, so no rush for me.

Sorry I just cant help myself, a final word on the update:
I'm personaly very much less likely to spend more money on the game than ever, given the way that SC has tried to manipulated me into doing so. When it finaly does get to the stage that you must spend cash to progress in any freemium mobile game (I was alway suspicious of any product with free written anywhere near it) you can be sure the game is already or just about to be dead.

Anyone started playing SC new amazing freemium game boom beach yet?

People who voted >4m because that's what they had yesterday clearly don't understand statistics and are spoiling the effort to get a genuine view. The problem is that the 4m+ bases are not evenly distributed. From anecdotal accounts i believe that people are putting more gold into walls and leaving themselves less exposed to big raids unless they feel that their bases is strong enough to repel them.

I am a TH10 with >4m gold at the moment but I haven't had a 'serious' raid in the last week. My TH is outside but it can be an hour or more before it is sniped so there is plenty of opportunity for people to have a go.

my personal experience is that while the US is asleep, I can find active and collector bases to raid within, say, 50 nexts but in my evening, when I get most chance to raid, the US is awake and I can be searching 150-200 times for a raid. Yes, I can change ranges, and I do. This isn't a TH10 sympathy-seeking post; just a statement about the loot distribution and the effect of increased activity, exacerbated by the current barracks-boost.

what surprises me with the loot changes made is that they were dramatic. Recently, SUPERCELL have been making more modest, incremental changes; the Giant buffs and Hog nerfs being great examples. I don't understand why they didn't do the same with the loot. CoC is a very complex system and dramatic changes will inevitably have dramatic consequences, as we are seeing at the moment

every few hours i have >4mil and then it's gone...so i don't know what to vote really... i have 1mil, 2mil, 3mil, 4mil several times a day....arrhhhhhhhh there's no right answer!!

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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge

how hilarious. Stop whining. System is better than ever. You want me to vote what I have now to prove that the system is bad. I voted over 4 million! How's that? Yes I do get 4 million in a day. You need to step up and farm harder.

Oh and btw... You are not an advanced TH9 player, let's just say that.

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Honestly you can't say someone isn't an advanced th9 when you're a premmie th10. Also yes the new system is great for YOU. The update and loot system was made for th10's. I'd like to see if you were still saying the system is great if you were losing over 300 k gold every defense from being attacked by a higher th lvl.

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Originally Posted by rynoster

You are saying only people with full hogs or full loonions are getting good loot, yet you get 5mil a day with barbarians and archers?

I've done 4mil today so far, only 5pm, only 2 of the raids the gold was in storages, rest all in collectors. And not much searching I might add.

I'm seeing way better loot than before the update. I think the problem is holding on to raided loot with premature and/or non-farming bases.

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The whole point of the update was to encourage storage raids, but as the OP, most others bragging about their loot, and you yourself point out, the vast majority of "big" raids are still on inactive bases. Whatever you may think of the current loot availability, the new system appears to have failed in its intent.