Heads Up on Obtaining Expansion Permits - Limited Sources

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. There's a post in the Bugs section about the lack of scrolls. Turns out it is not a bug. The link to the thread is here: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...g-any-scrolls?

Per Nick, the permits have been removed from mystery boxes and are now available ONLY through the WOF and horseshoe prizes.

I was hoping this time around we'd get permits from a larger variety of sources, but apparently instead they will be doled out much like the horrible puzzle pieces.

While that is disheartening, I appreciate the heads up. I never pay for mystery boxes, but had been since the update, hoping to get some permits. Looks like I can save a few diamonds by going back to the freebies only. Nick, thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.

This is the answer that I got from Help and Support
twice. I think this is a terrible way to do it! My small neighborhood can never get enough points to get all the way to the columns on the right!!
I am trying to adjust to having an eternal area of unopened land plots, but it is difficult.

I think most people want to clear the land because it is there.

of the last lot of land to open and the first permit land, I did open it, but I don’t use it.

on my second farm, I showed more restraint and opened none of it. That farm has some 65 permits.

i just find the land too large to navigate and don’t need more

Well I’ve read this response a few times now, trying to determine if its saying what I think it is. Laurence’s post point out that there are now fewer sources to obtain scrolls as they’re no longer available in the red box. Wussypuss you make the point “I think most people want to open the land because it’s there” well um yes, is that not the point of land expanding? Ok so it might not be for everyone and I accept there are people who aren’t bothered about opening land, however on a personal level if I am offered extra land I want to be able to open it (isn’t this the point) and to do that I need permits. Whether you “need” more land or not is not the point, the fact is they’ve given us land so they should give us ample sources to enable us to open those spots!

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Well I’ve read this response a few times now, trying to determine if its saying what I think it is. Laurence’s post point out that there are now fewer sources to obtain scrolls as they’re no longer available in the red box. Wussypuss you make the point “I think most people want to open the land because it’s there” well um yes, is that not the point of land expanding? Ok so it might not be for everyone and I accept there are people who aren’t bothered about opening land, however on a personal level if I am offered extra land I want to be able to open it (isn’t this the point) and to do that I need permits. Whether you “need” more land or not is not the point, the fact is they’ve given us land so they should give us ample sources to enable us to open those spots!

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It wouldn't even bother me so much if they would give permits in the derby. The first week, I got one permit even though we got all nine flags in the derby. This week we have gotten all nine flags, and I got zero permits. If you are going to limit them to derby, at least give the stupid permits when the appropriate flag is reached!!

I just don’t think anyone has to put so much focus on expansion. For most people, the permits will come (some have issues, like WoF events).

it is supposed to be gradual and while they removed the opportunity for permits from the mystery boxes, I have seen an increase in their presence in derby thresholds, which were recently realigned so that all derby sizes can reach all thresholds




my previous post was more directed at Luluhulu... you can get used to unopened plots.

I am working on ignoring all those little squares with fun stuff in them, but it is hard. I really like “neat and tidy”.... At least it is across the road where it is not the first thing I see every day. I guess I don’t understand the reason for making it so hard. I am pretty sure it has something to do with making more money, because people use diamonds to complete derby tasks.

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Originally Posted by WussyPuss

I just don’t think anyone has to put so much focus on expansion. For most people, the permits will come (some have issues, like WoF events).

it is supposed to be gradual and while they removed the opportunity for permits from the mystery boxes, I have seen an increase in their presence in derby thresholds, which were recently realigned so that all derby sizes can reach all thresholds




my previous post was more directed at Luluhulu... you can get used to unopened plots.

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Originally Posted by PetHerder

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. There's a post in the Bugs section about the lack of scrolls. Turns out it is not a bug. The link to the thread is here: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...g-any-scrolls?

Per Nick, the permits have been removed from mystery boxes and are now available ONLY through the WOF and horseshoe prizes.

I was hoping this time around we'd get permits from a larger variety of sources, but apparently instead they will be doled out much like the horrible puzzle pieces.

While that is disheartening, I appreciate the heads up. I never pay for mystery boxes, but had been since the update, hoping to get some permits. Looks like I can save a few diamonds by going back to the freebies only. Nick, thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.

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Thank you, PetHerder!

That is a bummer, but at least we know. I use every bit of the land, and fields, that SC gives us. I hope, in the future they might reconsider the difficulty in obtaining permits. I am not able to play the derby due to health issues (I’ve been trying this week, but it’s impossible), so much-wanted land will be unobtainable under these current restrictions. It is my sincere hope that SC will add additional ways for non-derby players to obtain permits.

I didn’t want to get used to unopened plots but I got used to never looking at the sanctuary or collecting puzzle pieces so I guess it can be done. As a non derby player I now only have the WOF “event” where I can gain scrolls. I can’t even imagine how long that would take as I don’t use diamonds for extra spins. I can’t really see what logic there is in removing scrolls from the mystery boxes-it did at least give more opportunities to gain them. It’s not going to force me to use diamonds, or play the derby so I’ll accept my farm will look untidy and unfinished and I’ll remain disappointed by this particular Supercell decision.

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Originally Posted by PetHerder

Just wanted to give everyone a heads up. There's a post in the Bugs section about the lack of scrolls. Turns out it is not a bug. The link to the thread is here: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...g-any-scrolls?

Per Nick, the permits have been removed from mystery boxes and are now available ONLY through the WOF and horseshoe prizes.

I was hoping this time around we'd get permits from a larger variety of sources, but apparently instead they will be doled out much like the horrible puzzle pieces.

While that is disheartening, I appreciate the heads up. I never pay for mystery boxes, but had been since the update, hoping to get some permits. Looks like I can save a few diamonds by going back to the freebies only. Nick, thanks for the heads up. Much appreciated.

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I now have limited time with access to WiFi so I can’t play the Derby in my neighborhood (that I love). I would prevent the hood from winning Derbies due to the time it would take me to finish tasks. My only chance for scrolls will be WoF which is unfair. Or else leave my neighborhood for another one that plays the Derby but does not try to actually win, only get prizes.

Played this game for years and spent hundreds of $$$ on diamonds over the years and still do. Maybe I will rethink that now! This started out as a farming game and now the Derby seems to be SC’s main focus. Hay Day was a great game to relieve stress and unwind. The Derby brought a tension and stress that tore many neighborhoods apart. Most of us managed to adapt our play and moved on. Opting out of the Derby was one of those methods that allowed us to stay with friends made here over the years.

