[Discuss] How should SuperCell address the loot issues and upcoming updates?

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Originally Posted by JacobP

-add an achievement for leveling collectors
-add level 12 collectors for Th9&10
3600-4000 production rate
150k-200k storage capacity

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The first three are listed in the original post. The 4th one, I don't agree with. Care to elaborate on why you feel we need to go back to old caps?

My reasons against it are that once there is proper loot in the system (ie they fix the broken loot production scheme) most people will return to their proper trophy range and then everyone will actually be able to save up slightly easier for those big upgrades. Sure, you'll lose 350k once in awhile but you'll have lots of opportunities to make it back.

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Originally Posted by AntarcticTern

Great thread :)

Collectors should definetely have more incentive to be upgraded.

Better collectors = More Loot in the system = People are happy :)

The new loot system upgrade is great, now all we need is a loot production upgrade, as the collector system is somewhat outdated.

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I'm glad we agree. Once a proper loot production system is in place, I feel like it will fix a lot of the issues we are seeing at this very moment.

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Originally Posted by PhilISuppose

I agree but would add

• 1d. Introduce a new level of collector/mine

It is silly that with collectors/mines a TH7 can create the same amount of loot as a TH9 but a TH9 has higher costs.
It's just never been updated as the game has progressed.

The proof for 1c. is that the ONLY update without raging "WHAT HAPPENED TO THE LOOT?!?!?!" threads (ok, as MANY threads anyway) was the Birthday upgrade with the cheaply boosted mines and collectors.

I have posted b, c and d on several posts before in one form or another, in the hope that SC are looking.
An achievement might help too of course, but not something I am too fussed about personally.

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I agree with that point. It would be nice for upper level town halls to have more collectors and mines. However, I don't know how much more space we have on our bases. If they put too many objects on our base, many of the mid-level devices won't be able to handle the game without lagging excessively.

I too have posted about many of the points elsewhere in the forum. Unfortunately SuperCell sees zero value in constructive critiques.

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Originally Posted by daz258

Great post.

However I am not too bothered by troop & spell train time. I only hope that barracks get a more sustainable gem boost option post update [like spell factory a 4 hr variety]. Time should always favour gems.

Loot however, has gone downhill for months. And SuperCell made it worse by making troops train faster and not add any additional loot with the boost. Blatant fail in basic economics.

Please add 'reduce search fees' to your suggestions. Do not discount how the damage the excessive 'nexts' cause to the global loot available. Which is a double kick in the balls as on bad days everyone hits next even more. Making it even worse for everyone else.

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I wish I could feel the same way, a lot of my heavy attacks rely on spells. Waiting 2+ hours for spells is excessive in my mind. I agree that people who gem it should have an advantage, but all in all I think they could use a time decrease across the board.

Agreed, loot has been pitiful for awhile. Letting those with little loot steal more from those who've been saving it up isn't going to solve the issue. Sure, it'll make it so there is more 'average' loot across the board but it is essentially the same amount of loot in the system. They really need to place a proper loot production system in the game.

I'm on the line about whether search fees should be reduced. Here is why, if they fix the loot system, we are now able to get up to 400k per battle. Assuming the loot production is fixed, it won't be hard to find battles (so we won't be hitting next 50 times to find one raid). This will make the search costs more bearable. I do feel like they need to kick the search costs back into the system though rather than tossing it out like they do currently.

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Originally Posted by Sinful

Nice organized thread OP

Supercell doesn't have anything to fix, they said give it 2-3 weeks for the loot update to take full effect.

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Haha, then they will blame the lack of loot on the next update because "loot is always bad when an update comes out"

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Originally Posted by VillageVandal

'Relatively close' is not exact though. Anyways, the loot is relatively close to fine. Leave it as it is.

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There are a few hundred pages of upsets forumers that say otherwise.

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Originally Posted by shivampaw

I have been thinking where the gold we use to search goes. If they reduce the search cost for town halls above 7 to 300 FIXED then it will encourage people to upgrade town halls. Also how about instead of the 300 gold vanishing it goes to the player who was skipped?

+1

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If you take time to read the initial post, you'll see that is exactly what I mention. :p

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Originally Posted by shivampaw

nah they said about 4 days

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Of course they did. They had no clue how long it would actually take. We could wait here for years to see if it fixes itself, but it won't. They are aware that loot production rate needs a tweak, but something is keeping them from doing this and they won't give us the real reason.

My 2 cents.


I agree the loot production needs an update. Either with incentive to upgrade said collectors (easy fix) or just give us more levels on those collectors. Its been frozen between TH8-9 and TH10 only gets an additional collector of each type, with the exception of DE it isn't much.


Troop build times - I agree, in part. Dragons, I think are fine but PEKKA and Golems take 45 minutes for even one. But if we adjusted those to say 30 minutes then we'd have to adjust dragons. Balloons and wizards have been adjusted and I think they are fine. For witches I won't comment because I haven't used them much.

So personally I think a cap build time of 30 minutes would be nice. I am willing to wait a half an hour but after that my patience is gone.




