[Project] Let's build a TH9 base for the new loot system

As a rich TH9, you are the prime target for TH10 steamrolling.

How to stop it, you might wonder. Well, praying is a valid option, but a strong base can help even more.

Odds are, the TH10s and 9ers will throw their big guns at you when you get your own containers full. So that's either:
A) Hogs
B) Bloons

My guess for the "best bet", a hogvault.
http://i.imgur.com/NXwf0mk.jpg?1
That's a trophy version, but you get the idea ;)

Let the brainstorming begin, chaps.

(I'm just here to learn the bases and exploit their weaknesses as a strong Th10, muahahahahah :rolleyes:)

The TH8 project can be found here:
http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...ew-loot-system

Some variants made so far: (random pickings)
http://i.imgur.com/lWX5jsN.png

http://i.imgur.com/U7lRWAz.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/b0iIQpU.jpg?2

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Originally Posted by OJM

As a rich TH9, you are the prime target for TH10 steamrolling.

How to stop it, you might wonder. Well, praying is a valid option, but a strong base can help even more.

Odds are, the TH10s and 9ers will throw their big guns at you when you get your own containers full. So that's either:
A) Hogs
B) Bloons

My guess for the "best bet", a hogvault.
http://i.imgur.com/NXwf0mk.jpg?1
That's a trophy version, but you get the idea ;)

Let the brainstorming begin, chaps.

(I'm just here to learn the bases and exploit their weaknesses as a strong Th10, muahahahahah :rolleyes:)

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Hogs and bloons would do great against that base.
As a bloonioner I would love to come across that base.
However, I think a farming vault is a great idea.
I will test a few out! :)
CashClash22

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Originally Posted by CashClash22

Hogs and bloons would do great against that base.
As a bloonioner I would love to come across that base.
However, I think a farming vault is a great idea.
I will test a few out! :)
CashClash22

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Actually, that base got me to 2844, fending off both hogs and bloons. As back then, hogs were much stronger, I still won more defences than I lost ;) Looks can be very deceiving, and your comment did prove that right away :rolleyes:

Was looking at some bases and came across cosmii in crucible wrath. That open concept could be used to turn a base into a very tricky and trap filled hell for troops. Could be made into a strong hog vault.

TH outside, anywhere over 2200 cups... your loot will be ignored, or missed, over 50% of the time. Be sure you don't hide it away where it won't get seen, and don't defend it too much as low-level snipers might skip it fearing a loss. On top of that, the usual anti-hog design is still pretty good, just defend your prime loot more now that your TH isn't central (e.g. I have 2 gold, and DE store, in my core).

My TH9 is sitting around 2350 now, and found loads of TH snipers even though it was offering 350k+ of each and over 2k DE. One was even a TH6, sniping their way to Masters, others have been up to TH9 (some prem, one really well upgraded and also loaded).

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(I'm just here to learn the bases and exploit their weaknesses as a strong Th10, muahahahahah :rolleyes:)

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I'll cut you :rolleyes:.

The base a I posted toward the end of the old one held steady for 2months from 1600-2600, I'm just laying off it for now because with this new system it bleeds elixir and I kinda need that right now.

BTW I'm 70 trophies away from you, bring it.

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Originally Posted by Forte

I'll cut you :rolleyes:.

The base a I posted toward the end of the old one held steady for 2months from 1600-2600, I'm just laying off it for now because with this new system it bleeds elixir and I kinda need that right now.

BTW I'm 70 trophies away from you, bring it.

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Has it gone up against hogs / ballon minions / giant healer. How did it do?

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Originally Posted by OJM

Actually, that base got me to 2844, fending off both hogs and bloons. As back then, hogs were much stronger, I still won more defences than I lost ;) Looks can be very deceiving, and your comment did prove that right away :rolleyes:

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I am amazed. Looks can be deceiving! :rolleyes::o
CashClash22

Can you show your defense log?

So, uh, where do you guys want to start lol.

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Originally Posted by cakework

So, uh, where do you guys want to start lol.

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Hold on a second! Designing here! :)
CashClash22

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Can you show your defense log?

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Long gone. I've been TH10 for well over a month but that's the base that won against the once-nerfed hogs.

