Echeneis : New Troop for Dark Barracks Idea

Echeneis or Frost

Frost is a creature that lives in the poles. It is believed that this creature can freeze water with only its breath.

Stat
Level 1

Hitpoints : 285
Favorite Target : Defensive structures
Targets : Ground
Damage per second : 0
Freeze per second : 0.4s
Attack time : 5s (One attack means 2 seconds of freeze to the defensive structure)
Area of freeze : 2.5 Tiles
Train in : Dark Barracks
Training Cost : 300 DE
Attack type : Range (5 tiles)
Housing space : 12
Training time : 8 minutes

Level 2

Hitpoints : 320
Favorite Target : Defensive Structures
Targets : Ground
Damage per second : 0
Freeze per second : 0.5
Attack time : 5s (One attack means 2.5 seconds of freezing to the defensive structure[s])
Area of freeze : 2.5 Tiles
Train in : Dark Barracks
Cost : 340 DE
Attack type : Range (5 tiles)
Housing Space : 12
Training Time : 8 minutes

The appearance would be something like a spirit floating with dark-snowy aura around it. Note that clan troops which are flying troops will not be frozen, only ground troops can. It will hit the nearest defensive structure. Upon dying, it will explode (like Golem) and things withing 3.5 radius will be frozen for 2 seconds. A very fragile thing. Can also freeze CC troops. Cannot freeze Healers, Dragons, Minions and other flying troops. Freeze time, cost, and HP increase as it is upgraded in Lab.

Ground troop, invulnerable to Air Defense, Training time : 12 minutes. Movement speed : 12. Picture will be like :

Well, what do you think? I would love critics and also helpful supports from all the community here, but please, if you do want to criticise, no offensive words nor manners included. Thanks.. And I was hoping that it would be light blue with its body, but dark blue frosty aura around him. And note that the picture posted below isn't what I am expecting, but at least the glowing spirit flame is much like what I imagine.

Arch Enemy of the Inferno Tower : Inferno Tower will shoot these creatures if are not frozen immediately. Favorite target of an Inferno Tower.

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Good Idea I think it a great troop idea but raise hit points

With high hitpoints,mit would be almost impossible for people who has the troop as clan castle reinforcement. If it has like 350 HP, then it will not die of Lightning spell. This monster, if is donated into clan castles, is going to destroy the offensive players utterly which is why the alternative to kill this monster is by the lightning spell.

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This would certainly effect high level gameplay if implemented. I think the idea is great!

This is quite an innovative idea! However, right now that 4.5 radius is ridiculous. I say decrease the radius to 0.3 (same as wizard), buff the health to 300 or so and decrease the housing space to 10. Also, the cost needs to be decreased... perhaps to 100-200 DE. Loved the idea though

Also change the name to something more generic, which is more of CoC style. Frost? Blizz? Ice Maniac? Something along these lines

Hmm... No, I am afraid that I cannot buff it up, but decreasing the radius, that is another thing. 4.5 tiles are not really big you know? And it shoots only 5 seconds after each attack, freezes for 2 seconds. Freezing a single defensive structure for 2 seconds will not be useful, which is why it is 4.5 tiles and cost and housing space is also increased. But if you still insist on changing the radius, please tell me the reason why it is ridiculous. Oh and, multiple freezing will not increase the time of the structures frozen, it will just reset them back to 2 seconds.

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Originally Posted by R5ich

And if you have reasonable arguments about why hitpoints should be high, beating the reply I posted above about this monster in CC, then I would re-consider it and I will change it.

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If you decreased the radius, yes, it would be "too weak" if it had 140 health. If you decreased the radius to 0.3 like the wizard's you would be freezing one building at a time or a cluster of troops at once and it would then be fair to increase its health and lower the housing space. I just don't think that 4.5 splash radius is realistic for any unit to have on their attack (and I think supercell agrees). I really like the idea so I'm just trying to help put it into more "Supercell" terms if that makes sense. With buffed health but only a .3 splash tile radius "Frost" would still be effective but not OP that would have to be desperately taken out by lightning...

Makes quite much sense, I like your idea. Decreased cost then? And, sorry, but do I need to post back or just edit the post? I am quite new to these forums. Decreased cost to 300 maybe? 200 something is kinda too cheap?

Which one do you prefer and why?

Well the witch costs around 240-250 and some people complain that's really high so I'm thinking around that same cost range would be fair? As for housing space it depends on how much health it has... It's really still your idea so try give us some updated stats and I will let you know further thoughts on it ?

I have updated the infos, cost will be 300 DE as it hurls an attack which freezes 2.5 radius of area. And it also has increased health, which is 200, figured out that it won't die as easily with Mortars and Wizard Towers. Housing space of 15 and speed of Witches. This way, it doesn't power fluctuation in clan castle as troops can hit it, and it also isn't overpowered in defenses as it can only freeze a maximum of 2 defenses at a time. What do you think?

