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- Clans will be ranked based on WINS.
- 1st tie breaker based on Attack Stars
- 2nd tie breaker based on Destruction %.
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- Clans will be ranked based on WINS.
- 1st tie breaker based on Attack Stars
- 2nd tie breaker based on Destruction %.
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Congratulations!
Cool! Will your YouTube channel be doing a CWL again? I enjoyed watching it.
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Originally Posted by JtB
We will be bringing livestreams back, but not in the same way we did the first 3 seasons of the Clan War Leagues. We're still getting everything set up for the World Championships so a lot of the video content will be centered around the road to the ESL finals.
Dark Looters! Its crazy always seeing Chinese(?) clans always taking first place. Are they fair play Darian?
First, let's avoid the racial connotations in that statement.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAsh
Second, yes we've vetted these results to make sure no win-trading/collusion, or any other funny stuff has been going on.
Can you upload their awesome war attacks vdo on youtube or when we can watch it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
Glad to see the quick adjustment away from net stars which seemed problematic!
Racial connotations? Can you let me know how you define that? I looked it up and could not find how this is connected to my statement,
The fact that these maybe Chinese clans (I am not sure what language that is) keep taking the top spots is a general observation. Also, the fact that the last top ten results were not accurate because of clans facing banned opponents.
I have always been a big fan of yours as a community manager but, this statement has changed my mind on that. I would rather people assume the best intentions then try to dig and find the dirt.
Just for peace of mind, it wasn't meant to be an accusation. More of a cautionary statement for others to make sure they behave instead of pointing accusing fingers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrAsh
Fair. My faith in you has been restored. Thanks for all that you do for the game and community.
Is there any way to see a slightly expanded list beyond the top 10? We finished with 210 stars in Champs 1 and I am curious how we compare to everyone else. Thanks!
Darian, can you please elaborate what "other funny stuff" means here?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
I wonder how many players were banned from these clans.
Looking over your friend's shoulder, sneaking out late at night, underage drinking, dancing under the moonlight without music in the background. You know...funny stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by DrinCoC
I think is a pretty fair question to ask if someone is fair play considering the last list.
was there more vetting done this time?
I dont care if chinese, Australian, Somalian or icelandian folks took the list, it’s just good to know that if you spend time making a list it’s a well representation of the best.
Great! Thank you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
This is a better way to rank the top 10. I think I had suggested only using the first place teams from each league (no 2nd place team should be in the top 10), but anyway I like the change to use wins as the first criteria and the chance of a 2nd place team making it are pretty low anyway I would guess.
Chinese clans rule! Half the table of them.
No. 1 clans suffered again from three bans today. And according to clashofstats all members have left the clan today, the clan level is not shown, which means the clan had a level 20+. The clan does not exist anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Obviously the bans are currently happening, now they have 4 bans.
Lets wait for onyx to post the complete data on the feb cwl
They’ve been vetted but keep in mind there’s probably no way for SC to tell if people are using private servers. The results could still possibly be skewed.
Watch Feb CWL’s 3 star attacks from the #2 clan, MaoDou. Video is being uploaded as I’m typing here. https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC2AWawltPmkvZxzJcWjSMYw
Any chance the clan tag for the #1 clan is wrong? When I search it in game I get “no results found”.
Congrats to forum member iGroot for top 10 (war agency). Well done!
Great. Hopefully there will be some changes in usual cwl ranking also.
The clan tag is correct, the clan is empty now, all members have left, few past members are banned at the moment. You can check it on clashofstats. Ban count is at 4 at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
I’m a bit confused by this. In iTzu’s video it shows Dark Looters having gotten 300 stars in the CWL yet none of these clans have even 240 stars. At first I thought this was still based on net stars but I don’t see net stars in the OP and forum members are saying it’s great they aren’t basing it off net stars anymore.