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Long gone. I've been TH10 for well over a month but that's the base that won against the once-nerfed hogs.

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So do you all think hog vault type feel is the way to go?

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Originally Posted by cakework

Has it gone up against hogs / ballon minions / giant healer. How did it do?

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Hogs were often brutally misused as it was a farming base, but even then they failed to be fully effective. Giant healers are rare but still ineffective because of idealized trap placement, miniball is also ineffective. I don't do logs because only 1 real attack comes a week.

I feel that now in farming ranges we have to take hogs into consideration...

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I feel that now in farming ranges we have to take hogs into consideration...

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Viable farming troop for those who don't value heroes, but due to time, spells and mass(>30) will be fairly uncommon. Some consideration should be given, but the base doesn't need to revolve about it.

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Originally Posted by CashClash22

Hogs and bloons would do great against that base.
As a bloonioner I would love to come across that base.
However, I think a farming vault is a great idea.
I will test a few out! :)
CashClash22

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Hogs die,
Baloons thrive against that base.

I just thought of a sweet core! Gonna post it soon :D

So I came up with 1 main core, yet 2 variations. There are pros and cons for each...

Also, it has a vault feel but the storages are separated slightly.

1st one
http://i.imgur.com/ts5cmIT.jpg

Pros: More walls to use on outside, not too twisty / turny (easier to build on outside)
Cons: T-Junctions in core are improper meaning wall breakers could blow open 2 compartments potentially.

2nd one
http://i.imgur.com/WA2jrND.jpg

Pros: Proper T-Junctions, Special compartment in middle for santa strike / pumpkin bomb
Cons: Less walls, probably can't cover outside completely meaning we would have to get creative for outer wall placement. Also less central CC.

SO first off, what do you thinks of these cores and which one do you prefer?

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Originally Posted by cakework

So I came up with 1 main core, yet 2 variations. There are pros and cons for each...

Also, it has a vault feel but the storages are separated slightly.

1st one
http://i.imgur.com/ts5cmIT.jpg

Pros: More walls to use on outside, not too twisty / turny (easier to build on outside)
Cons: T-Junctions in core are improper meaning wall breakers could blow open 2 compartments potentially.

2nd one
http://i.imgur.com/WA2jrND.jpg

Pros: Proper T-Junctions, Special compartment in middle for santa strike / pumpkin bomb
Cons: Less walls, probably can't cover outside completely meaning we would have to get creative for outer wall placement. Also less central CC.

SO first off, what do you thinks of these cores and which one do you prefer?

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Personally I like the second one more, its more intimidating and even if it uses more walls the first type of vault never worked for me.

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Personally I like the second one more, its more intimidating and even if it uses more walls the first type of vault never worked for me.

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How is it more intimidating lol?

I don't know lol. It's not symmetrical so it will throw off attackers when looking at the base. I personally wouldnt attack a base looking like that :p. also how do i make a signature? Sound a bit noobish but whatever.

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Originally Posted by cakework

So I came up with 1 main core, yet 2 variations. There are pros and cons for each...

Also, it has a vault feel but the storages are separated slightly.

1st one
http://i.imgur.com/ts5cmIT.jpg

Pros: More walls to use on outside, not too twisty / turny (easier to build on outside)
Cons: T-Junctions in core are improper meaning wall breakers could blow open 2 compartments potentially.

2nd one
http://i.imgur.com/WA2jrND.jpg

Pros: Proper T-Junctions, Special compartment in middle for santa strike / pumpkin bomb
Cons: Less walls, probably can't cover outside completely meaning we would have to get creative for outer wall placement. Also less central CC.

SO first off, what do you thinks of these cores and which one do you prefer?

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So does anyone want to try to design some ideas for outlayers? Maybe a moat type thing or just walls for random buffers....what you y'all think?

@cakework I like the 2nd core better because of that T-junction in the center on the first. On the second one u also have great santa strike protection :rolleyes:

A quick mock up of your second idea cake. Obviously needs some work but you get the idea, I like having the teslas as added gold protection, plus the way the springs traps protect mortars. http://imgur.com/N7X2Ka5

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A quick mock up of your second idea cake. Obviously needs some work but you get the idea, I like having the teslas as added gold protection, plus the way the springs traps protect mortars. http://imgur.com/N7X2Ka5

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I REALLY like it besides the teslas in the ring because they will attract giants, hogs and loons to core..but amazing job!