You guys need to give us more ways to get scrolls! Forcing Derby play is going to eventually lose you long time players who have developed relationships with hood members but can’t expand now. Not sure why game developers would choose to limit players this way but it’s a decision that is going to negatively impact a lot of players - especially small neighborhoods of family and friends and players with limited access to play.

I completely agree with those who are annoyed by the lack of permits.

If the game offers land expansion we shouldnt' have to "get used to" not being able to actually open the land!

I'm a deco person. The permit areas are always the ones I work to open first. Like others who have posted here, I am disappointed on the poor decision making process, IMO, that led to reducing the number of permit sources.

I am, however, grateful we at least got a heads up from Nick. I would have been really annoyed to have opened tons of paid for boxes only to find outafterwards it was a complete waste of diamonds because of the decision to quietly eliminate mystery boxes as a source.

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Originally Posted by PetHerder

I completely agree with those who are annoyed by the lack of permits.

If the game offers land expansion we shouldnt' have to "get used to" not being able to actually open the land!

I'm a deco person. The permit areas are always the ones I work to open first. Like others who have posted here, I am disappointed on the poor decision making process, IMO, that led to reducing the number of permit sources.

I am, however, grateful we at least got a heads up from Nick. I would have been really annoyed to have opened tons of paid for boxes only to find outafterwards it was a complete waste of diamonds because of the decision to quietly eliminate mystery boxes as a source.

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I have to say ,yes it's very nice to have the expanded thresholds,super ! I disagree with Wussypuss that one has to just get used to having land that we can't get access to due to the limited scrolls we now see. Why ? I like the decorations as well and was working towards opening that land to get them . I am not ok with this. And it's ok if you are . I will use that area. What is good for one may not be for another. Can't all be the same .
So reconsider,let's have more scrolls! You are hurting your self and the game by doing this.

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I have to say ,yes it's very nice to have the expanded thresholds,super ! I disagree with Wussypuss that one has to just get used to having land that we can't get access to due to the limited scrolls we now see. Why ? I like the decorations as well and was working towards opening that land to get them . I am not ok with this. And it's ok if you are . I will use that area. What is good for one may not be for another. Can't all be the same .
So reconsider,let's have more scrolls! You are hurting your self and the game by doing this.

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Sorry, you are misunderstanding me.

i was saying that you CAN get used to looking at unopened land, not that it is required.

I’m not a deco person. In truth I’m only opening new land because in a game where new things to do are few and far between, it’s just something new to do - and it frees up some barn space when those pesky LEM’s accumulate.
While having unopened land doesn’t particularly bother me, I do understand the frustration with adding things to the game and making them so hard to achieve - like the bingo achievement for example. Trying to find all those bingo lines when we get a bingo derby every time we get an ice age:rolleyes:
I guess if you add something to the game and make achieveing it a glacial process, you don’t have to go to the effort of adding more new stuff to the game.

I think it is fairly obvious that the reason for the lack of permits is because there the user base is continually asking for MORE LAND, MORE LAND, MORE LAND. New land was added less than a year ago (I think it was anyway) and then soon afterwards there was a ton of people on here complaining that we hadn't had a land expansion in "ages" and it was long overdue and SC were not listening to their users blah blah blah.

Then problem - of course - is that they cannot continue to offer more land forever. Bigger farms with more items in them (trees, decos etc.) take up more bandwidth and more storage. Eventually there are scalability problems.

So this time they have offered more land with a significantly longer lifespan to it. It will take at least a year for people to fully expand, even if they get 2 scrolls in every derby. This will keep those calls for MORE LAND at bay, at least for a while...

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Originally Posted by WussyPuss

Sorry, you are misunderstanding me.

i was saying that you CAN get used to looking at unopened land, not that it is required.

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Ok ,I understand......I would like to get those decorations and on my 2 smaller farms I still have unopened land that requires no scrolls. So where I was sending my extra stuff to expand over to them I'm now saving them for my main farm. We really need some way back to be able to get more scrolls.
Oh a friend who has been away for some time a fellow Canadian, she told me I could almost pass for one with me throwing in an eh every one in a while lol .so I wanted to get back into practice.

Spin the wheel for scrolls/permits next Sunday - limit 1.

Sigh. Lame....

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I think it is fairly obvious that the reason for the lack of permits is because there the user base is continually asking for MORE LAND, MORE LAND, MORE LAND. New land was added less than a year ago (I think it was anyway) and then soon afterwards there was a ton of people on here complaining that we hadn't had a land expansion in "ages" and it was long overdue and SC were not listening to their users blah blah blah.

Then problem - of course - is that they cannot continue to offer more land forever. Bigger farms with more items in them (trees, decos etc.) take up more bandwidth and more storage. Eventually there are scalability problems.

So this time they have offered more land with a significantly longer lifespan to it. It will take at least a year for people to fully expand, even if they get 2 scrolls in every derby. This will keep those calls for MORE LAND at bay, at least for a while...

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^^^ This!

When we all started the game and saw all the land there was to open, it was overwhelming. I often thought how the heck will I be able to clear it all. Slowly, 1 section at a time it got there.

Let’s face it we are spoiled in so many ways. There is plenty of room to fit all the machines crops and even have a great area for deco. The extra land they just created gives me hope for something that could come later in 2019. By then maybe Team HD will also have new ways for us to earn the scrolls.

I will just wait and see how it all plays out.

I sent one more message to Help and Support, explaining that my small neighborhood can never get all the way to the far right columns in the derbies. . The answer was that I should either move to a larger neighborhood or invite more people to join ours. So, there it is- only derby players matter to SC. I have been in derby crazed neighborhoods, and it can get scary... Also, I do not like the derbies. They are too frantic. Now, I really do have to get used to having unopened land plots with goodies I can’t have. I am here for the long haul, and have adjusted before. I just don’t understand why SC is doing it this way...

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I sent one more message to Help and Support, explaining that my small neighborhood can never get all the way to the far right columns in the derbies. . The answer was that I should either move to a larger neighborhood or invite more people to join ours. So, there it is- only derby players matter to SC. I have been in derby crazed neighborhoods, and it can get scary... Also, I do not like the derbies. They are too frantic. Now, I really do have to get used to having unopened land plots with goodies I can’t have. I am here for the long haul, and have adjusted before. I just don’t understand why SC is doing it this way...

