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The top 20 players have 16 defensive wins COMBINED after almost 5 days into this new season. The facts speak for themself, if the inferno tower was so powerful how come they have so few defensive wins? If you can't hang with the big dogs, stay on the porch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Supergoatie
I've known you as a former that only truly complains when you feel it is warranted.
I have to agree with you this last update made a turn that I didn't like. One one has every complained that tier 1 troops where OP. Barbs, archers, and minions are only strong in numbers.
Can you win with them? Yes - with skill and strategy. They are a high risk unit in this regard, because splash can do massive damage in a hurry. But deployed right you can sneak in that 50% and win cups.
Right now the only tier 1 troop with an upgrade at TH10 is the goblin. However, they have 3 x-bows (very strong against low hp units), another level for splash defenses, and this new multimode for infernos.
I had already considered TH10 nearly untouchable with lvl 6 troops. They just get chewed up too fast, and now throwing in a few giants or pekka isn't going to handle a multimode tower. At least the tower before was weak against hordes before.
Can I avoid them? To an extent but as Supergoatie pointed out - its now like I have a good farming alternative. Players should be able to compensate for a 2 and half hour cook time on the powerhouse combos with some skill. Sure they won't get 3 or even 2 star victories but they still earn their way.
I don't know why SuperCell is implementing so many anti-horde structures. Is it to combat witches? Obviously hogs, but I think its ridiculous that you are required to have insane cook times if you want to play in masters.
The last 3 or 4 times I looked at the top 20 players it was dominated by Golem based strategies (either wizards, witches or a combination). Balloons and minions were still present at that level but those players can not avoid to have their towers both on the octopus of death mode due to heros and golems. At lower levels, however, you are not going to see that strategy in mass.
Ok, please take this as a serious question, because I really don't get it, why in the world would the vast majority of champ league player set their infernos to disco mode (multimode)? I get that it's better against hogs/balloonions, but it's downright capitulation against GoWiWi and is very weak against maxxed heroes. I just don't see why the vast majority would take that risk. Sure, some people like that tradeoff, but 90%+? That just doesn't make sense to me. Again, if I'm missing something here, please explain it to me.
Second, I don't really think that this has killed balloonians. It's definitely made it harder, but it still seems doable IMO. No, I'm not at 3500 or anything, but I'm hoping to hit champ again with bloonions (no gems this time so it's slow going) and up to 3050.... no problem with multimode. If I have plenty of spells with me (I usually don't, but I sure would way up in champ), rage still gets the job done pretty well. And there is always the option of settling for one stars. Most bases still don't seem to be designed to combat bloonions very well, and nibbling around the edges can still get you to 50% with pretty minimal exposure to infernos in many cases. Slower rising may be a problem given how easy it is to lose on defense (which, again, GoWiWi seems pretty tough to stop, especially without single mode infernos), but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say these kinds of tactics are done.
I don't know how much weight this carries, but there is a champ player in Dark Sky (where I'm pushing right now) who still uses bloonions at around 3750, and he has shared several 2 star replays lately. Most of them have single target infernos, but hey, they are still out there (and I don't get why they wouldn't be).
Btw, this is me speaking as a player from what I have seen.
Cause they are always on, only time they get attacked is when they are forced to go offlineQuote:
Originally Posted by JtB
Dear little noob Donahue with th9. Yes, I can of course climb down to your range and attack your lower th range, that has no defence what so ever. I like to have a challenge even when I farm thats why I usually farm in high master. If you climb down in crystal and gold you become a lazy farmer and its no challenge at all. I mean, th9 xbows? Even goblins can handle them. Since u suggest such a brilliant things like "dont farm near an inferno" my guess is that u farm in lower gold league. Oooooooh what a challenge. Geez, you must be a pro attacking collectors or why not an abbandoned base with BAM.Quote:
Originally Posted by Donahue
And in all honesty, I dont think its fair that I with my overpowered army and base should farm lower bases without def. But since SC must mean that thats the way we all should go, then all th10 should drop down to lower crystal and upper gold leauge and simply crush all th9 and th8 that are trying to save up for big upgrades!?
I will answer your question on the spread mode of the inferno towers. I thought it was foolish myself to have them in spread mode because they are so weak. But in single mode they rarely get the heroes anyway because of all the other troops getting in the way (witches, skeketons, wizards, golems, etc). In the end, I feel its better to have one or both infernos in spread mode in Champion league.Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Lol, thats still two attacks on their base per day, regardless. They only have 16 defensive wins COMBINED! Infernos are only overpowered against weak troops, quit messing with the big boys if you can't hang.Quote:
Originally Posted by smooth2222
Zach, u are talking about cuphunting and Im talking about farming. Master leauge players have their towers set to multimode and why not. Its not that common that u use big troops like GoWIWi i Master and why should u when u can climb using cheaper and faster troops. Hm, my guess is that u havent either farmed nor cuphunted in masters at all since the update? Using ballon still works but surely not without spells, if u dont find a "noob base". Well, Im off track. i talked about farming on higher grounds. 2 1/2h for spells, heroes and troops that costs more than you will come back with in resources. nah, that not my kind of farming. Balloons takes FOREVER to cook so that not even an alternative. And yes, players in champ has their towers on single mode, thats why you still can use balloons and gain cups. Soooooo Zach, my question was....what to use when u cant no longer use multitroops to farm with on higher grounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
Yeah, I can see a good argument made for having one of each, but if that's the case, you should be able to enter on the single target side with bloonions and win a fairly standard battle no? I still can't see placing both on disco mode as a good idea though, golems are almost unstoppable otherwise. But I could be going about this analysis all wrong and it may be a great idea, I'm just having a tough time seeing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by JtB
the loon guy looks for a certain type of base (he knows he can defeat) to attack, as does a hog guy, golem guy etc...Quote:
Originally Posted by zachUVA
each defense is going to specialize in defending against a specific type of troop. IE: anti hog base, but that anti hog base is far weaker against balloons and minions. There just isn't a perfect base combo thats going to successfully defend against every troop set that can attack.
Set all 3 xbows to air, and a guy with all archers can probably 1 star u. Set all xbows to ground and the archer guy wont get 20%. Now let the loon guy find all 3 xbows set to ground and hes licking his chops.
Now change that to offense. Spells become dead important. 5 freezes r gonna wreak havoc on infernos, but now u cant snuff castle troops. 5 lightnings tear up castle troops and morts, but the inferno towers still await.
seems to me like key to this game is a finely tuned balance, and supercell keeps it flux with their new updates.