If anyone else has ANY ideas for these cores or for anything really. We are trying to make a solid base, doesn't have to be any particular type. So post anything at all to give us inspiration!

Lets keep it up :D

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Originally Posted by NJM8

A quick mock up of your second idea cake. Obviously needs some work but you get the idea, I like having the teslas as added gold protection, plus the way the springs traps protect mortars. http://imgur.com/N7X2Ka5

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Originally Posted by cakework

I REALLY like it besides the teslas in the ring because they will attract giants, hogs and loons to core..but amazing job!

If anyone else has ANY ideas for these cores or for anything really. We are trying to make a solid base, doesn't have to be any particular type. So post anything at all to give us inspiration!

Lets keep it up :D

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Yep, like cake said, the teslas in the moat attract all kinds of bad things to the core.

I would put them as a surprise on the way to ADs to stack up bloons and then those red air bombs in detonating reach.

A balloon trap: (attack assumed from the arrow)

http://i.imgur.com/F4bkmhE.jpg?1
The tesla will pop up and bunch the bloons.
The red air bomb and wizard will weaken the bloons.
The AD will drop all bloons on one shot.

So in order for the attacker to survive, you need to use one heal on each trap. Expensive.

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Originally Posted by OJM

Yep, like cake said, the teslas in the moat attract all kinds of bad things to the core.

I would put them as a surprise on the way to ADs to stack up bloons and then those red air bombs in detonating reach.

A balloon trap: (attack assumed from the arrow)

http://i.imgur.com/F4bkmhE.jpg?1
The tesla will pop up and bunch the bloons.
The red air bomb and wizard will weaken the bloons.
The AD will drop all bloons on one shot.

So in order for the attacker to survive, you need to use one heal on each trap. Expensive.

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do you like either of those cores and how would you go about implementing that idea into the current core?

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do you like either of those cores and how would you go about implementing that idea into the current core?

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Both work, but eat a lot of walls. Will have to think bit more bout this :)

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I REALLY like it besides the teslas in the ring because they will attract giants, hogs and loons to core..

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Attracting those things in the core isn't always a bad thing. They do not attack storages.
If the design is right, they will found themselves in the center of a "U" with all the unscathed defenses firing at them all at once. Its a hot place.
The key to success is to do it quickly, so the support troops will be left behind

Version two, I tried to include the balloon trap design as best I could, maybe it could be better somehow? Hopefully wb will get fried by teslas or big bombs, and hogs will roll around the outside and get hit by traps and splash. I believe giant/ healer would merry go round as well. What do you think? It would be fun to use the second layer of walls to create a more elaborate maze. Or even to box off individual defenses on out the outside. Sry I'm new here and haven't figured out how to have a picture just show up. 😁. http://imgur.com/hBw1IDl

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Originally Posted by OJM

Both work, but eat a lot of walls. Will have to think bit more bout this :)

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Alright, let us know if you think of something :)

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Originally Posted by NJM8

Version two, I tried to include the balloon trap design as best I could, maybe it could be better somehow? Hopefully wb will get fried by teslas or big bombs, and hogs will roll around the outside and get hit by traps and splash. I believe giant/ healer would merry go round as well. What do you think? It would be fun to use the second layer of walls to create a more elaborate maze. Or even to box off individual defenses on out the outside. Sry I'm new here and haven't figured out how to have a picture just show up. . http://imgur.com/hBw1IDl

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I really like where you are going with it, but i do agree with OJM that it is kind of a wall eater lol.

Sorry for triple post lol, but anyone else been thinking up or testing strong base ideas?

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Version two, I tried to include the balloon trap design as best I could, maybe it could be better somehow? Hopefully wb will get fried by teslas or big bombs, and hogs will roll around the outside and get hit by traps and splash. I believe giant/ healer would merry go round as well. What do you think? It would be fun to use the second layer of walls to create a more elaborate maze. Or even to box off individual defenses on out the outside. Sry I'm new here and haven't figured out how to have a picture just show up. . http://imgur.com/hBw1IDl

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http://i.imgur.com/hBw1IDl.jpg
This could work. The mortars are very exposed, but that can work for your favor, too.