Spell Times - Same as above. Perhaps going with 20 minutes and 30 minutes. The jump spell should be lowered as its not as good as a rage. Not a big change but it would help.



I think this would have to be done carefully. As reducing the big ticket troops too much would also mean we are facing them more but with the latest update we kind of need to at least include a few big hitters for the average player to participate.

I agree with pretty much everything in this thread; in fact it sums up my exact thoughts on improving the loot system. Could you perhaps link this "Quests that Reward Players (Mastermind's example is perfect)" ?
Thanks

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Originally Posted by NioTheDreamer

My 2 cents.


I agree the loot production needs an update. Either with incentive to upgrade said collectors (easy fix) or just give us more levels on those collectors. Its been frozen between TH8-9 and TH10 only gets an additional collector of each type, with the exception of DE it isn't much.


Troop build times - I agree, in part. Dragons, I think are fine but PEKKA and Golems take 45 minutes for even one. But if we adjusted those to say 30 minutes then we'd have to adjust dragons. Balloons and wizards have been adjusted and I think they are fine. For witches I won't comment because I haven't used them much.

So personally I think a cap build time of 30 minutes would be nice. I am willing to wait a half an hour but after that my patience is gone.




Spell Times - Same as above. Perhaps going with 20 minutes and 30 minutes. The jump spell should be lowered as its not as good as a rage. Not a big change but it would help.



I think this would have to be done carefully. As reducing the big ticket troops too much would also mean we are facing them more but with the latest update we kind of need to at least include a few big hitters for the average player to participate.

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For me it pretty much sums up to when i can have my army ready for the next attack.. Meaning, troops made, spells ready and heroes done sleeping.

And waiting 2-3 hours for next attack is just crazy, this should at max be 1 hour.. So heavy reduction in heroes sleep to 1 hour max, small reduction on spells to fit 1 hour too.. And same with troops.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

Brace yourselves, this is a long post.

Well, I've made numerous posts on what should have happened, but it seems like they've gone ignored. SuperCell has been doing an awesome job at dodging the topic lately, so I'm not making this thread for their benefit. I'm making it so we can have an organized discussion on what we think should change.


I'll start off.

I believe these are the following issues that need to be addressed:

Lack of loot in the system

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I appear to be in the minority on this, but I really don't feel like there is a lack of loot in the system. 2 days ago I was able to get 3 million gold in a little more than 2 hours. Yesterday I spent the same amount of time and got less than a million. I would have the same type of thing happen before the update as well. Some days you get really lucky and others you don't.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

Troop times take too long to build

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Overall I would have to agree with you. The 1 gem boost has been great recently, but it would be nice if a few of the troop times came down a little bit. I'm thinking Wizards and Balloons - 5 min, Healers and Valkyrie - 10 min, Dragon - 20 min, PEKKA and Golem - 30 min. I'm not at Witches yet but I see they take 20 min. That seems okay but I guess you could shave that down to 10 or 15 min.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

Spell times take too long to build

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I'm totally with you on this one. I think spell times should at least be cut in half. Waiting on them is pretty brutal at times and I often skip on some raids because my troops finish up well before my spells do.

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Originally Posted by Exiists

Updates need to be impressive. [last two weren't]

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I don't think every update needs to be mind-blowing, but I think a lot of the potential features you listed would be cool.

Great post op.

i fear we are writing just to ourselves tho, I don't believe supercell even play their own game otherwise they would have worked out that having collector levels maxxed at th8 worked out, but th10 with upgrades costing 8m a IT someone somewhere must have said hey we need to look at this.

its my opinion the clash of clans team is too busy working on boom beach trying to get another cash cow.

big mistake! It's nowhere near as good as clash of clans. All they are doing now is alienating themselves from their customers by not responding to complaints.

i for sure will not be buying any gems for the foreseeable future and I urge everyone to reconsider buying them, it's the only way they will take notice.

Insightful post, and well thought out...wait, OP has been banned? What for? :confused:

good post to bring things onto the table. why is the OP banned?

Very good and well thought out post. However, i don't agree with a few things.

1. Increasing loot production will not really help overall. if you increase lvl 11 production by 1000/hr there is only a 144,000 difference ((3000*24)6=432,000 vs. (4000*24)6=576,000). you can get that in a raid or two max. adding 2 collectors and mines each would be the same as increasing the loot production by 1000/hr. maybe if you got both increased number of collectors and production per hour it would be a little better ((4000*24)8=768,000 per day) but i don't think its a long term solution

2. i can't really comment on this as i haven't fully trophy pushed yet but it would be nice to reduce dragon and wizard cook times but it may make raiding too easy because you'll get attacked by stronger troops more often.

3. Also can't really comment because i don't trophy push but they have reduced it before, but it may make raiding much easier and you'll lose more loot than before.

4. i totally agree they need to bring in fresh content, whether it be new troops or new single player levels or added features to do while you wait for your troops to cook, there's opportunites for supercell to capitalize on this.

great post overall.

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Originally Posted by deifieduandi

good post to bring things onto the table. why is the OP banned?

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