[ 1 & only ] CWL match up thread

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Originally Posted by Sqwook

Exactly ^^^

And if someone disagrees with them then they are being “dishonest” or pushing a “narrative”.

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Only when they Disagree by dismissing without actually taking the time to review the material provided, and instead go on whimsical unrelated tangents. Please by all means summarize what I was proposing, I’ll wait.

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Originally Posted by Tvsever

Only when they Disagree by dismissing without actually taking the time to review the material provided, and instead go on whimsical unrelated tangents. Please by all means summarize what I was proposing, I’ll wait.

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I have already told you that others have done that! I’m not going to waste my time. I’m having more fun playing cwl. Having some really close wars atm. Winning half and half (but clearly the system isn’t working***sarcasm***)

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Originally Posted by Tvsever

And some people have no vision for good product design they can only see what’s in front of them and try to make sense of it. They never stop and think, if I could iterate this, how would I iterate it? If you have a great car with a bad set of tires do you suffer them and clammer on about you can make up for the bad tires by understearing the car, do you throw the car out and buy a new one, or do you recognize the good points, identify the flaws and simply replace the tires?

CWL has a good set of bones and a few flaws, identify the flaws and resolve them and everyone wins? If your solution is to find user based work around for a flawed system you’re putting the burden on your customers and that is poor design

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The problem is the definition of a bad set of tires. Do they need more grip? Less grip? What fix makes everyone win? Guarantee if it were an exact th level and weight match, the bottom 4 would be on the forum complaining of unfair matches. Many of the proposed fixes are throw the baby out with the bathwater variety. I'm more in the let's see how things settle out camp. And, btw, we are getting stomped this round. Some mismatches, some I'm going to put on the only gets wallbreakers in cc forever for not taking the free exposed th star. :facepalm:

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Originally Posted by Noctaire

What was your initial lineup for the first season? Just glancing at your clan, I see 3 TH12s in the top 5 ranking. I’m guessing you took more for the first season than you have now. How many stars are you getting?

Tanking is a problem and it needs attention. IMNSHO, any clan where they execute 10 or less of their attacks (or maybe earning less than 10 stars) in each war should be declared tanking and penalized by forcing them to sit out the next season or assigning them to a low priority queue with other clans that have done the same.

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We didn't know how weighting worked round 1. We had 2 TH12 at the time (as described by the one new one now). The second one does not war and thus counted as weight where he wouldn't have otherwise. Two TH11s were in a similar position.

Right now we're getting about 25-30 stars per war. It turns out TH8s can't dent TH10s and the rest of the matchups across the board have been beyond dumb.

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Originally Posted by Ajax

Correct.

Not sure why you felt a need to say it tough, since nobody has suggested otherwise.

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My point was that you can be in a situation like ours where you definitely aren't in the right place but the system keeps you where you are because it's "right".

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Originally Posted by Ajax

How on earth were you placed in Crystal 1 with that line up?

That line up would expect to be more around Crystal 3 or Gold 1.

Though quite a few of our opponents in Crystal 1 last time did have a TH9 (and so did we). But at the top end it was typically 3-6 Th12s, 7-9 Th11s, with a few having more Th11s than that.

With no Th11s below position 8, you were definitely too high.

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I agree - see above. We got placed in Crystal 3, won two war leagues because... well we win roughly 80-90% of wars where there is any semblance of weighting.

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Originally Posted by Ajax

No they don't, and won't. They can't without completely changing the whole nature and intent of CWL.

Yes, there are a few clans in your sort of position, but most seem to be rather better placed than that.

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Screwing the hardcore fanbase is a good way to sink a game and company historically.

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Originally Posted by SLEEKYx16

Screwing the hardcore fanbase is a good way to sink a game and company historically.

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How do you know who the hardcore fan base is?

Do you know what percentage of players that 'hardcore fan base' consists of?

Do you know how much that 'hardcore fan base' spends on the game?

Do you know what the 'hardcore fan base' really thinks about the CWL?

