[Discussion] Why are bases rated this way?

The reason I don't like vault is, vault relies on trap use too much, or too gimmicky. when you go to sleep at night, some attacker can fail to get any of your loot and ate through all the traps. Then you are susceptible to further attacks for the rest of the night with no traps to help your base defend(the subsequent attackers will follow the tombstones knowing there is no traps in that route). A segmented base functions just as fine without traps.

Another point is, when attackers plan their attacks, they will try to get their armies to get as many storages as possible. At the same time, you will be given a shield if one takes 2 or more gold storages down, most likely. But not for a vault, an attacker can dump many spells in a short timespan knowing there is just one goal. And it very likely can result a 39%. Doesn't matter if your loot is taken from that raid though, because without a shield, you are vulnerable to further attacks(with empty CC and unarmed traps).

So in a way, it's more likely to get a shield when you have a segmented base. When the attacker wants to get more of your storages, at the same time they are trying to give you a shield.

I thought I'd stay away from Global, but guess I will pitch in on this :rolleyes:

The same principle on Vaults, risking to lose all in order to keep majority of attacks getting none has stayed the same since the beginning of the game. In the past, people were not worried at all to lose 50-100k from 1-2 storages, but somehow losing 200k very rarely was too shocking. Hence, the strong dislike on vaults. The first few discussions I started soon after joining the forums marked me as the oddball, who actually thought, that vaults would actually be a good option. But even then, I was reluctant to give my (not overly) hard eard pennies to all kinds of sad attackers.

But now the tables have turned. Everyone and their mothers can toss a full army on a cloistered/divided base and get 1-2 containers each type, at worst taking along 200/200k. And if the DE is there, too, that's quite a payoff. After the loot update, I have been relentlessly attacked by huge armies and spells dropping off the sky. Biggest loss: 100/100k. Now that my infernos are both up, the attacks shifted from huge armies to TH snipes, but that's only 2 days now so can't say for sure yet.

Fact is, that most of the attacks on a "good" base are either TH snipes, sad attempts of attacks that waste all the resources and get very little done OR full blown steamrollings. So from 100 attacks, if 99 of them stay completely away from your honeypots and that 1 attack you lose all, that's still a lot less than giving 100k to 1/4 of attacks... Well, on my math at least. But this argument didn't matter way back when... But now it seems to hold water :rolleyes:

For me, I never did care and still don't, what others think of my base. Is it rated 1/10 or 10/10, it's all the same as long as I am happy with the base. Trying to convince others of one's base's superiority is also a futile stunt. Gloryhogs will make fancy tube videos of mediocre base (some have good bases, too :rolleyes:) and the sheep will flock in, blaming their own upgrade levels for every loss, instead of the design. But hey, the worse the bases others have, moar loot for me :cool:

Most important factor of any base (design) still is: is the owner happy about the base.

(Reason, why there isn't yet a thread on TH10 vault, is that so far only few are interested in such. TH9ers and 8ers on the other hand have shown far greater interest in such ;) But that's just few taps away to start one, if there's someone to take lead.)

For me, when I see a properly segmented(with upgraded defense) base with TH outside, I will just take the TH and go. I will not really risk to get that 1-2 storages as there is a chance that I might fail.

When I see a vault base(with upgraded defense) base with TH outside, I might be tempted to give it a go if it is a full store(350k for TH9, 400k for TH10). As such, lesser TH snipe compared to segmented bases.

Thus, while vault bases might fare better in real attacks(losing lesser storage), properly segmented bases might get more TH snipes. So in the end, the segmented bases might be better(losing lesser storage as there is lesser real attacks) in average of 100 defense (mixture of TH snipe and real attack)

No real data to back this up. Purely my worthless thoughts.:o:o:o

I'll be interested to see what the general consensus is on this. I am not convinced on vaults yet and of course trophy ranges is a huge factor in this as well.

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Originally Posted by lim81

For me, when I see a properly segmented(with upgraded defense) base with TH outside, I will just take the TH and go. I will not really risk to get that 1-2 storages as there is a chance that I might fail.

When I see a vault base(with upgraded defense) base with TH outside, I might be tempted to give it a go if it is a full store(350k for TH9, 400k for TH10). As such, lesser TH snipe compared to segmented bases.

Thus, while vault bases might fare better in real attacks(losing lesser storage), properly segmented bases might get more TH snipes. So in the end, the segmented bases might be better(losing lesser storage as there is lesser real attacks) in average of 100 defense (mixture of TH snipe and real attack)

No real data to back this up. Purely my worthless thoughts.:o:o:o

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Hogs and bloons, segment all you want ;) it's the sad attacks I'm concerned about.

Now these days Im coming up with a compilation of designs but I was going to rate it the normal way but I realized that bases like toby and cake has bases that pretty much are way more sophisticated then the usual every day tesla theme etc.now cakes base is pretty kick-♥♥♥ vault that barely loses gold, more higher ratio of gold loss for the segmented usually.Bases that are less common tend to do better.Now there should be a way to rate a trophy base but obviously there isn't so you cant judge vaults because they are leaning more the trophy bases which are very tricky a deceitful,gold is like their town hall.The vaults value high hit points and tricky AI rather than segments and funnels.In a way vaults are a new breed of farming bases and the segmented one is another entirely different farming base.Hope that sums it bye.CHOW;)

I'd like to chip in on this one.
The decision to go vault vs segmented depends on a few things

1> Trophy Range: This dictates the type of attacks you're going to face.

