[Project] Let's build a TH8 base for the new loot system

I haven't been TH8 in ages and damn glad I ain't one now :rolleyes:

But maybe we all can pitch in and work out a base that keeps those pesky 9ers at bay and fail miserably when attempting, eh?

First, we gotta start with a plan what are we gonna even try? I got no idea what the 9ers use these days, so let's start by figuring what the base has to survive from.

Update: LachlanS has taken a step away from the project for personal reasons. We need a new shotcaller. If you are interested, toss me a PM.

LachlanS goal, up to page 10 was: small core Vault (no defences inside the core) to fend off giant/healer army.

I think the following hit the nails so well, that everyone joining in ought to read this post. Twice.

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Originally Posted by rhymquimghyf

I've collected a ton of experience building successful TH8 trophy base off the trap base principles.
When I thought about making the farming variation from it, I realized how different farming base is!

Below my thoughts on the key differences (it also shows why all the transformer/hybrid bases are ♥♥♥♥)

Trophy base wants to look weak to attract weaker opponents, farming base must look tough. No sloppy design here.
Appearance is our main weapon. If someone thinks he can't take this on, he'll just snipe the TH and give us a shield.

TH must be in the corner, completely unprotected and surrounded by decorations to outline the absence of teslas and traps, to maximize our chances of getting cheap shield.

Trophy base wants to win, hence it needs to protect all those squishy little buildings to prevent 50% loss.
Farming base wants the opposite. It wants to lose the fight every time, no exceptions.
The classic design is to surround the farming base with "dummy" buildings to "protect" them.
Why someone would want to protect them in the first place? Moreover, protecting them with single shot defenses is utterly ineffective.

These buildings can be used to actually help and make difference:

-distracting goblins inside the base near the storages
-slowing down and funneling BARCH in range of splash defenses
-luring goblins/barbarians into traps
-separating giants from the support troops to prevent distraction of splash defenses
-pushing spawn further away
-bloat the base to make truly unlurable cc

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DSCAllDay's take on the project:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...-Farming-Vault

The TH9 project can be found here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ew-loot-system

YES, YES, YES!! Very needed

This post regularly updated, and contains all progress on my test base #3.

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My goal is to make a base that has best of both worlds: as many of wall bashing fun as any conventional segmented base provides, with funneling and traps of a labyrinth base.

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v1
http://i.imgur.com/oa99b76.jpg

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The Good:
-Giants need to break 6 walls in order to walk the path as displayed, wall breakers can help with only 2 of them
-Core is intact at all times
-Wiz Towers stay unscathed and fry Giants bashing those walls
-BARCH is redirected into pockets and killed by Wiz+mortar
-Wallbreakers were unable to penetrate the core so far. They prefer detonating on decoy walls
-no one lured cc so far

The Bad:
-AQ has no problem killing 2 Wiz towers and sniping two storages afterwards. Two mortars lack the dps to kill it in time
-I lose a little too much defensive buildings just to route giants around

The Ugly:
-just like any labyrinth base, this design is very vulnerable to attackers who know how to attack labyrinths (multi-stage attacks, no mass deploy)
-probably will get 3-starred by Balloonians and Hogs

Still, it's fun to watch giants bashing walls from inside to get out of the base.

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Video #1

Video #2

Video #3

v1.2
http://i.imgur.com/s0Hq3s6.jpg

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Originally Posted by Wh33ls

How is the base that you were testing going currently?

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Not so bad.
I'm running on zero/one wiz tower all the time, and only had one big breach with most of my loot taken (3+1/2).

This base is heavily relying on Wiz towers, it's designed to sacrifice everything but the Wizards.
I often see archers shooting a storage while standing between two non-operational wiz towers, but I drop the shield anyway because I need to test AI routing.

My full battle logs so far: (use left/right keys)
http://imgur.com/nxZUCpa,tVxm6bb,Qj8...uBa7,410YKIa#0

Here is how it looks now (untested, waiting to be attacked all day)

v1.3
http://i.imgur.com/uFybFz7.jpg

Video #4

v1.5 Still has problems with the mortar wall, but much less that the previous one.
http://i.imgur.com/4PTYrnE.jpg


Battle log
Video #5

v 1.6

http://i.imgur.com/IWp6gh2.jpg

Video #6

I'd like to contribute (but not be the main driver) to this. I have been using a manipulated version of the TTP which allowed for Teslas to be more protected and the giant bombs also inside the 2nd layer and it worked great until this update. The main army I get attacked with is almost always Giant/healer/gob. The one thing I would add is that elixer at TH8 is a total joke (I'm always full) so I think we need a base that uses elixer as bait and pray it helps keep ppl away from the gold and DE.

I think rhy should be main driver lol!

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Originally Posted by Smalls

I'd like to contribute (but not be the main driver) to this. I have been using a manipulated version of the TTP for ages and it worked great until this update. The main army I get attacked with is almost always Giant/healer/gob. The one thing I would add is that elixer at TH8 is a total joke (I'm always full) so I think we need a base that uses elixer as bait and pray it helps keep ppl away from the gold and DE.

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Added the data to first post and everyone are welcome to join in to these :)

http://i.imgur.com/oRxXX1O.png
http://i.imgur.com/KJsgMjX.png

Guys, the thing is, with them adding More health to the L6 Giants for the 2nd Time it's like they are now Gods amoung men. Plus they have access to higher level dark troops. I feel like the Gap between townhall 8 and 9 is so big that its just.....*sigh* Anyway, I will be positive and look forward to bases I can try out myself guys. I'll be your guiney pig👍

these are some of the better recent attacks on my TH8 base offering full loot + 2000 de:

10 giants and 14 hogs: they used the giants to distract defenses, then send in hogs from the rear
took out half my defenses including 2 mortars, followed by 88 archers+AQ to clean up unprotected storages except DE

177 archers + 12 wb: use archers to kill off all single pt defense on the perimeter, wb attack in 6 pairs which took out 6 compartments to finally get to core, archers in cc too so it was non-stop archers even when my splash was killing them off

9 giants + 3 healers: giants + 2 healers, 39 archers + 15 wizs + dragon for the dps
3rd healer came in after giants got halfway across base and both AD down

mass dragons: revenge attacks, TH8 can't defend this especially if a single AD is upgrading

I have to agree and quite honestly, there is literally no way, for a TH8, to CONSISTANTLY defend against an Archer Queen if the attacker has Half a Brain. I mean the range alone is nuts. If she has a HEALER on her??? forget about it. L6 Giants, 4 Spells available, Higher level hogs/Mins, bigger army camp, I mean c'mon. I just smile when I get lucky and beat them. It's just fun to play and you do the best you can. I feel like any townhall 8 that can Consistantly defend against Most-All TH8 should be happy. No base is perfect lol but im not really worried about th8. I mean everyone takes a loss here and there but you know what i mean. But shoot those bases guys like I said I will test them out. Just remade my base again today, hope it works.

-NeggyBundy
c/o Pekkas of Glory