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Originally Posted by SLEEKYx16

We didn't know how weighting worked round 1. We had 2 TH12 at the time (as described by the one new one now). The second one does not war and thus counted as weight where he wouldn't have otherwise. Two TH11s were in a similar position.

Right now we're getting about 25-30 stars per war. It turns out TH8s can't dent TH10s and the rest of the matchups across the board have been beyond dumb.




My point was that you can be in a situation like ours where you definitely aren't in the right place but the system keeps you where you are because it's "right".



I agree - see above. We got placed in Crystal 3, won two war leagues because... well we win roughly 80-90% of wars where there is any semblance of weighting.



Screwing the hardcore fanbase is a good way to sink a game and company historically.

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We've been in crystal 1 all three rounds with a similar lineup. Kind of hoping to drop to crystal2 but we seem to be doing just a bit too well.

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Originally Posted by iGroot

How do you know who the hardcore fan base is?

Do you know what percentage of players that 'hardcore fan base' consists of?

Do you know how much that 'hardcore fan base' spends on the game?

Do you know what the 'hardcore fan base' really thinks about the CWL?

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I know that the more competitive people are typically within the demographic and I know that in clash this doesn't necessarily translate to pushing every base to true max. I know that "more progressed is better" has never been the mentality of the hardcore war base: what almost everyone imagine war league catering to.

I also know that having an attitude of leaving a clan which identifies closer to that side of the group in a perpetual state of being screwed in the system as acceptable is a terrible idea. I know how roughly 90 other people view this system and I know how they identify as well.

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Originally Posted by Piper139

We've been in crystal 1 all three rounds with a similar lineup. Kind of hoping to drop to crystal2 but we seem to be doing just a bit too well.

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I hope you're able to get out of the purgatory soon as well :)

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Originally Posted by Piper139

The problem is the definition of a bad set of tires. Do they need more grip? Less grip? What fix makes everyone win? Guarantee if it were an exact th level and weight match, the bottom 4 would be on the forum complaining of unfair matches. Many of the proposed fixes are throw the baby out with the bathwater variety. I'm more in the let's see how things settle out camp. And, btw, we are getting stomped this round. Some mismatches, some I'm going to put on the only gets wallbreakers in cc forever for not taking the free exposed th star. :facepalm:

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Oh for sure, you are never going to find a solution that makes everyone happy but you start by giving everyone the same tool-set to play with you, at least then have a good foundation for a skill based competitive environment, which is universal for any well adopted game, be it chess, starcraft, counter strike, or pong.

And of course we really don't have any option but to hurry up and wait, which is why we are on the forum theory crafting while we search the clouds, heh.

As far as the tires, it was just a loose analogy not meant for in depth exploration of compound chemistry of a mickey Thompson related to a nitto ;P

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Originally Posted by Tvsever

And some people have no vision for good product design they can only see what’s in front of them and try to make sense of it. They never stop and think, if I could iterate this, how would I iterate it? If you have a great car with a bad set of tires do you suffer them and clammer on about you can make up for the bad tires by understearing the car, do you throw the car out and buy a new one, or do you recognize the good points, identify the flaws and simply replace the tires?

CWL has a good set of bones and a few flaws, identify the flaws, resolve them and everyone wins? If your solution is to find user based work around for a flawed system you’re putting the burden on your customers and that is poor design

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Some people mistakenly think someone else has lack of vision when in fact they just actually like the thing that the first person is claiming is a flaw.

There are a few things I would change about war leagues. The main thing being complained of here, though, the lack of weight matching, is not one of them. I like it.

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Originally Posted by Sqwook

I have already told you that others have done that! I’m not going to waste my time. I’m having more fun playing cwl. Having some really close wars atm. Winning half and half (but clearly the system isn’t working***sarcasm***)

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:facepalm: Just believe me, I don't support my claims with any proof! I told you it won't work because I said so to other people so it must be true! Also it works for me, so there is no way it could ever be a better experience, do you even read what you write? :facepalm: