Bat Spell balance changes with past maintenance

I suppose this is the new Bat Spell discussion thread so I’ll bring my thoughts over here.

I ran some tests on my TH10 games this morning. The L1 and L2 spells are now completely and utterly useless - they offer absolutely zero value whatsoever. While the first level or two of most spells/troops are usually low value, this was much less. You get so few Bats that it isn’t even suitable for helping with clean-up. The L3 Spell is a mixed bag.

First and foremost, a Rage and a Freeze are required to really get anything out of the L3 Bat Spell. The Freeze is used to give the Bats time to spawn and the Rage, of course, is their steroid mix. Without the Freeze, the Bats are so slow to attack that just about any overlapping defense grid will take them down. Likewise, multi-stream Infernos will decimate even 9 Bat spells dropped under Rage.

L3 Bat Spells dropped under Rage and Freeze can still take out a couple of defenses, including an Inferno Tower, but they lose steam quickly. The value here is in a more surgical hit. The obvious down side - it’s a real estate heavy attack, so you’re talking a heavy spell commitment.

Bat Spell spamming is dead against all but the worst base layouts. The nerf was significant enough that I am leaning toward moving my Inferno Towers back to single-stream again. Multi-stream will totally wipe this strat out but even with single-stream Inferno Towers, I just can’t see the mass-Bat run doing enough damage to make a difference. Such a heavy use of spell slots...honestly, I don’t think many players will be using it at all.

Also, whereas you used to be able to drop 3 Bat Spells on a L8 AD and take it out...that is no more. Even moderate protection will take them out quickly.

Hello oblivion - the Bat Spell has joined the Skeleton Spell on the Island of Misfit Toys. Higher level/more skilled players may still use it in a tactical fashion but for the regular user, this nerf has rendered the Bat Spell catatonic.

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Originally Posted by Narender3

Dear Darian,
If you want we not play with this bat spell then why you add this spell in clash of clan. May this spell will not use by th10 and th11 now may not by th12 also. May be for that reason you loss your some players, will get bad reviews and you loss of new coming players. If your staff is not capable to test any troop or spell before they came then actually what they do in your office? May be this is the End of bat Spell from clash of clans. Now nobuddy will use it again. I want one thing now from your side PLEASE REMOVE THIS WASTE BAT SPELL NOW.
thanks

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I want sth more. I want my gems and cash that I spent to upgrade this 'now' useless spell !

Think they went a little too far on this balance. Even on a poorly designed base I am not getting near the value I should be from 7 bat spells (th11, lvl 4 bats). The number of bats isn't the problem as much as the half again as much time to attack. I still have 4 days left on my lvl 5 bats so I can't test those yet.

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Originally Posted by Noctaire

I suppose this is the new Bat Spell discussion thread so I’ll bring my thoughts over here.

I ran some tests on my TH10 games this morning. The L1 and L2 spells are now completely and utterly useless - they offer absolutely zero value whatsoever. While the first level or two of most spells/troops are usually low value, this was much less. You get so few Bats that it isn’t even suitable for helping with clean-up. The L3 Spell is a mixed bag.

First and foremost, a Rage and a Freeze are required to really get anything out of the L3 Bat Spell. The Freeze is used to give the Bats time to spawn and the Rage, of course, is their steroid mix. Without the Freeze, the Bats are so slow to attack that just about any overlapping defense grid will take them down. Likewise, multi-stream Infernos will decimate even 9 Bat spells dropped under Rage.

L3 Bat Spells dropped under Rage and Freeze can still take out a couple of defenses, including an Inferno Tower, but they lose steam quickly. The value here is in a more surgical hit. The obvious down side - it’s a real estate heavy attack, so you’re talking a heavy spell commitment.

Bat Spell spamming is dead against all but the worst base layouts. The nerf was significant enough that I am leaning toward moving my Inferno Towers back to single-stream again. Multi-stream will totally wipe this strat out but even with single-stream Inferno Towers, I just can’t see the mass-Bat run doing enough damage to make a difference. Such a heavy use of spell slots...honestly, I don’t think many players will be using it at all.

Also, whereas you used to be able to drop 3 Bat Spells on a L8 AD and take it out...that is no more. Even moderate protection will take them out quickly.

Hello oblivion - the Bat Spell has joined the Skeleton Spell on the Island of Misfit Toys. Higher level/more skilled players may still use it in a tactical fashion but for the regular user, this nerf has rendered the Bat Spell catatonic.

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Thanks for the info noc, so I will tell my overhyped th10 clan mates not to use em in cwl

Over nerfed. Supercell - please reconsider the nerf to the attack delay. Xbows and archer towers can now eliminate huge swarms of bats before they even get a hit off. The spell has no utility left. If you leave it in this state, you may as well just take it out of the game. This isn't an exaggeration.

Is there any chance they intentionally made it useless for this coming CWL round and then will boost it back afterwards?

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Originally Posted by chunpunzee

Over nerfed. Supercell - please reconsider the nerf to the attack delay. Xbows and archer towers can now eliminate huge swarms of bats before they even get a hit off. The spell has no utility left. If you leave it in this state, you may as well just take it out of the game. This isn't an exaggeration.

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On well-built bases, the nerf (mostly the release spawn delay) has created the intended effect to greatly reduced the efficiency of the spell. However, I've tested it out against bad bases also, and used them as support spells with a delayed release behind your attacking troops to great success (a few triples and high 90's against max TH12).

I'm disappointed....but not for the reason everyone else is.....(considering I don't have bats maxed yet...I haven't used them).

I'm disappointed because I was really enjoying everyone switching their IT to multi....lol Makes using AQ to clear out CC really easy.

Ok, so since the nerf..... I did two Dragbat hits. Both a three star. One had 7 drags left, the other 6 drags and an unpopped slammer (and I accidentally brought two skelly spells on that one instead of an extra two bat spells. Slightly weaker than maxed TH10. But I def noticed the reduced effectiveness of the bats. And will say, you totally need to bring a freeze now to help them survive the delayed initial attack time.

Clanmate did some testing. He said he hasn't noticed much difference. His first attack in the war was dragbat. Tripled the base.

What I think this does do, more so than anything, is make certain bat-based combos more suitable for some bases and not others. Certainly nothing like the Witch nerf that made witches completely unusable, or the Miner nerf which sent them to oblivion also. And it took a while for combos to be worked out after valks got nerfed to the extent a level 4 had less HP than the pre nerf nerf nerf level 1 valk of old.

I certainly do not see an end to this spell like some are saying.

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Originally Posted by MisterOz

Ok, so since the nerf..... I did two Dragbat hits. Both a three star. One had 7 drags left, the other 6 drags and an unpopped slammer (and I accidentally brought two skelly spells on that one instead of an extra two bat spells. Slightly weaker than maxed TH10. But I def noticed the reduced effectiveness of the bats. And will say, you totally need to bring a freeze now to help them survive the delayed initial attack time.

Clanmate did some testing. He said he hasn't noticed much difference. His first attack in the war was dragbat. Tripled the base.

What I think this does do, more so than anything, is make certain bat-based combos more suitable for some bases and not others. Certainly nothing like the Witch nerf that made witches completely unusable, or the Miner nerf which sent them to oblivion also. And it took a while for combos to be worked out after valks got nerfed to the extent a level 4 had less HP than the pre nerf nerf nerf level 1 valk of old.

I certainly do not see an end to this spell like some are saying.

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If you are going to post this info please include the TH level. Right now at 12 it seems useless.