What kind of vetting was done by supercell then as stated by darian? Does the left hand speak to the right?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
So the #1 clan had players get banned one day after CWL ended? Also, your clan was just ranked #1 in CWL. Why disband it completely? All very confusing. Especially the bans. I’ll check it out on clashofstats. Cheers.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
I'm guessing this is attack stars, not war stars (and you get 10 additional stars for every war win). So if you ended up with 230 stars from attacking, and you won all 7 wars, you'd end up with 300 CWL stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodlyMortal
That would be including bonus stars for wins. Here itbis only actual stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by GodlyMortal
It is not my clan, i was just curious and wanted to check the number one clan, but found it empty and checked their members history after.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
Makes sense to me. 300 stars without bonuses would mean all nearly perfect wars. Which would be an impressive feat in champs 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmoore1998
Didn’t mean to imply anything. It just raises those questions in my mind when I read these things. After the first list was so... inaccurate, I was kinda surprised to see the word banned associated with any clan on this seasons list.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
No. 3 clan got 4 bans today so far, i don't know if the accounts were actively taken part in CWL though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
Sadly, #1 clan was hacked and the hacker kicked everyone and left the clan. Leader’s account was compromised somehow. They are contacting the support at the moment. Hopefully they can get it back. Regarding couple banned accounts, all due to gem refunds
Looks a bit fortuitously - top 10 ! Anyway some of these clans earns “cheap” stars.
Silly me I forgot about war win bonuses. Makes sense now.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmoore1998
I assume since the number one clan does not even exist anymore speaks volumes to the cheating they must of been doing lol
How does a clan earn “cheap” stars?Quote:
Originally Posted by ayahuasca
comparison only possible if all are maxed out
and if the parameters for the top 10 are always changing , it looks a bit strange
Just curious, how do you know about how many of them got banned and that bans are currently happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
Indirectly by checking the member history on clashofstats, accounts which do not exist ingame anymore will appear in the list without a name and without a profile image. Scan the list for big black circles. The first time i checked the list, there were 2 black circles, the last time i checked it there were 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlazeStormz123
CWL - Stranger Things Season X
Matchmaking , Wintrading , Bans
Hard to tell , which clans are really top 10
45:0 results will still have an influence on the list. But the current list is better than the one from last season.Quote:
Originally Posted by ayahuasca
How come when I search for the #1 clan all I get is "No search results found"?
Better is relative
Because the clan no longer exists. It was disbanded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Opt1musPr1me
edit: After all, there is millions in prize money at stake for the best clans once world championships star. Makes perfect sense to disband the clan though. Right?
The Purge ?
Please tell us criteria for next cwl season ? stars , netstars , wins , bans , prestige ? Would be easier before season , then after ...
I also checked the 5th and 10th clans.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
Till now, none of the 5th clan's members is banned recently, two members were banned but 1 month ago after Jan's CWL.
I'm kinda shocked about 10th clan. 7 of them are banned and they are recent bans, just today.
Wins are counting , not stars ? Strange ! You can become soccer world championship , while loosing one game
War Agency had 7 wins, so all those clans had 7 wins, so stars were the tie breaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ayahuasca
This time... maybe
Congratulations to these top 10 clans!
Not wanting to be pedantic...
OK I do want to be pedantic: how do the clans in the groups of 6 compete in a system based on totals wins and stars? I believe none of them won 5/5 this time, so they wouldn't have been troubling the top 10 even if they had 7 wars not 5, but presumably it won't take long before a clan in a group of 6 gets straight wins.
PS - having said that, this list makes a lot more sense than the one last month
Just tried to search the top clan on the list, they have folded.
Wow!!! What a huge difference!
Last season the top clan had only 55 net stars and this time everyone of them got above 200.
Is net stars the main factor to be top clan?
Our clan got around 70 and I was exciting to see if we got onto the top 10 list LOL.
Check the OP again. Net stars is no longer used. It’s based on total wins. In the event of ties, total stars then destruction % is used.Quote:
Originally Posted by sentiblue
Next time other criteria ... Maybe
Let’s call it supposed to be top
And that is Not Offensive ... but open criteria before cwl makes much more sense , then after
I like that idea as well. Should be implemented in the leagues and stars should be the tie breaker in my opinion.last cwl my clan won every single war and finished second. We even beat the first place team by a solid margin. Somehow doesn’t seem fair.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Has to do with how bunnies operate nowadays they clan jump a lot. Also it is also possible they are part of a clan family and use one clan as an event clan. My clan used an old clan several of us were part of for cwl for second accounts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bigdome757
There are dozens of way ... actually they should transparent before cwl , not after
How do you do exactly? Can you check clan no 9 for me please?Quote:
Originally Posted by higgsbosons
You can check from clashofstats.com, search for the clan putting the tag and check the members history.Quote:
Originally Posted by PolishBloke
I checked the 9th clan, till now noone.
