[Discussion] Why are bases rated this way?

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Originally Posted by Anarchos

The OP originally sounded like he was looking for a new inventive way to design bases, but his intention of a vault vs segment debate is really what he was intending with this thread. Misleading imo

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Not really looking for a new way to design bases, I wanted to more see people's opinions on why people grade bases on the above mentioned criteria...

A decent to nooby attack gets 0 storages from me. A good attacker does not get all of them separated but does in a vault.

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Originally Posted by CashClash22

A decent to nooby attack gets 0 storages from me. A good attacker does not get all of them separated but does in a vault.

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Wow, really? You must have a killer base...

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Originally Posted by cakework

What level are your defenses? Also i realize that base isn't too good so we are in a new thread and already have a sweet base goin!

Edit: Whoops, I read that as you lost 430,000 gold, LOL. Glad it is working for ya!

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Ye 430 not 430,000 lol xD. I saw the new base and i like it, but i stick to this one for now. I want to see more defensive replays so i can learn from them. And i havent been attacked by balloons yet, or any air attack actually .. Only hogs, which is kinda suprising to me :/
aw ye and my defenses: halfway through th9 and doing lvl 8 wall..

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Originally Posted by MCBoes

Ye 430 not 430,000 lol xD. I saw the new base and i like it, but i stick to this one for now. I want to see more defensive replays so i can learn from them. And i havent been attacked by balloons yet, or any air attack actually .. Only hogs, which is kinda suprising to me :/
aw ye and my defenses: halfway through th9 and doing lvl 8 wall..

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Alright good luck with that killer base :D

It would be cool to see a working base with a different core rather than the traditional 6x6 or x-core. As of the OP's question is that if a vault fails at TH9 that a 350K loss which is ouch but I don't protest against them because well made one can keep more loot than a divided storages base

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Originally Posted by cakework

Now-a-days it seems that everyone follows the same guidelines for a base to be considered "good"

These guidelines include:
-Triangulated Mortars
-Squared Wiz Towers
-Squared Air Defense
-Proper T-Junctions
-Closed off except for funnels
-Funnels
-Spread Storages

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3 mortars would make a bad Square and 4 Wiz towers a funny Triangle :)

I like vaults. Currently using a th8 vault from ojm's th8 vault thread

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Originally Posted by maynards35

Thanks for posting this thread because I was really meaning to say something about the loot update and how it affects base designs.

Since we can now raid more from storages -around 350k - 400k from TH9 and TH10 - base design is more important than ever. I have found very often that vault bases are more susceptible to farming by decent players post update. I've seen many replays of very mature TH9s and 10s (max splash, lvl 8&9 walls) losing 350+k simply because they were using vault designs and it is so easy to pierce through to the core using a few giants and some rage spells. I have found it more difficult to raid all 3 storages from a TH8 with lvl 7 walls that has all properly separated storages than I have max TH9s and 10s which have put all their gold in one compartment.

This is why in my latest design I have all my gold storages reasonably exposed but as far apart as I dare. It also offers max protection for my DE which is even more at risk post update. I understand the need to look at bases beyond your mentioned criteria and we do need to get more creative, however, I personally will never really advise a vault base simply due to the fact that to me and my clan mates they are easier to raid. I do like what you and OJM are doing in the T,S&Q sub forum though, we need more group collaborations around these forums.

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i agree, i was using a semi vault base, but rage with a bunch of level 6 giants and wiz takes most of my gold

I've been following some of the newer base design threads, and the ideas being thrown around have renewed my interest in base designs. I agree that old paradigms are tough to kill, and some of the ones you listed are definitely outdated. I'm on a trophy push at the moment, so my interest is kinda patchy now, but I hope to be getting involved with them in the next couple weeks (then again, I have been hoping to go visit Azure for about 3-4 months now :p).

Especially since the update, I feel segmented designs are just a little too risky. 100k/storage when you have alot of loot on hand just isn't something I would be comfortable with, even in ranges filled mostly with noobs. Segmentation is really something I feel should be on its way out, with other types of designs taking over. I really like some of the more experimental designs with lots of gaps, weird wall patterns, and some heavy duty funneling.

I think even squared WTs/ADs aren't so much a hard rule as they used to be. For ADs, as long as you compensate for air coverage in other ways (traps, ATs, infernos, etc.), I don't really see unequal distribution as a problem. WTs may be a little trickier, but with some asymmetrical designs, I think it could work.

All in all, I'm just glad that base designs are really being thought about again. Ever since the wb AI change, people just settled into these patterns and base designs became incredibly boring and standardized. This used to be one of my favorite aspects of the game, and I hope all these discussions lead us to many more questions than answers.