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Why can’t you reach all thresholds?

I am not understanding. The recent realignment has made all thresholds possible.

Maybe we will try it again- it sounds like things have changed.

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Originally Posted by WussyPuss

Why can’t you reach all thresholds?

I am not understanding. The recent realignment has made all thresholds possible.

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Why can’t you reach all thresholds?

I am not understanding. The recent realignment has made all thresholds possible.

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Indeed, BostonGirl shared the good news two hours ago that a one player neighborhood may obtain all horseshoes.

https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...esholds-THANKS

thats great news! Which columns have the permits? I know the fourth and . . ?

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Originally Posted by Raelet

Spin the wheel for scrolls/permits next Sunday - limit 1.

Sigh. Lame....

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What is even more lame, is to win the derby getting all nine slots, and having zero permits in 4 and 7. And then spending five diamonds and getting zero permits again after the spin. Yet, that is about the only place you can get them. I don't mind them being limited, but that is ridiculous when you can't even get them in the derby.

I don’t really like the Deco that’s trapped in the new land, which I’m thankful for, as it means I’m not in a bursting hurry to open it.

I WANT the new land as it means I’ll be able to have more deco out or plant more trees etc, but no one ‘needs’ it, there’s room already for all the animals, crops, trees etc. So it’s aesthetics - either because you dislike the unopened land or because you want more space to ‘play with’.

I understand them making it a slowish process, but this isn’t ‘slow’ it’s glacial.

I HAVE to stop spinning the horseshoes. It’s a ridiculous waste of diamonds. After several spins (maybe 8?) today I still only had 2 scrolls. I don’t even NEED the damn things, I just want it open because ‘it’s there’. I’m buying into the diamond grab and I need to stop.

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...I HAVE to stop spinning the horseshoes. It’s a ridiculous waste of diamonds. After several spins (maybe 8?) today I still only had 2 scrolls. I don’t even NEED the damn things, I just want it open because ‘it’s there’. I’m buying into the diamond grab and I need to stop.

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Perhaps one of your resolutions for the new year? :)

The good news for me... there are only a few of the decorations in the "scroll plots" that appeal to me.
The bad news...the tree swing is one of them and it is one of the least accessible.

The good news for all of us is that apparently SC has plans for the occasional permit event. That means there is a glimmer of hope for those who don't "Derby".

Thanks to the recent event (and major reshuffling to get 2 permits each week in columns 4 and 7) I had 10 permits at the end of this past Derby. After seriously debating which deco plot to open (the "cheap" one next to the road with the nice urn that would look good in my cactus garden near the taco stand, the bonsai pine tree, or the hideous purple tree with dripping lights) I chose the urn. Imagine my surprise when what opened was the plot with the soccer ball and goal.:mad: This is the second time this has happened to me. The first time was during the original deco plots. It is very hard to precisely tell whether you have selected the actual plot you want. For example, my problem was that there is a big tree from the soccer plot hanging over the urn plot. It turns out I tapped the tree and activated the soccer plot. I couldn't tell that's what happened because there is nothing on the window that confirms what plot I chose. I should have known because the plot I wanted only needed 4 scrolls. Unfortunately, all the others want 10 scrolls; and most want the same 40-something number of LEMs so it will be hard to make sure I'm opening the plot I want.

The good news is that this experience broke my current obsession with the permit scrolls. I can go back to opting out of the Derby as I had since I got the last scroll for the last batch of deco plots. I'll wait and hope for permit events.

As for the WoF, I think there ought to be at least 2 permit slots on it for a (ha-ha) "event".

I'm assuming that, fundamentally, SC's goal is to get us to spend as much time as possible on our farms. The more involved we are, the more likely we are to spend (and buy) diamonds. The deco land plots initially had me opting in to the Derby and spending beaucoup diamonds shuffling prizes. If I hadn't "wasted" several weeks of flat-out work opening a plot I didn't want, my frenzied quest for scrolls would probably have lasted a little longer. However, like the puzzle pieces which I slowly acquire through puzzle boat events, I'll go for Wussy's model of ignoring the new deco land. I won't like it, and it will be annoying every time I look at that little soccer plot I accidentally opened, but I'll survive.

Dear Mini,

How painful! That urn would have been fabulous by your taco stand. I’m so sorry you got the soccer net, instead, and now don’t have enough scrolls. I’ve done things like that, and the helpless feeling, as you watch a disastrous mistake unfold, is not pleasant. My heart commiserates with you. Your acceptance is healthy, and I hope you soon, unexpectedly, recover those wildly misspent scrolls.

May you be greatly blessed, in the game and most-importantly in real life, in this New Year. You are loved by many.
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Thanks, AsYouWish! Lovely thoughts, as always! My donkeys requested that their stable be moved into the little new plot, and they are very happy!

The big problem I see with not being able to open the land for a long time is I hate how “messy” it looks with all that deco scattered in the trees.

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The big problem I see with not being able to open the land for a long time is I hate how “messy” it looks with all that deco scattered in the trees.

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Me too, it drives me crazy!

9 horseshoes not a single permit going to take forever :unsure:

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The big problem I see with not being able to open the land for a long time is I hate how “messy” it looks with all that deco scattered in the trees.

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Yes, that's my biggest issue with it too. I wouldn't mind at all if it was just locked plots of land with no decorations in them. But as it is, it's quite an eyesore.

Assuming every time you spin the wheel the price increases by 1 diamond, 40 spins would cost 780 diamonds :saywhat: even by spending this hideous amount of money there is still a 3% chance of not getting a single permit :( just saying in case people think you can get a permit every 12 spins.

Todays event with a scroll on the WOF should be like this:

first spin is free = 1 scroll on the WOF
second spin costs 1 diamond = 2 scrolls on the WOF
third spin costs 2 diamonds= 3 Scrolls on the WOF
4:th spin costs 3 diamonds= 4 Scrolls on the WOF

and continues like this until the 12:th spin = 12 Scrolls :-)

If you are incredibly unlucky you are at least guaranteed 1 permit after 12 spins and 66 diamonds spent!

and if Supercell doesn`t wants us to open the new land too fast they can stop the event after the 12:th spin .