6/10 good idea.Also,you do know you edit a post right?

I just don't think it freezing 2 buildings at once is gonna happen... Since it only goes for defenses what happens if it's a regular building next to it? Does it freeze as well? But that doesn't do anything. I recommend figuring out a way where it only affects one building at a time. But it's up to you. Also, yeah you can just edit the original post bud...

It doesn 't freeze regular buildings, it is a troop imbued with ice magic just as how the freezing spell works. The freezing spell freezes defensive buildings only and this troop alao onky freezes defensive buildings.

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Originally Posted by R5ich

It doesn 't freeze regular buildings, it is a troop imbued with ice magic just as how the freezing spell works. The freezing spell freezes defensive buildings only and this troop alao onky freezes defensive buildings.

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Think of it this way my friend, the healer has the same kind of healing powers as does the healing spell, but you don't see the healers sending out 5 tiles radius of healing rays..... That would be way too OP. I'm arguing for the same thing here, it's cool that "Frost" has the same kind of freezing powers as the freezing spell but that doesn't mean his ability should remotely have the same splash radius!

But it doesn't, Freezing spell has a radius of 3.5 tiles and it can freeze up to 4 buildings or more with longer time duration. And this troop can only freezes 2.5 tiles. Healer has an AoE of like 1.5 tiles. 2.5 tiles would only be like two defenses or 3 and freezing one defensive structure would only make no sense. If Giants and troops are attacking that defensive structure, sure do the defensive building will die immediately and therefore, no point in freezing it. But if you can freeze multiple like 3 or 2, then it is different. Get it?

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Originally Posted by R5ich

But it doesn't, Freezing spell has a radius of 3.5 tiles and it can freeze up to 4 buildings or more with longer time duration. And this troop can only freezes 2.5 tiles. Healer has an AoE of like 1.5 tiles. 2.5 tiles would only be like two defenses or 3 and freezing one defensive structure would only make no sense. If Giants and troops are attacking that defensive structure, sure do the defensive building will die immediately and therefore, no point in freezing it. But if you can freeze multiple like 3 or 2, then it is different. Get it?

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And the healing has a radius of 5... There definitely is a point in freezing buildings, even if only one at a time... But 2.5 isn't enough to freeze 2 anyway especially when most defense buildings are not right next to each other so I guess that's fine. You should just decrease the housing space? Also, I'm assuming the freezing wouldnt stack if multiple frosts attack at the same time?

You may now wonder "But Healer has only 1.5 tiles". Then it is simple, troops tend to gather together and that way, the Healer can already heal those clusters of troops. But when it comes to defensive structures, they are bigger, and that is why 2.5 tiles radius can only freeze a maximum of 2 or 3, but three is only for when it comes to very near-placed defensive structures like 2 Teslas and 1 inferno. It is not OP, why? Because it freezes for 2 seconds and don't forget that it needs 5 seconds of cooldown to freeze again. And it has 285 HP, easily dead if it is open to attacks.

Finally, thank you for getting my idea. And yes, it won't stack as I have said before. It will only reset the time back to two seconds. Oh, and I was referring to Healer as 1.5 radius, not the Healing Spell.

0 to 10, how much would you give and why?

The trebuchet would a slow moving, low hit point unit that would take up 15 space, and cost 10,000 elixir. However, it would have a 6 tile range and deal out a massive 200 damage at level one. At level one, its wooden. at level 2, its wooden with some iron spikes and whatnot and fires a bigger boulder. At level 3 The trebuchet is fully iron and has a black boulder. At level 4 it has fully iron with golden spikes and fires a flaming boulder.

I am sorry, but you can post a new thread by yourself and not my interfering my thread. Thank you.

How would this work out? It's speed needs to be quite fast in order to get to the middle of a base to freeze important buildings, and how does it move from those buildings to new ones?

I likey but needs AI improvements and more insight

It doesn't have to freeze important buildings. It only freezes specifically defensive structures. May it be Cannons or Archer Towers. It will hinder the enemies attacks by quite a huge amount since Archer Tower and Cannon is a one point defense, they have high attacks although not splashed. Slow movement speed doesn't make it go rushing around and being hit and die. It is like a support troop. Moving like witch, with witch range, and hinder enemies attacks. It doesn't have to actually hinder the important defensive structures assaults. Basically a freeze spell power-imbued troop that we can't control which targets it hit since CoC's strategy is about deploying troops at the right place. And if you are worrying about Golems or Giants getting into the middle of the village first, it won't happen as Frost has preferred targets as those troops have and thus, it will most likely follow them because they also hit the nearest defensive structures. Note that this can only happen with correct and strategical deploying. While if Frost has a fast movement speed, then it would be likely that it will go forward first, get hit by other defensive buildings other than the one it freezes :D

So, what do you think? 0 to 10.

might want to raise the price a little bit and time since a renewing freeze spell with life and a mind of its own

Thank you for your attention, I also agree with increasing the price. 400 DE maybe? Price increase per level upgraded. So 400 for level 1?