Would it make much difference to know ahead of time? Aren't you trying to get as many stars and wins as you can either way?Quote:
Originally Posted by ayahuasca
It is a good point. Starting with all first place teams would help. At least that way no 2nd place team could be ahead of a first place team from a group of 6. That still leaves a problem of a first place team from a group of 8 having an advantage over a group of 6. I agree, though, it is a better way to calculate than last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
I think it is time for Titans 3. Let's see the first and second place teams from this season battle it out next season in Titan 3.
Changing criteria is a suitable instrument ? at statistics ? Wow
Makes sense
I think SC did it much better this time but perfect topten is only possible when everyone does fairplay.
If SC bans during cwl the list is failed because matches without opponents, If SC bans after the cwl as yet, the list involves cheaters!?
Maybe there would be a perfect list at third try, I hope cheaters get wiped out of the list - this is a Championship , when I or others in my clan do illegal things, the whole clan could get a punishment for it - If there were cheaters in topten clans sc has not only to ban accounts, they have to ban the clan from the list.
But they heard about netstars and did it better this time, thanks for that.
All critical things said about Sc and maybe there are more things but the most problems are made by players (hm dislike to call them players)
Interesting assumption equating the recent ban wave to cheating in CWL.Quote:
Originally Posted by JustPlayingCoC
Problems have to be pointed out
Just add Titan League already. Next Season there will be 550-600 clans in Champ 1. It will get flooded with mediocre clans real fast.
We're 77th/362. Not bad I guess.
It's interesting that out of 46 groups only 16 clans managed to win all 7 wars
It depends on group , sometimes you have equal opponents , sometime weak clans . 7/7 means nothing if there is no comparison
It should’ve gone to legends from the get go.Quote:
Originally Posted by MyH4oBG
Besides the banning of players in these clans being noted, the steep drop off in 3 star percentage from 1 down to 10 is also worth noting.
With #1 and #2 getting a very respectable 25.7% and 22.3% 3 star rate (assumed against max defense th12). But that percentage drops off quickly and by #8 that percentage has drooped to 11.4%. And the number #10 clan comes in at an under 10% (9.5%) 3 star rate.
It would be nice to know the criteria before the competition starts.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Depending upon the importance of stars or destruction then it may be better to hit for a third star with a very small increase in destruction instead of a fresh unhit village where a high % destruction can be attained without getting any stars.
Indeed; maybe they decided to celebrate their first place win by starting to cheat after winning 100% fair play, and then were immediately banned.Quote:
Originally Posted by iGroot
That doesn't even make sense. There's 1 attack to each base. There's no scenario where hitting for a third star is better than hitting for a two star, especially not with destruction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
Of course there is if you pause to think about it.Quote:
Originally Posted by iGroot
If you have already won the particular war with more stars and are level on wins with another clan then it depends upon whether destruction or stars is the tiebreaker.
You're now assuming there are no failures. I guess there are a couple of 1* hits so you need more 3* hits to compensate for those.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chusker
If you have an unhit base with 0 stars and 0% destruction, how would it make sense to leave that base unhit and instead do a cleanup on a base with higher percentage.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
Stars are always the first tiebreaker. That's been the case in regular clan wars and it is fair to assume that it carries over to CWL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
Additionally, if you're in a situation where even the worse circumstances are the following:
Base #7: 0 star 1% destruction
Base #8: No hit
If your clan has one hit remaining, either way it makes more sense to hit Base #8 because it provides 1% more destruction.
Same as a scenario where:
Base #7: 1 star 20%
Base #8: No hit
Even if you mess up and hit Base #8 for a 1 star, that percentage plus the 20% (from Base #7) is more than if you had only hit base #7.
So I'm not understanding where hitting the same base is beneficial?