In an ideal world this would be the case but I am afraid it doesn’t work like this. It is highly unlikely but if you are the unluckiest person in the world you could spin all event and not get a single one! This is also assuming the wheel is fair and the probability is not skewed. I doubt it is as the diamond spend will be high enough without rigging it.

I am sitting on a few permits but not quite ready to open that area at the minute. So seeing everyone's frustration with the lack of permits is 1) frustrating that I have but can't help anyone and 2) do i really want to start opening when i do get round to it.
Did anyone have any luck on the wheel of not much I didn't put much effort into it and got the slot after the permit.

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Did anyone have any luck on the wheel of not much I didn't put much effort into it and got the slot after the permit.

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i did my 3 spins - total diamonds equal to one mystery box & I won't spin more times than that, too big a waste of diamonds. I got a potato, a salad, and a sushi. Yawn.

Meanwhile, in my horseshoes I have exactly 1 permit out of 9 columns.

I'm not even disappointed anymore by the anti-player decisions being made these days, in this case, once again slowly doling out needed items, and then, unless you're incredibly lucky, only if you spend diamonds. I'm flat out disgusted. Decos and my hoodie friends are the only reasons I even play this game any more.

The last several months I find myself finishing the derby by Wednesday at the very latest, and then not touching the game again, other than to check in and help anyone else still working on tasks.

I don't spend many diamonds these days, I've stopped hiring Tom, and I'm spending more time in an alternate farming game by a different developer. But hey, I'm sure SC has their reasons for driving customers away. The other developers must be thanking them.

I only do the 5 tasks as it's only me who's active in my NH so the most exciting horseshoe prizes is a puzzle piece and a fishing gnome which I haven't got

I have used this lack of permit availability as an excuse to play a lot less. Since I can't even get one from a box, and I don't derby, then why bother? I'll just take my money to amazon and buy myself a present instead!

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I have used this lack of permit availability as an excuse to play a lot less. Since I can't even get one from a box, and I don't derby, then why bother? I'll just take my money to amazon and buy myself a present instead!

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3 farms and 3 diamonds spent and not 1 scroll. And none in my columns either. Don't think I'll opt to shuffle to big a chance of not getting any. Just would like the scrolls brought back as they had been ,it was slow but at least there was a chance now it's like trying your hand in Vegas the odds are in favor of the house.

I absolutely agree about forcing people to do the derby to get scrolls. I hate the derby personally but I do it in hopes of gaining scrolls but even that is slow going. If I get the chance to have land to open I could care less about the special trinkets they put inside certain parcels. I like to get all land opened up as soon as possible. And you’re totally right about the derby tearing neighborhoods apart. I miss the days when this was just a farm game. Maybe they could add scrolls into the mix with things you earn from the townies? And they should be included in the red prize boxes. This is just ridiculous, come on HayDay! Like many others I’ve invested a lot of money in diamonds. Please tell me you aren’t taking your best customers for granted.

I have BEGGED Help and Support several times to give us another way to get scrolls. I also dislike the Derbies, even though I have tried several different times to do them. Help and Support has been very clear, that nothing is going to change.
Do we have a way to pressure them to make scrolls more available?
I could take my farms and leave, but I won’t do that.

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I have BEGGED Help and Support several times to give us another way to get scrolls. I also dislike the Derbies, even though I have tried several different times to do them. Help and Support has been very clear, that nothing is going to change.
Do we have a way to pressure them to make scrolls more available?
I could take my farms and leave, but I won’t do that.

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We have no say . Have to take what we are given and be happy with it.

As we can’t see the amount of permits we will actually need in total, I am assuming the number is 10 for those surrounded, if we are given a measly 1 in derby prizes ( I have none in my 9) it will take us the best part of three years to open up all plots of land! The odd wheel of misfortune event isn’t going to make much difference to this time frame! There is not making things too easy and there is completely taking the fun out of trying, I am afraid I find this lack of availability in the later category :(

It's actually worse than you assume. There are at least two areas that require 13 permits (the pond area with the beach decoration) and the area with the basketball net. I opened the area between these two so I can see them. The area next to basketball net area (with a blue and white pot requires 11 permits. I will be opening the basketball net area next, when I have the 13 permits (I will only have 9 after the derby prizes tomorrow) so then I will be able to see how many permits are required in all the areas. At that point, I can give you a total number of permits required for all the areas.

I got a permit from the wheel on my first try. Couldn't believe it. It enticed me to spend a diamond for another spin - alas second time around, it was an egg sandwich, and that was it. :p

There ought to be something we can do to get SC to understand how many of us feel strongly that this will effect the joy of the game. Can we get Nick’s attention?? Could he help us??
Any ideas out there?

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There ought to be something we can do to get SC to understand how many of us feel strongly that this will effect the joy of the game. Can we get Nick’s attention?? Could he help us??
Any ideas out there?

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I have given up , we are not going to get help nor get back what had been .

I keep not getting any permits in my derby rewards.

I absolutely refuse to reshuffle.

After reading some posts about players got only 1 permit on horseshoe rewards and I also knew a rich friend whom actually reshuffled horseshoe rewards many times this week but still could not get more than 1 permit... I came into assumption that after this Winter Update Supercell has changed the permit cap into only 1 horseshoe rewards. It used to be (if you're lucky) you could get 2 permits and if you're super lucky you got 3 (it happened to my sister once). If any player got 2 permits in horseshoe rewards after the Winter Update please let us know.

I initially had one then shuffled once and got a second. In a normal non-special week two is the maximum in the rewards.

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I initially had one then shuffled once and got a second. In a normal non-special week two is the maximum in the rewards.

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Thanks for the info, Sooty123. It's good to know :blush:

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I initially had one then shuffled once and got a second. In a normal non-special week two is the maximum in the rewards.

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Given that the sources for the permits is now down to only two, the WOF and the horseshoes, we shouldn't have to spend diamonds to get two. It should be automatic. Those who don't want them can then choose another item, but those of us who do care shouldn't be constantly dinged for diamonds to get them. WTG, SC. More greed. smh.

Even with 9 horseshoes, this week I got no permits even after two reshuffles....so disappointed! Usually I get one permit either at the 4th or 7th column and then with one or two reshuffle, get a second permit. This week...none. Sigh!