A quick whip-up...
http://i.imgur.com/ZxbeCmX.jpg?1

I would put giant bombs in groups of 2.

A quick whip-up...
http://i.imgur.com/ZxbeCmX.jpg?1

I would attack this to the left of the de drill at the bottom. if you cleared out those buildings, wbs would bust through the moat and to the AD. 1 more set of wbs gets you to 2 gold storages and your de.

Thats the only weak spot I see and might be remedied by adding large buildings like the army camp there to push back spawns, but the underlying issue is that a lot of walls were burned on the core.(which isn't very anti-hog)

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A quick whip-up...
http://i.imgur.com/ZxbeCmX.jpg?1

I would attack this to the left of the de drill at the bottom. if you cleared out those buildings, wbs would bust through the moat and to the AD. 1 more set of wbs gets you to 2 gold storages and your de.

Thats the only weak spot I see and might be remedied by adding large buildings like the army camp there to push back spawns, but the underlying issue is that a lot of walls were burned on the core.(which isn't very anti-hog)

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Agreed. But for bloons, that's one tricky place :)

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A quick whip-up...
http://i.imgur.com/ZxbeCmX.jpg?1

I would attack this to the left of the de drill at the bottom. if you cleared out those buildings, wbs would bust through the moat and to the AD. 1 more set of wbs gets you to 2 gold storages and your de.

Thats the only weak spot I see and might be remedied by adding large buildings like the army camp there to push back spawns, but the underlying issue is that a lot of walls were burned on the core.(which isn't very anti-hog)

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Well do you suggest any changes or an overall better design? For that matter does anyone?

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Originally Posted by OJM

Agreed. But for bloons, that's one tricky place :)

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I wouldn't really go for this base with the maxed WT, AD, AT, and assumed Teslas while using miniballs.

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Originally Posted by cakework

Well do you suggest any changes or an overall better design? For that matter does anyone?

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I would ditch the moat is search for something a little trickier. I know you guys know how to do that from the labyrinth thread. I like to put the elixir outside the walls within range of a WT.

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I wouldn't really go for this base with the maxed WT, AD, AT, and assumed Teslas while using miniballs.



I would ditch the moat is search for something a little trickier. I know you guys know how to do that from the labyrinth thread. I like to put the elixir outside the walls within range of a WT.

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So something a little more deceitful eh? What do you or anyone else recommend?

So after so messing around I came up with a vault style labyrinth which I think is really cool (shout outs to ttsparkyboo and toby for helping me out!)

Also please note some building are shifted due to upgrade, but I am sure you can figure out where they should all be.

It comes in 2 mode (cant decide which one is better or works best)

Mode 1: Anti Bloon (With OJM's bloon traps!)

http://i.imgur.com/UhJGMxE.jpg

Mode 2: Anti Giant (more centralized teslas and air bombs)

http://i.imgur.com/OilwkSs.jpg

So first off, what do you guys think of these babys? Also which one do you prefer??? Let me know :)

Making an anti hog anti balloon base opens the base upto a lot of other standard armies

Would recommend using 2x giant bombs to kill hogs and enticing the attacker to enter from that direction

Balloons.. The previous suggestion of a dummy defense plus air bomb plus wizard to soften then ad to take out seems to be ideal

Every attack isn't just hogs 3 starring your base. You get heaps of snipers as well. So in theory you should he able to live with your losses and out trophy hunt / out farm what you lose.

But the thread is really interesting

loving this new thread! I was wondering if we could work on a th8 vault base for the new loot system because im getting absolutely battered. If their is already one for the new loot system could you please give me the link thanks. ;)

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So after so messing around I came up with a vault style labyrinth which I think is really cool (shout outs to ttsparkyboo and toby for helping me out!)

Also please note some building are shifted due to upgrade, but I am sure you can figure out where they should all be.

It comes in 2 mode (cant decide which one is better or works best)

Mode 1: Anti Bloon (With OJM's bloon traps!)

http://i.imgur.com/UhJGMxE.jpg

So first off, what do you guys think of these babys? Also which one do you prefer??? Let me know :)

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I'd go with the anti-bloon version. Maybe move the black air bombs to the outer rim to thin out the initial impact? I think your trophy range should determine, which type you protect yourself from. My guess: crystal=bloons, giants=gold.

