The Problem is not the Loot System, it's the Match System.

Most people's solution is simply to bring more loot into the CoC economy with more collectors or higher collector levels at TH10. Since these would be at TH10 I don't see how viable this option is in bringing more loot to LOWER TH's since it's pretty hard to steal loot from TH10 with their defences and with the new inferno towers.

The new loot system is better than the old because it allows more loot to circulate from player-to-player due to the higher caps. True, it sucks getting raided for more gold than we have been used to but you can raid more yourself. Everyone has been complaining that they are getting destroyed and losing 300k gold a raid etc etc as if they're the only ones it happens to. As someone currently upgrading to TH9 with full storages of gold and elixir and DE for the TH9 upgrades, I can relate. However, they can have the same 300k raids as well. I do like the concept of increasing league bonuses because, like the collector option, it brings more loot into the game but instead to every player.

I feel that it is the matchmaking system not the loot system that is the main problem. I feel that it should be both trophy level and another factor that determines a matchup.
Options for this other factor could be:

Level----Finally brings a purpose to it other than the lv 50 and 75 decorations.
Base net worth----The accumulative amount of gold and/or elixir and/or DE that has been spent on your base (excludes walls)
Attacks/defenses won----If someone has a high win/def count they will be paired with someone similar (can only be one of the two because farmers have low defense counts and trophy pushers high attk counts)
Current amount of Loot----You should be allowed to steal an equal amount of loot from an opponent that they can from you. Obviously you can dump it on an upgrade before a veng but that's the whole reason for a revenge-gotta be quick to retaliate.

I only want to offer ideas that can help improve this wonderful game and also please every player. Please give constructive and mature feedback as well as your own ideas about the MATCHMAKING system not the loot system. Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

Most people's solution is simply to bring more loot into the CoC economy with more collectors or higher collector levels at TH10. Since these would be at TH10 I don't see how viable this option is in bringing more loot to LOWER TH's since it's pretty hard to steal loot from TH10 with their defences and with the new inferno towers.

The new loot system is better than the old because it allows more loot to circulate from player-to-player due to the higher caps. True, it sucks getting raided for more gold than we have been used to but you can raid more yourself. Everyone has been complaining that they are getting destroyed and losing 300k gold a raid etc etc as if they're the only ones it happens to. As someone currently upgrading to TH9 with full storages of gold and elixir and DE for the TH9 upgrades, I can relate. However, they can have the same 300k raids as well. I do like the concept of increasing league bonuses because, like the collector option, it brings more loot into the game but instead to every player.

I feel that it is the matchmaking system not the loot system that is the main problem. I feel that it should be both trophy level and another factor that determines a matchup.
Options for this other factor could be:

Level----Finally brings a purpose to it other than the lv 50 and 75 decorations.
Base net worth----The accumulative amount of gold and/or elixir and/or DE that has been spent on your base (excludes walls)
Attacks/defenses won----If someone has a high win/def count they will be paired with someone similar (can only be one of the two because farmers have low defense counts and trophy pushers high attk counts)
Current amount of Loot----You should be allowed to steal an equal amount of loot from an opponent that they can from you. Obviously you can dump it on an upgrade before a veng but that's the whole reason for a revenge-gotta be quick to retaliate.

I only want to offer ideas that can help improve this wonderful game and also please every player. Please give constructive and mature feedback as well as your own ideas about the MATCHMAKING system not the loot system. Thank you.

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The match making system is fine. SC wants the game to be about trophies first and foremost, and the match making system reflects that. It's not the job of the match making system to ensure you get a steady supply of loot. Instead, SC should modify the game such that more attacks are profitable.

Any of the factors you suggest would upset the system, because players would be able to manipulate any of those factors to gain unfair advantages.

I did not say the matchmaking system would provide a steady suppy of loot, I suggested that it would allow for equal matchups between players. I actually appreciate the new loot system unlike most.

I mostly agree with your manipulation concept. Level because of troops donated. Putting TH outside to get defense count higher.

Base net worth I don't see being manipulated because everyone wants higher lv defenses so what's a problem with this being the other factor in the matchup system? You will fight and defend people that have a base of similar defenses/worth as yours.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

I did not say the matchmaking system would provide a steady suppy of loot, I suggested that it would allow for equal matchups between players. I actually appreciate the new loot system unlike most.

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You didn't say that directly, but you're suggesting that fixing the match making system is what is needed to make loot fair. Match making has nothing to do with loot, nor should it.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

I mostly agree with your manipulation concept. Level because of troops donated. Putting TH outside to get defense count higher.