Same here, no permits (9 horseshoes).
Funny thing: being those so hard to find I actually dont feel any pressure or need to open all those lands. I find myself absolutely not tempted, in any way, in using diamonds to reshuffle derby prizes, which is good for my pocket, but I am not sure is good for Supercell 😂

Just thinking about the lack of scrolls on horseshoes even when people have reshuffled how much of that has to do with the fact that it was on the wheel of not much this week

From what everyone is saying, there aren’t enough chances to get them in the derby to tempt me back to playing it. I didn’t get one in the WOF “event” which is my only chance so I’m not going to bother even thinking of ever opening these deco plots. Not keen on the deco anyway so I’m going to be saving my diamonds for something else. It just seems such a cynical diamond grab at every turn these days.

I had 3 permits in following derby after update and have 7 at all now. So it will take years to ever open all land and it looks like many more are needed than before. I see only 10 permits each area except 1 spot with 4.

But also I lost 9th horseshoe and 2 other in my hood too because we collected derby rewards after update and minimum points to get all 9 horseshoes got reduced with new update. Not a good move of SC I would say.

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After reading some posts about players got only 1 permit on horseshoe rewards and I also knew a rich friend whom actually reshuffled horseshoe rewards many times this week but still could not get more than 1 permit... I came into assumption that after this Winter Update Supercell has changed the permit cap into only 1 horseshoe rewards. It used to be (if you're lucky) you could get 2 permits and if you're super lucky you got 3 (it happened to my sister once). If any player got 2 permits in horseshoe rewards after the Winter Update please let us know.

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I had at least 2 in derby rewards after the winter update. It may have been 3 with one shuffle.

Nothing in derby rewards, one on WOF. Now up to 2 (one from Greg).

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...It just seems such a cynical diamond grab at every turn these days.

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Amen to that.

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Amen to that.

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What I don’t understand, is why they seem to want diamonds only from the Derbies. I would open more 10 & 20 diamond boxes if there was a potential for scrolls being in them. I really dont like the Derbies, but I am standing here with my sack of diamonds, and SC doesn’t want them...$$$

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And sadly it seems some are ok with that

I got two scrolls with one shuffle in the last Derby. In the current Derby I am up to the 8th column and no scrolls in columns 4 or 7. I wiil do one shuffle but if this does not produce any scrolls then thats it for the Derby as far as I am concerned.

I stopped doing the Derby once I had opened all the previous land, because for me it is too time consuming, the novelty wore off a long time ago and I now find it a bit boring. I only started again because its the only way to get scrolls. If thats not guaranteed, then I shall just forget about opening the new land.

Because frankly being disappointed each time is not fun, and the whole point of playing is for fun, is it not?

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I got two scrolls with one shuffle in the last Derby. In the current Derby I am up to the 8th column and no scrolls in columns 4 or 7. I wiil do one shuffle but if this does not produce any scrolls then thats it for the Derby as far as I am concerned.

I stopped doing the Derby once I had opened all the previous land, because for me it is too time consuming, the novelty wore off a long time ago and I now find it a bit boring. I only started again because its the only way to get scrolls. If thats not guaranteed, then I shall just forget about opening the new land.

Because frankly being disappointed each time is not fun, and the whole point of playing is for fun, is it not?

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It seems to be a high with an update then goes down from there with the non communication,and all the other things.then we get news of some new and exciting coming so we start getting expectations. I'm not going to hold my breath,been let down to many times.just will play as nothing is happening, really don't mind doing the same , no big deal I'm not bored ....hey I'll have the same thing for dinner several nights in a row .

Second week running zilch permits! 19 x 320 tasks, nine horseshoes not a single permit! Nick please can you explain why they are not appearing in derby prizes, thank you.

I stopped playing around Christmas and haven’t looked back. The insane mechanics introduced for this feature has made me rethink playing anymore. It’s slow and extremely boring. You can’t play your own way without SC introducing these delay tactics.... boring

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I stopped playing around Christmas and haven’t looked back. The insane mechanics introduced for this feature has made me rethink playing anymore. It’s slow and extremely boring. You can’t play your own way without SC introducing these delay tactics.... boring

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Sure looks like you are having a look back :smirk:

some of us do find a way to play our way. I don’t like doing boats or trucks and lately fishing and I still have plenty that I do like, just sayingXD

I think the permits are absurdly scarce. They were rare before they were removed from the mystery boxes, but now they’re almost non-existent. It has been more than a month since the update, and we’ve only had one WOF with a scroll—and of course the chance of getting one without spending diamonds is slim.

So that only leaves the derby, which in my experience has been giving very few permits without reshuffling. So far I’ve spent 15-20 diamonds per derby reshuffling, in order to get 2 permits. If that continues to be the average, it will cost more than 1300 diamonds to get all of them—and will take about 1-1/2 years. I think that’s a ridiculous amount of time to wait when I’m spending that many diamonds. My alternative is to stop reshuffling and resign myself to waiting something like 3-5 years to get all the permits.

I wouldn’t mind the wait as much if the locked land weren’t so ugly. But I’m really annoyed that my choices are between a huge expense and extremely long wait—or no expense and insanely long wait—and either way I have to put up with a big eyesore for what seems like forever.

The permits were removed from boxes because you could get them for free, without spending any diamonds. My one year old mini had 58 before the update, without using diamonds to open toolboxes*, without reshuffling derby prizes (and I wouldn’t have selected a permit if a bem was on the same column).


*from time to time, the game decides I should spend diamonds on toolboxes, so it steals diamonds from me, without me actually tapping the button to spend diamonds. It’s even worse now, with new toolboxes costing more diamonds. More here: https://forum.supercell.com/showthre...-a-MYSTERY-BOX

I think of that land as my neighbors land that I may be able to buy in a few years. They can therefore decorate it as they want, as long as it stays in their yard. It also allows those of you who clear cutt your land to enjoy the natural colors of the trees.

I’ve gotten one single scroll since update. I don’t play derby so I’ll clear all land in about 20 years from now at this rate.

So ... thanks for nothing?!

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I’ve gotten one single scroll since update. I don’t play derby so I’ll clear all land in about 20 years from now at this rate.

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Same here. Last three derbys and not a single permit, and that’s with shuffling one last week and today. I understand They don’t want it to be easy but this is downright ridiculous.

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I got two scrolls with one shuffle in the last Derby. In the current Derby I am up to the 8th column and no scrolls in columns 4 or 7. I wiil do one shuffle but if this does not produce any scrolls then thats it for the Derby as far as I am concerned.

