[Discussion] Why are bases rated this way?

Now-a-days it seems that everyone follows the same guidelines for a base to be considered "good"

These guidelines include:
-Triangulated Mortars
-Squared Wiz Towers
-Squared Air Defense
-Proper T-Junctions
-Closed off except for funnels
-Funnels
-Spread Storages

Now granted, a lot of these guidelines are pretty solid, for instance the first 3 guidelines are pretty crucial (mortar being the least important of them). Funnels are cool to have and proper T - junctions are great if your base is closed off.

But besides those guidelines, the other ones limit the scope of base building to your black and white, same old same old 6 x 6 core or "X" transformer core (using TH9 as an example). Its like the majority of base designers are brainwashed into thinking this is the best way possible to make a base. It can produce effective bases, don't get me wrong, but with the frequency of stronger attacks due to the new update, isn't it time to open up our eyes?

Let's look at vaults for example, which clearly violate the storage separation rule. Vault bases are always trashed on, but if we do some simple math, it can be seen that they are quite viable.

Lets say that a decent to nooby attack can get 1 to 2 storages out of 4 from a separation base. A very strong attack which comes along around about twice out of every 10 real attacks (not TH snipes) can wipe all of the storages. So out of 10 real attacks (40 available storages, just looking at gold), a separation base gives away 19 of the 40 storages during that time period.

Regarding vaults, those decent to nooby attacks will not be able to get any storages possibly get lucky and snipe 1. And for arguments sake, lets say those strong attacks are able to wipe out the vaults completely. So in theory out of 10 real attacks on a vault (40 available storages) there will be about 11 of the 40 storages taken. Of course this is just theoretical, but from my experience this is how is usually plays out.

If the discussion gets to the point, I will go more in depth for some of the other misconceptions, for instance open or closed off bases.

Feel free to discuss and put you opinions on base designs and vault v. separation designs and the general rating of bases. I will update as I see fit.

Now if you'll excuse me, I will be heading over to Tactics Sub-Forum where we are working on some amazing bases as a small community :)

Have a good one.

Some people just don't like vaults

Cause if you follow these guide lines your base will be a lot better. And vaults are fine if you design it right. But if you just put everything in 1 compartment it wont be a vault

Thanks for posting this thread because I was really meaning to say something about the loot update and how it affects base designs.

Since we can now raid more from storages -around 350k - 400k from TH9 and TH10 - base design is more important than ever. I have found very often that vault bases are more susceptible to farming by decent players post update. I've seen many replays of very mature TH9s and 10s (max splash, lvl 8&9 walls) losing 350+k simply because they were using vault designs and it is so easy to pierce through to the core using a few giants and some rage spells. I have found it more difficult to raid all 3 storages from a TH8 with lvl 7 walls that has all properly separated storages than I have max TH9s and 10s which have put all their gold in one compartment.

This is why in my latest design I have all my gold storages reasonably exposed but as far apart as I dare. It also offers max protection for my DE which is even more at risk post update. I understand the need to look at bases beyond your mentioned criteria and we do need to get more creative, however, I personally will never really advise a vault base simply due to the fact that to me and my clan mates they are easier to raid. I do like what you and OJM are doing in the T,S&Q sub forum though, we need more group collaborations around these forums.

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Originally Posted by vinnyXo

Cause if you follow these guide lines your base will be a lot better. And vaults are fine if you design it right. But if you just put everything in 1 compartment it wont be a vault

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Well not neccesairly. Like I said above a lot of those guidelines are outdated and ineffective.

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Originally Posted by cakework

Well not neccesairly. Like I said above a lot of those guidelines are outdated and ineffective.

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like what?

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Originally Posted by maynards35

Thanks for posting this thread because I was really meaning to say something about the loot update and how it affects base designs.

Since we can now raid more from storages -around 350k - 400k from TH9 and TH10 - base design is more important than ever. I have found very often that vault bases are more susceptible to farming by decent players post update. I've seen many replays of very mature TH9s and 10s (max splash, lvl 8&9 walls) losing 350+k simply because they were using vault designs and it is so easy to pierce through to the core using a few giants and some rage spells. I have found it more difficult to raid all 3 storages from a TH8 with lvl 7 walls that has all properly separated storages than I have max TH9s and 10s which have put all their gold in one compartment.

This is why in my latest design I have all my gold storages reasonably exposed but as far apart as I dare. It also offers max protection for my DE which is even more at risk post update. I understand the need to look at bases beyond your mentioned criteria and we do need to get more creative, however, I personally will never really advise a vault base simply due to the fact that to me and my clan mates they are easier to raid. I do like what you and OJM are doing in the T,S&Q sub forum though, we need more group collaborations around these forums.

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First off thank you for the kind works. With vaults it really depends on how they are set up. If it is just all storages thrown together with segmentation outside, they won't really be effective, but a strong vault is just as, if not more viable than separation at this point.

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Originally Posted by vinnyXo

like what?

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Like the closed off idea and that storages must be separated. Like I said, separation bases can be done well, but our horizons as base designers must be expanded.

Cakework I'm trying out your latest work from the lets build a super vault thread, well the core from that design. I agree that attacks got stronger and we need to adapt. Im using your base to learn about fending of giants and hogs and luring them arround the center, ive moved some deffenses and bombs arround and find it very interesting. Last attack none off hogs went center and after 4 spells he ended up with 430 gold lol, though i had to spend almost 70k to rearm traps xD

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Originally Posted by maynards35

Thanks for posting this thread because I was really meaning to say something about the loot update and how it affects base designs.

Since we can now raid more from storages -around 350k - 400k from TH9 and TH10 - base design is more important than ever. I have found very often that vault bases are more susceptible to farming by decent players post update. I've seen many replays of very mature TH9s and 10s (max splash, lvl 8&9 walls) losing 350+k simply because they were using vault designs and it is so easy to pierce through to the core using a few giants and some rage spells. I have found it more difficult to raid all 3 storages from a TH8 with lvl 7 walls that has all properly separated storages than I have max TH9s and 10s which have put all their gold in one compartment.

This is why in my latest design I have all my gold storages reasonably exposed but as far apart as I dare. It also offers max protection for my DE which is even more at risk post update. I understand the need to look at bases beyond your mentioned criteria and we do need to get more creative, however, I personally will never really advise a vault base simply due to the fact that to me and my clan mates they are easier to raid. I do like what you and OJM are doing in the T,S&Q sub forum though, we need more group collaborations around these forums.

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Nonono you're thinking about it wrong. Now a loss of one storage is almost 100k.

Lets use an example of per 10 real attacks. Im taking this data from personal expirence.

Lets assume you get 5 nooby attacks but fairly heavy army comp, 3 good farming attacks, perhaps raging giant based, and two balloonion/hogs.

On segemntation- two noobs get nothing one gets two storages and two get one storage for a total loss of 320k.

On a well done vault two noobs get one storage for a total loss of 160k.

On a segmented with the well done raging giant ect- two get one two gold+ de one gets just two gold for a total loss of 510k gold and 5.5k de

On a vault- again from personal expirence- two get nothing one gets two gold+de for a total loss of 160k gold and 2.5k de.

For the final type, eg power army heavy loonion/hog assuming not a hogvault-

Vault loses 3 gold+de

Segmented loses 2-3 gold+de


This is judging from my personal expirence and logs. In my opinion a well done vault/labyrinth beats out a segmented base purely based on the fact that most people are noobs, and noobs can get storages on segemnted bases and not vaults.