Can you explain how you wouldn't always get more benefit from going for the fresh hit that currently has 0% and 0 stars? You'd add to either by getting the fresh hit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rst
Must be one heck of a coincident that #1 clan is empty now :facepalm:Quote:
Originally Posted by Darian[Supercell]
We have won our league twice with 1 loss. Of course we were in Crystal II not Champs I. Top 10 should mainly contain clans that placed 1st in their grouping or won every war. Always going to be issues where another clan that could be in the top 10 doesn't make it because they are in a grouping with best clan. This may actually hurt both clans. Definitely agree this top 10 is much better than last time.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Cheating in one part of the game influences other parts of the game though. Cheating to max a base may not be cheating in CWL, but it still influences the outcome.Quote:
Originally Posted by iGroot
Not sure I would agree in the close comparisons given. Sometimes a base layout is just an easier target for a persons attack style.Quote:
Originally Posted by iGroot
In the lower leagues with different TH levels cleaning up bases is still a better option sometimes even if it is just to add 2 stars. Safer to clean up and get 2 stars on a TH9 than risk not getting 2 stars against a TH12.
Still think that this is a much better method to create top 10 list. Also giving out the formula being used to calculate the top 10 ahead of time can lead to collusion and gaming the system more. Better for clans to just try and do their best in their match-ups and worry about them first.
Would probably be better to extend the top 10 a little more now with more than 10 Champs 1 groupings to at least try and include all the clans that won their groupings.
We are talking about Champs 1 with max TH12s though.Quote:
Originally Posted by SirNeoGeo
It looks like another month of "funny stuff".
Going on at the top 10.
Doc
congrats to the top tens. I wish there would be some playoffs.
I think the base layout can still come into play in some cases. The 1% 0 at star may be a better chance to 3 star than the new base that is one rank higher. Rank doesn't really matter if the bases are both truly maxed so it is just a layout difference. The 20% 1 star probably would not make as much sense to hit in Champs 1, but could still be a layout decision if the attacker thinks he can 3 star the 1 star base vs a possible 1 star vs the new base. Also once a base has been hit the clan castle troops and traps can be somewhat revealed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gxr900
Looks like only 2 repeats from last top 10 (5 & 8). So can we add them to the overall combined top 10.
This top 10 list has been a dumpster fire.
For years, we've used total stars to select which clan did a better job. Then they added % destruction as a tie breaker.
In the scwl, a clan is rated based on total stars. How many stars you get determines where you are next season.
Yet the last list was based on "net stars" and this list is based on "wins". Is this an official list? Or is this list a pet project of darian to pick what he thinks is the top 10? Can we expect the same level of inconsistency and "wheel reinventing" for the scwl tournament? Like dang.....this is seriously some biased unprofessional looking lists.
Well that's my feedback. I don't plan on looking at another 1 of these lists any time soon. Players trying to kick a field goal while the stadium moves the goal post while the balls in the air.
I think total star count is a very easy and indisputable metric to measure the championship guys.
With win counts, each CLW has a maximum of 105 wins and 315 stars.
With wins count as a determining factor, it's quite easy for legend league to get 105 wins. But here we don't show the number of wins, it has to go with star count.
Thing is... the top clan's star count is nothing compared to my clan. Yet we are no where near the top10 list.
Ranking clans based on wins and using stars then percentage to tie break is the right way.
Let’s hope same is applied to CWL winner determinations, should also remove the extra 10 stars per win.
You've worked this out wrong. The total stars in the list does NOT include the 10 for winning a war.Quote:
Originally Posted by sentiblue
And total star count isn't used by itself because a few clans didn't try, and gave away 45-0 victories. Their opponents would have too big an advantage if it was just done by stars
Well at 235 total, thats 2.25 stars per hit, or 3 starring 1 in every 4 bases fresh.
Pretty decent
Still waiting for @onyxds to post the entire list so i can review.
Agree. Since the matches are random, we don't know which clans got easy matchups, which ones got tough ones. With more and more clans joining champs1 this problem is just going to rise. Dark Looters faced a th11 in their first war. Tbh this top 10 list doesn't really represent the correct top 10. The proper method will be like the one used in real CWL with league and knockout tournaments.Quote:
Originally Posted by ayih
It took supercell so much time to add wins as first criterion. Although, it is still not fair for groups with lesser number of clans. They should take average stars instead of total stars.Quote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
Hopefully they will add this during regular cwl also. Second tiebreaker in regular cwl should be the result of match between two tied clans. I feel this bonus 10 star system is just bogus and easy to be manipulate.
Is this list for only Champions League? Or this is across all leagues?