I stopped doing the Derby once I had opened all the previous land, because for me it is too time consuming, the novelty wore off a long time ago and I now find it a bit boring. I only started again because its the only way to get scrolls. If thats not guaranteed, then I shall just forget about opening the new land.

Because frankly being disappointed each time is not fun, and the whole point of playing is for fun, is it not?

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I think the permits are absurdly scarce. They were rare before they were removed from the mystery boxes, but now they’re almost non-existent. It has been more than a month since the update, and we’ve only had one WOF with a scroll—and of course the chance of getting one without spending diamonds is slim.

So that only leaves the derby, which in my experience has been giving very few permits without reshuffling. So far I’ve spent 15-20 diamonds per derby reshuffling, in order to get 2 permits. If that continues to be the average, it will cost more than 1300 diamonds to get all of them—and will take about 1-1/2 years. I think that’s a ridiculous amount of time to wait when I’m spending that many diamonds. My alternative is to stop reshuffling and resign myself to waiting something like 3-5 years to get all the permits.

I wouldn’t mind the wait as much if the locked land weren’t so ugly. But I’m really annoyed that my choices are between a huge expense and extremely long wait—or no expense and insanely long wait—and either way I have to put up with a big eyesore for what seems like forever.

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Yes, and yes. For years, I have only opted into the Derby in order to get scrolls. During the original round of deco land expansion, I spent thousands of diamonds shuffling Derby prizes, opening tool chests and spinning the WoF. This time around, I was pleased that the Bingo Derby produced extra scrolls. (I got 6 that week with some shuffling.) The fun went out of it when I accidentally opened the wrong plot because I missed the small amount of land showing in the plot I wanted, and the game registered my tap as associated with a tree from a neighboring plot. I opened a second deco plot this week—the one that only requires 4 scrolls—and I’m done with chasing scrolls.

The Derby hasn’t been fun for me for years. I’ve dutifully tried each new type of Derby once. Nope, no fun. It makes absolutely no sense to me that participating in the Derby is the only way to get scrolls. Land expansion and designing new areas around my farm is my favorite thing. I would be even happier doing it if edit mode weren’t so clunky. I don’t do boats or trucks except for certain events, but I’m thrilled to put in a ton of effort when those special events show up. Having to slog through years of Derbying is not the same. I understand that SC is trying to curb the speed at which we complete the expansion, but this pushes it into the “don’t care, not gonna try” realm like the puzzle pieces. I ignore those, too. The sanctuary is just an overgrown decoration with “pets.”

^^^ s'funny but I really think SC are missing a trick with those of us that love the deco side of the game (possibly MORE) than all other aspects of the game combined lol

I too, live for decos... Live in edit mode... Am frequently on line but prettyfying my farm. It makes me happy. And yet, there doesn't seem to be enough targeted stuff just for "us"... I've invested heavily in my farm. Am happy to do so if I see something cute, but, we get left out a fair bit imo.

I play derby for decos, permits n puzzle pieces. Wish we had regular derby for decos, like the wisteria tree one, for example... I'd probably trample my farm kittens in order to get to THOSE sorta derby prizes!

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^^^ s'funny but I really think SC are missing a trick with those of us that love the deco side of the game (possibly MORE) than all other aspects of the game combined lol

I too, live for decos... Live in edit mode... Am frequently on line but prettyfying my farm. It makes me happy. And yet, there doesn't seem to be enough targeted stuff just for "us"... I've invested heavily in my farm. Am happy to do so if I see something cute, but, we get left out a fair bit imo.

I play derby for decos, permits n puzzle pieces. Wish we had regular derby for decos, like the wisteria tree one, for example... I'd probably trample my farm kittens in order to get to THOSE sorta derby prizes!

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I have decided that SC just doesn't care what we think. Maybe our comments are a good source of entertainment. We sure don't hear from them much except for a mystery quote

As long as we are adding decorations into the conversation...I too love to add new decorations to my farm. The derby is a thing of the past for me. I’ve given up ever acquiring the cute animated playground toys from the brain draining derby. Too time consuming, too many diamonds needed and zilch rewards or nearly zilch. Permits? Not happening. Puzzle pieces? Hahahaha!

If SC wants farmers to buy diamonds why not add the past (cute) decos to the list of decos to purchase or add them to WOF? I typically ignore the WOF as I have enough corn, eggs what-have-you without winning any additional thank you. The prizes are a joke. There are many many nice decos that players would love to purchase if given the chance. I would love the wisteria trees as well and the awesome tent with campfire. What a chance SC is passing up. I buy diamonds and mostly use them for decorations.

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I have decided that SC just doesn't care what we think. Maybe our comments are a good source of entertainment. We sure don't hear from them much except for a mystery quote

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Ach, you need one of ma chill pills, ma man... It's just a game, innit. Take a step back. Deep breath. And use the bits u like and live with the bits you don't. If you let the dissatisfaction creep in too much, you'll stop enjoying what is essentially just a pastime.

Sure, there are things that bug me but, I try and stay positive as best I can... Not always easy but, what did being down ever achieve? :)

Yannow?

Ps. Not belittling your feelings, or struggle... Just trying to say... Chin up:heart:

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I have decided that SC just doesn't care what we think. Maybe our comments are a good source of entertainment....

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I'd hope my comments entertain SC developers since their games have entertained me for over four years. :)

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I'd hope my comments entertain SC developers since their games have entertained me for over four years. :)

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I am debating myself on what is the most entertaining comment section to read , those on the online news sources I get or here .
And to correct myself, they do listen but it's selective hearing, something I found that some guys do as I had 2 tell me yes on it lol

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I had 3 permits in following derby after update and have 7 at all now. So it will take years to ever open all land and it looks like many more are needed than before. I see only 10 permits each area except 1 spot with 4.

But also I lost 9th horseshoe and 2 other in my hood too because we collected derby rewards after update and minimum points to get all 9 horseshoes got reduced with new update. Not a good move of SC I would say.

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Worse than that, the hidden ones need like 12, 13 or more permits

This discussion is amusing. SC is not a charity organisation offering Bingo afternoons for your entertainment but a commercial enterprise obliged to making profits. How are they making profits? By selling diamonds.

So, the entire purpose of the new land and the scrarcity of scrolls is to make you buy diamonds and spend them generously, either on shuffling the horseshoes or on the periodical truck-wheel events.