Sub 1700 , you are faced with farming attacks and "morning armies". These range from 2 healer plus giants, barb/archer/minion or the morning attacks of Golems/Wiz/Peeka or just all dragons. In ALL these cases, having segmented designs clearly trump having a vault design. Because these armies really on REACHING a target, to inflict damage. Walls stop that. segmented = Win.

1700 - 2100: Absolute worst position to be in. Here you're going to face the above attacks, plus the MiniBall (Balloon/Minion) and the Hog attacks. The latter 2 are specifically designed to offset segmentation, so sooner or later, you're going to get wiped

2100+ : So it gets serious here. Everyone wants trophies, very little sniping available . Big armies. Majority MiniBall + Hogs. These armies favour attacking defences. The goal here is to make them spend as much time as possible attacking defenses, so no time for storages. This involves designing bases that are merry go rounds. Also, clashers in this trophy range are more "maxed". at least level 8 walls. Maxed defences, multiple xbows + infernos etc. If you're at this stage, vault is the way to go

2> Frequency of play
Casual Gamers ride shields a lot. Losing a few storages doesn't hurt as much as losing all. Go segmented
Active gamers focus on completing a lot of attacks daily, can re arm traps more often etc. Go Vault

3> Defence Level
If you don't have maxed defences for your level, walls help out be elongating attack time. Attacks may be able to overpower your base, but segmentation forces them to run out time before they can 3 star you

On the other hand, if defences are maxed, Then forcing all your defenses to protect a very limited area creates a massive damage overlap. Splash + Absurd point damage will obliterate armies. Go Vault

4> TH Level
Here is the new one post update.
The fundamental problem with a vault is the excessive overlap when using spells. Eg 1 Heal spell could heal all troops that make it inside the vault. 1 Rage spell could cover 80% of storages etc.
TH 10 negates this with the Disco Ball update. The inferno tower doesn't allow troops affected to be healed. So, vaults became much more viable

TH10 - Vault
TH9 and lower - Segmentation

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Originally Posted by Funguy

I switched to tamraps vault for th8 and it worked great haven't been raided for a couple of weeks now weird lol? Only th snipes

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Yeah, I hear tomrapp is a great base designer :rolleyes:

Going sub 200 is a perfect example of why the vault works great. I used a vault design that would consistently get attacked by noobs. They see 500k gold from a high level base and they want it.
The noobs would use a full out army with giants archers wallbreakers, the standard. Occasionally they would get like 30%, never more. And if one of my storages had been out further out they might have reached one. Resulting in a big loss from that one slip
Instead of the outside storages I had been using the vault. Never once did they get even close to the vault that holds my clan castle, my two gold storages and my dark elixir.

To to sum it up I like the vault a lot for farming 1600 less. I havnt tried it any higher.

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Originally Posted by OJM

I thought I'd stay away from Global, but guess I will pitch in on this :rolleyes:

The same principle on Vaults, risking to lose all in order to keep majority of attacks getting none has stayed the same since the beginning of the game. In the past, people were not worried at all to lose 50-100k from 1-2 storages, but somehow losing 200k very rarely was too shocking. Hence, the strong dislike on vaults. The first few discussions I started soon after joining the forums marked me as the oddball, who actually thought, that vaults would actually be a good option. But even then, I was reluctant to give my (not overly) hard eard pennies to all kinds of sad attackers.

But now the tables have turned. Everyone and their mothers can toss a full army on a cloistered/divided base and get 1-2 containers each type, at worst taking along 200/200k. And if the DE is there, too, that's quite a payoff. After the loot update, I have been relentlessly attacked by huge armies and spells dropping off the sky. Biggest loss: 100/100k. Now that my infernos are both up, the attacks shifted from huge armies to TH snipes, but that's only 2 days now so can't say for sure yet.

Fact is, that most of the attacks on a "good" base are either TH snipes, sad attempts of attacks that waste all the resources and get very little done OR full blown steamrollings. So from 100 attacks, if 99 of them stay completely away from your honeypots and that 1 attack you lose all, that's still a lot less than giving 100k to 1/4 of attacks... Well, on my math at least. But this argument didn't matter way back when... But now it seems to hold water :rolleyes:

For me, I never did care and still don't, what others think of my base. Is it rated 1/10 or 10/10, it's all the same as long as I am happy with the base. Trying to convince others of one's base's superiority is also a futile stunt. Gloryhogs will make fancy tube videos of mediocre base (some have good bases, too :rolleyes:) and the sheep will flock in, blaming their own upgrade levels for every loss, instead of the design. But hey, the worse the bases others have, moar loot for me :cool:

Most important factor of any base (design) still is: is the owner happy about the base.

(Reason, why there isn't yet a thread on TH10 vault, is that so far only few are interested in such. TH9ers and 8ers on the other hand have shown far greater interest in such ;) But that's just few taps away to start one, if there's someone to take lead.)

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but then again, theres a high nimber of players who would lightning your DE cus they know they could never get close, having a vault would allow the lightning to steal your gold/elix, unless of course that you designed it go that it wouldnt happen