K, I am changing it to 400 DE because of the reason that we don't need many of it, although many might help, so to limit the abuse of its powers, I am going to increase the cost so that people won't train like 5 for one time raid. Thanks.

And how do we know if SC likes this?

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Originally Posted by R5ich

And how do we know if SC likes this?

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If they include it in the next update.

So... No more opinions? There were only a few people commenting... Others?

Great idea but raise hitpoints.
Would love to see this implemented in the next update

-visibly

Thank you! It is only level one, don't think that it should have a really high HP just yet.

Comments...

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Originally Posted by Tridenia

Good Idea I think it a great troop idea but raise hit points

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No man. If they can do these awesome things they need to have an vulnerability/

How about making a hero with these skills?

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Originally Posted by AdityatheFirst

No man. If they can do these awesome things they need to have an vulnerability/

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Well, their vulnerability is the Inferno Tower and low HP :D

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Originally Posted by R5ich

Echeneis or Frost

Frost is a creature that lives in the poles. It is believed that this creature can freeze water with only its breath.

Stat
Level 1

Hitpoints : 285
Favorite Target : Defensive structures
Targets : Ground
Damage per second : 0
Freeze per second : 0.4s
Attack time : 5s (One attack means 2 seconds of freeze to the defensive structure)
Area of freeze : 2.5 Tiles
Train in : Dark Barracks
Training Cost : 300 DE
Attack type : Range (5 tiles)
Housing space : 12
Training time : 8 minutes

Level 2

Hitpoints : 320
Favorite Target : Defensive Structures
Targets : Ground
Damage per second : 0
Freeze per second : 0.5
Attack time : 5s (One attack means 2.5 seconds of freezing to the defensive structure[s])
Area of freeze : 2.5 Tiles
Train in : Dark Barracks
Cost : 340 DE
Attack type : Range (5 tiles)
Housing Space : 12
Training Time : 8 minutes

The appearance would be something like a spirit floating with dark-snowy aura around it. Note that clan troops which are flying troops will not be frozen, only ground troops can. It will hit the nearest defensive structure. Upon dying, it will explode (like Golem) and things withing 3.5 radius will be frozen for 2 seconds. A very fragile thing. Can also freeze CC troops. Cannot freeze Healers, Dragons, Minions and other flying troops. Freeze time, cost, and HP increase as it is upgraded in Lab.

Ground troop, invulnerable to Air Defense, Training time : 12 minutes. Movement speed : 12. Picture will be like :

Well, what do you think? I would love critics and also helpful supports from all the community here, but please, if you do want to criticise, no offensive words nor manners included. Thanks.. And I was hoping that it would be light blue with its body, but dark blue frosty aura around him. And note that the picture posted below isn't what I am expecting, but at least the glowing spirit flame is much like what I imagine.

Arch Enemy of the Inferno Tower : Inferno Tower will shoot these creatures if are not frozen immediately. Favorite target of an Inferno Tower.

-TL

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Originally Posted by Markuchev

This is quite an innovative idea! However, right now that 4.5 radius is ridiculous. I say decrease the radius to 0.3 (same as wizard), buff the health to 300 or so and decrease the housing space to 10. Also, the cost needs to be decreased... perhaps to 100-200 DE. Loved the idea though

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No. 2 radius would be enough. I'd like to see
Two defense turrets being frozen at the same time. Range should be like witch.

I really like the idea and would love to see something of this nature implemented into the game. I really think that it would change the way the game is played and work well with several different army compositions.

I do have one question though....What does "Frost Bite" do if there are no defensive buildings close enough to the walls for it to reach them? It won't be able to attack the walls because it doesn't have any direct DPS statistic. Is it then going to go walking around the base until it finds a target it can hit? Or just stand there in limbo like the healer when she has no target to heal? I Would suggest that you give it a lowered DPS of say 35 which is the same as a level 1 minion.

Just some food for thought.

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Originally Posted by harveyson1975

I really like the idea and would love to see something of this nature implemented into the game. I really think that it would change the way the game is played and work well with several different army compositions.

I do have one question though....What does "Frost Bite" do if there are no defensive buildings close enough to the walls for it to reach them? It won't be able to attack the walls because it doesn't have any direct DPS statistic. Is it then going to go walking around the base until it finds a target it can hit? Or just stand there in limbo like the healer when she has no target to heal? I Would suggest that you give it a lowered DPS of say 35 which is the same as a level 1 minion.

Just some food for thought.

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Or witch's dps.