This strategy seems to work fine and things will only change when people dont spend enough diamonds on those two options anymore. They will then come up with a new great idea how to make you buy diamonds... that is it, as simple as it is.

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This discussion is amusing. SC is not a charity organisation offering Bingo afternoons for your entertainment but a commercial enterprise obliged to making profits. How are they making profits? By selling diamonds.

So, the entire purpose of the new land and the scrarcity of scrolls is to make you buy diamonds and spend them generously, either on shuffling the horseshoes or on the periodical truck-wheel events.

This strategy seems to work fine and things will only change when people dont spend enough diamonds on those two options anymore. They will then come up with a new great idea how to make you buy diamonds... that is it, as simple as it is.

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No one is asking them to be a charity, what we are asking is at least myself is that they put back the opportunity to get the permits as they had been before the last update . Nothing more as it is now they are harder to find.
And as far as them making money, true but there is a limit on how far one can go in that endeavor and it has been looking like they are going a little bit to far .

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This discussion is amusing. SC is not a charity organisation offering Bingo afternoons for your entertainment but a commercial enterprise obliged to making profits. How are they making profits? By selling diamonds.

So, the entire purpose of the new land and the scrarcity of scrolls is to make you buy diamonds and spend them generously, either on shuffling the horseshoes or on the periodical truck-wheel events.

This strategy seems to work fine and things will only change when people dont spend enough diamonds on those two options anymore. They will then come up with a new great idea how to make you buy diamonds... that is it, as simple as it is.

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Oh alrighty, thank you for clearing that up for us!

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No one is asking them to be a charity, what we are asking is at least myself is that they put back the opportunity to get the permits as they had been before the last update . Nothing more as it is now they are harder to find.
And as far as them making money, true but there is a limit on how far one can go in that endeavor and it has been looking like they are going a little bit to far .

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Well actually, why should they change anything as long as the majority of players acts according to plan? The limit is defined by turnover, as long as budgets are achieved and not endangered, there is absolutely no reason for change.

Though for the player the game and the experience is very personal, a company won't care for the individual. Have you ever seen a business plan saying: "Our goal is to make John Doe and Willy Smith very happy"? No, of course not. It will write "Target budget is xx Mio Dollar turnover very month". It is absolutely not important if John Doe and Willy Smith contribute 100 Dollar to the budget or not, as long as Jane Doe and Jack Miller do.

To avoid misunderstandings: I am annoyed about the scarcity of scrolls as well but as long as money flows into their pockets,I don't see them changing anything.

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Well actually, why should they change anything as long as the majority of players acts according to plan? The limit is defined by turnover, as long as budgets are achieved and not endangered, there is absolutely no reason for change.

Though for the player the game and the experience is very personal, a company won't care for the individual. Have you ever seen a business plan saying: "Our goal is to make John Doe and Willy Smith very happy"? No, of course not. It will write "Target budget is xx Mio Dollar turnover very month". It is absolutely not important if John Doe and Willy Smith contribute 100 Dollar to the budget or not, as long as Jane Doe and Jack Miller do.

To avoid misunderstandings: I am annoyed about the scarcity of scrolls as well but as long as money flows into their pockets,I don't see them changing anything.

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They did change the amount of scrolls , made it harder . And most business I have been to have the saying customer service and the customer is always right .
They would do good to go back to what is was before the update,I'm not ok with the drop rate . And there comes a time when trying to make more money does hurt your bottom line . People will buy less of what you are trying to sell , you can see it with some already.

Most business around here cut out service as much as possible, and know that the customer will put up with a lot. The local grocery store has put in automatic cashiers. Long line up at the cash registers that are opened, no one - and I mean no one - uses the automatic. So how did they decide the customer is always right? The closed all the cash registers but one. Never mind that the customers did not want to have to ring out and pack their own groceries. Now there are 20 people in line, and only a few very unhappy customers who really needed their items use the automatic. Me, I left my cart where it was and left the store.
Nice to know where ever Morgan lives they still respect customers. They sure do not here. I can ignore the land that I cannot open for lack of scrolls. That does not bother me in the least. I need groceries and have no where to shop. That makes me unhappy.

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Most business around here cut out service as much as possible, and know that the customer will put up with a lot. The local grocery store has put in automatic cashiers. Long line up at the cash registers that are opened, no one - and I mean no one - uses the automatic. So how did they decide the customer is always right? The closed all the cash registers but one. Never mind that the customers did not want to have to ring out and pack their own groceries. Now there are 20 people in line, and only a few very unhappy customers who really needed their items use the automatic. Me, I left my cart where it was and left the store.
Nice to know where ever Morgan lives they still respect customers. They sure do not here. I can ignore the land that I cannot open for lack of scrolls. That does not bother me in the least. I need groceries and have no where to shop. That makes me unhappy.

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Western Washington state, I guess I have been going to the local store long enough that I get good service and just the other day went to BK ,they got my order wrong and fixed it then didn't charge me for it. But I get what you mean .we have the same self check out and there are a few who use them . Most of the time there will be a checker who will do it for you .
Do you live in a big city? The pop. Here is about 14000 so it's still fairly small . Mostly rural.

OK, this is derailing this thread, but it's had a life span of 8 pages, and I'm the OP, so what the heck, here goes!

i resisted self checkout for years. My attitude was the company wasn't giving me any cost breaks so why should I be their unpaid cashier. Right?

However, that same company (we've all shopped there, they're out of Arkansas and the owner - long dead - used to visit his stores to be sure employees delivered to his expectations) will let one person hold up the speedy check out lane repeatedly for some moronic reason, or cashiers will stand and talk with friends who are checking out while the line grows. You'd think they were government employees. So, the self checks which used to be empty have become "the" checkout option of choice, and I am a happy convert. I no longer have to wait while losers happily and rudely make the rest of us wait, nor do I have to tolerate cashiers who cater to these jokers and leave the rest of us fuming. I have a short wait at most at self check, because "there" the goal is to leave the store. I scan my stuff, bag it, pay, and I'm gone. I am now appreciative of the store's "fix" to long lines and self-important dimwits. Eventually, the only people at regular checkout will be the people causing issues, and I will be happy they all have to wait on each other in the same line.