Base net worth I don't see being manipulated because everyone wants higher lv defenses so what's a problem with this being the other factor in the matchup system? You will fight and defend people that have a base of similar defenses/worth as yours.

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Simple. People could start new accounts, level them minimally, and then climb all the way up and be immune to attack.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Simple. People could start new accounts, level them minimally, and then climb all the way up and be immune to attack.

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I don't see the point in making an account if you aren't going to level it up... Also, how do you expect them to climb to the top with low level defenses? Remember it's still based on trophy count but includes the next base with the closest of a net worth to yours. It doesn't imply that you can't be attacked just because the disparity in base net worth is great. What I'm trying to promote is match up equality.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

I don't see the point in making an account if you aren't going to level it up...

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The point is to climb up to the top of the trophy ranking because they can. When a loophole is pointed out in an idea, it's not a defensible position to say, "I don't know why people would do that."

The fact that they can means they will, end of story.

Edit: How on earth on you going to show up on match making if your bases' net worth is 1m gold and most others are hundreds of millions of gold?

Also this would be very unfair to people who level their walls, which increase the net worth of their bases dramatically without any increase whatsoever to offensive strength and very little defensive strength increase.

Furthermore these objective measurements of base equality don't factor in player skill at all.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

Remember it's still based on trophy count but includes the next base with the closest of a net worth to yours. It doesn't imply that you can't be attacked just because the disparity in base net worth is great. What I'm trying to promote is match up equality.

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I don't think you understood this^

Just because a person's base worth is, say 1million, doesn't mean that they can only be attacked by people with 9mil to 11mil base worth. It will take into account trophy count first then would match up with a base with the closest base worth even if the closest is a 500+ million difference. As the current system is now, you wouldn't see low levelled bases in champions and masters.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

I don't think you understood this^

Just because a person's base worth is, say 1million, doesn't mean that they can only be attacked by people with 9mil to 11mil base worth. It will take into account trophy count first then would match up with a base with the closest base worth even if the closest is a 500+ million difference. As the current system is now, you wouldn't see low levelled bases in champions and masters.

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The heck you wouldn't...until the highest levels of play there is always many targets out there with the same number of trophies as you.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

The heck you wouldn't...until the highest levels of play there is always many targets out there with the same number of trophies as you.

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Ok? So how is it any threat of these low-levelled bases climbing to the top? And yes, I know there's many people with the same number of trophies in lower levels. What I'm saying is the match ups are based not just on trophies but base value as well.

People are always upset when they are picked on by higher THs especially with hogs by high levelled TH10s who are already benefitting from the new loot system and whose bases are much more upgraded. It would reduce 'bullying' loot wise and would allow for fair match ups trophy wise. Just look at sub 200 farming for example.

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Originally Posted by dahimi

Edit: How on earth on you going to show up on match making if your bases' net worth is 1m gold and most others are hundreds of millions of gold?
Also this would be very unfair to people who level their walls, which increase the net worth of their bases dramatically without any increase whatsoever to offensive strength and very little defensive strength increase.

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I was providing an example to your "new account concept" to climbing to the top. Also, I said it would exclude walls. I feel like my posts aren't being read...

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

Ok? So how is it any threat of these low-levelled bases climbing to the top? And yes, I know there's many people with the same number of trophies in lower levels. What I'm saying is the match ups are based not just on trophies but base value as well.

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You are not explaining this adequately. You said that it would match based on trophies and then net worth...well if there are many targets with the same number of trophies as you, how are these low net worth targets going to pop up? Also it's not that the targets are a threat, it's that the fact they would be there and all but invisible, would be very frustrating to the people who leveled their bases properly.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

People are always upset when they are picked on by higher THs especially with hogs by high levelled TH10s who are already benefitting from the new loot system and whose bases are much more upgraded. It would reduce 'bullying' loot wise and would allow for fair match ups trophy wise. Just look at sub 200 farming for example.

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The loot penalty keeps TH10s fairly in check. TH8s can only lose 50k more now than before to a TH10. TH9s are at a larger disadvantage, sure, but they can also hit TH8s for more. The system was so completely unfair for TH10s for the longest time, now it isn't. It's not really unreasonable that TH10s can pound on TH9s. Also TH9s always have the option to level up their TH if they feel it is unfair. The fact that they'd rather whine as opposed to doing that and getting this supposed enormous advantage, kind of indicates that advantage isn't so great.

I don't really see how sub 200 farming applies here.

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Originally Posted by Lycanthrope

EDIT: I was providing an example to your "new account concept" to climbing to the top. Also, I said it would exclude walls. I feel like my posts aren't being read...

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Yeah I missed the walls thing. Forgive me.