The other reason companies move to things like self check is to control their budgets, and their hassles. Self check doesn't call in sick on a snowy day, self check doesn't throw fits because the other self-check got a better schedule for the week, self check doesn't have unions, or employee benefits, or costly liability insurance. Self-check doesn't party too late the night before or mope around all day because the other self-check dumped it for a newer model. In short, self-check is the perfect employee. Companies owe it to their stockholders to find the most cost effective way to run a business, to get the best ROI, and more and more are moving away from the bother of humans to the peace of machines. As a former business owner, I'm right there with them.

So, to bring this back around to our game, companies look for ways to improve their bottom line. It's hard to imagine that by eliminating a source of revenue - the permits in mystery boxes - SC has accomplished that. Nick made it clear, in another thread, they have no plans to put them back in the boxes. They apparently also have no plans to improve the drop rates in the WOF or horseshoes. I've noticed that since the new land appeared, I've had to shuffle prizes at least once, to even see a permit. WOF I will not spend more than 3 diamonds on, so they don't get dollars from me there. I think a lot of what SC does leaves us scratching our heads. As for the land with decos, I've decided I just don't care. Open the land, don't open the land, given their decision to try and squeeze diamonds from us, I no longer care. It can stay locked for as long as I play the game. It's dead to me!

I opened the spot all the way to the far right with the beach deco - right below the soccer goal (which I haven’t opened yet) and that meant I can now ‘access’ the spot with the lighted tree at least to see what it requires.... It’s 13 permits. 49 each lems.

Im guessing the spots with the basketball hoop and beach deco further in are 12-15 permits each.

Sigh.

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I opened the spot all the way to the far right with the beach deco - right below the soccer goal (which I haven’t opened yet) and that meant I can now ‘access’ the spot with the lighted tree at least to see what it requires.... It’s 13 permits. 49 each lems.

Im guessing the spots with the basketball hoop and beach deco further in are 12-15 permits each.

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The area with the basketball hoop requires 13 permits. I'm going to open that on Monday after I get 2 Permits in my derby prizes. Then I will be able to see all the other areas and how many permits are required to open all of them.

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The area with the basketball hoop requires 13 permits. I'm going to open that on Monday after I get 2 Permits in my derby prizes. Then I will be able to see all the other areas and how many permits are required to open all of them.

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So how did you get that many permits?

I would like to hear from farmers who are getting permits and where they are finding them. I have 9, but I have not been actively seeking them out, however, several of my friend bar friends are opening the permit land quite quickly.

they all seem to be avid harvesters... that is the only connection I can see.

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I would like to hear from farmers who are getting permits and where they are finding them. I have 9, but I have not been actively seeking them out, however, several of my friend bar friends are opening the permit land quite quickly.

they all seem to be avid harvesters... that is the only connection I can see.

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My only source, so far, has been the WOF truck. I have had 4 on each of my farms from that, plus one from Greg’s Advent calendar. I do not play the Derbies any more. They make me crazy...

I’ve managed to open two of them - a 10 one with the soccer goal and the 4 one with the cactus urn thing....I still have 1 permit left. I got 2 per week after shuffling and managed 6 the week we had the double permit horseshoes. A friend managed 8 in that derby so she’s opened three plots as of Monday.

I should also mention I did get lucky during WOF event and got a permit first spin for free. I didn’t spend for another.

Its still ridiculously slow going.

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I would like to hear from farmers who are getting permits and where they are finding them. I have 9, but I have not been actively seeking them out, however, several of my friend bar friends are opening the permit land quite quickly.

they all seem to be avid harvesters... that is the only connection I can see.

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Permits only come from derby horseshoe prizes and the WOF.

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OK, this is derailing this thread, but it's had a life span of 8 pages, and I'm the OP, so what the heck, here goes!

i resisted self checkout for years. My attitude was the company wasn't giving me any cost breaks so why should I be their unpaid cashier. Right?

However, that same company (we've all shopped there, they're out of Arkansas and the owner - long dead - used to visit his stores to be sure employees delivered to his expectations) will let one person hold up the speedy check out lane repeatedly for some moronic reason, or cashiers will stand and talk with friends who are checking out while the line grows. You'd think they were government employees. So, the self checks which used to be empty have become "the" checkout option of choice, and I am a happy convert. I no longer have to wait while losers happily and rudely make the rest of us wait, nor do I have to tolerate cashiers who cater to these jokers and leave the rest of us fuming. I have a short wait at most at self check, because "there" the goal is to leave the store. I scan my stuff, bag it, pay, and I'm gone. I am now appreciative of the store's "fix" to long lines and self-important dimwits. Eventually, the only people at regular checkout will be the people causing issues, and I will be happy they all have to wait on each other in the same line.

The other reason companies move to things like self check is to control their budgets, and their hassles. Self check doesn't call in sick on a snowy day, self check doesn't throw fits because the other self-check got a better schedule for the week, self check doesn't have unions, or employee benefits, or costly liability insurance. Self-check doesn't party too late the night before or mope around all day because the other self-check dumped it for a newer model. In short, self-check is the perfect employee. Companies owe it to their stockholders to find the most cost effective way to run a business, to get the best ROI, and more and more are moving away from the bother of humans to the peace of machines. As a former business owner, I'm right there with them.

So, to bring this back around to our game, companies look for ways to improve their bottom line. It's hard to imagine that by eliminating a source of revenue - the permits in mystery boxes - SC has accomplished that. Nick made it clear, in another thread, they have no plans to put them back in the boxes. They apparently also have no plans to improve the drop rates in the WOF or horseshoes. I've noticed that since the new land appeared, I've had to shuffle prizes at least once, to even see a permit. WOF I will not spend more than 3 diamonds on, so they don't get dollars from me there. I think a lot of what SC does leaves us scratching our heads. As for the land with decos, I've decided I just don't care. Open the land, don't open the land, given their decision to try and squeeze diamonds from us, I no longer care. It can stay locked for as long as I play the game. It's dead to me!

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I'll send you a pm later . As to permits I to would like to know how some are getting them .i was able to open 1 section with what I already has before the update and have not gotten any more .none in the column and none spinning the WOF .

I got 5 in the Bingo Derby (the three Bingo lines plus columns 4 and 7), 4 in the New Years Derby (two in column 4 and two in column 7), 1 from the Advent Calendar, 5 from the Wheel when they had the special event (I spun the wheel 60 times), and 2 from each of the other derbies.