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loving this new thread! I was wondering if we could work on a th8 vault base for the new loot system because im getting absolutely battered. If their is already one for the new loot system could you please give me the link thanks. ;)

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I don't know how much you can do with a TH8 against a strong TH9 attack. We can, of course, start a new thread for Th8's, if the old Th8 vault is already outdated. Or make a new custom base just for you ;)

Like a labyrinth/vault base?

New thing is that if you leave enough openings in your compartments the WB gets lured to the nearest wall,but obviously this is not gonna stand to bloon or hog but will win against most giant included armies.

I like this thread.. fyi i'm getting 3 starred in gold league by legions of hogs :(

Trying to save 21m gold for 2 x-bows level 3 and clan castle level max (7m each)... I wanted to max everything before TH10 but if I can design or find a good anti hog base I'm going to go premature just for the inferno towers :/

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Originally Posted by cakework

So after so messing around I came up with a vault style labyrinth which I think is really cool (shout outs to ttsparkyboo and toby for helping me out!)

Also please note some building are shifted due to upgrade, but I am sure you can figure out where they should all be.

It comes in 2 mode (cant decide which one is better or works best)

Mode 1: Anti Bloon (With OJM's bloon traps!)

http://i.imgur.com/UhJGMxE.jpg

Mode 2: Anti Giant (more centralized teslas and air bombs)

http://i.imgur.com/OilwkSs.jpg

So first off, what do you guys think of these babys? Also which one do you prefer??? Let me know :)

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I like it!! I'll set this up later to test for a few days. I lost 3 storages again today to 18 giants barbs and archers. I'm thinking I'll keep the teslas inside, but the air bombs in front if AD to help with balloons. Haven't seen many balloon attacks down around 1550, but lots of giants and hogs are showing up.

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New thing is that if you leave enough openings in your compartments the WB gets lured to the nearest wall,but obviously this is not gonna stand to bloon or hog but will win against most giant included armies.

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If all goes well with this base those troops will just merry go round

So I am trying to put wiz towers in center, I think this will turn out to be much more effective.

I also made it a hybrid of the anti bloon / giant mode.

http://i.imgur.com/U7lRWAz.jpg

Thoughts / Comments?

One thought I had was that these type of lab bases could do well separated, but just a thought :P

Much defence. So walls. Tough. No breaking. Very vault. Wow. Such powerful.

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Much defence. So walls. Tough. No breaking. Very vault. Wow. Such powerful.

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Much Doge!

So I take it that you like the base :)

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Much Doge!So I take it that you like the base :)

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Very smile. So trophy. Amaze. Many power. Tough. Holes. Much base.

In all seriousness, what do you guys think of the air bomb / air mine / tesla placement....That is one thing that I have not decided on quite yet.

Could you just post a screenshot with the final position of all defenses, including the one under construction ?

Should be easier to judge the base then.. ;)

Great thread OJM! I like you better in these threads instead of the misanthropic OJM in General ;) . Cake thanks for taking the lead in the actual design. Very cool.

One suggestion has been ignored so far though:

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I would put giant bombs in groups of 2.

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Would recommend using 2x giant bombs to kill hogs and enticing the attacker to enter from that direction

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A single giant bomb is almost always fairly useless in the beginnign of a hog attack since the heals negate the effect. I too would include the double giant bombs in any anti hog base. It's the only weapon we have to kill more than 3 hogs instantly.

I used Mavios 'Black Whole' in my latest cup push and got to 2868 with it. The single most important factor in the wins I had, was 15+ hogs being roasted in a double giant bomb explosion. Absolutely devestating to any hog attack (and ♥♥♥♥-in-my-pantselicious to look at in the replay). The only problems was that triggering them in the right way was heavily depended on the deployment of the attacker.

The challenge would be to intergrate them in the base design in such as way that almost any hog attack would trigger both Giant bomb pairs. Placing them in the center would realize that effect, but poses other risks. Any of you geniuses have an idea or counter argument? I'm not much of a designer myself, I'm better at poking holes in existing designs.

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Great thread OJM! I like you better in these threads instead of the misanthropic OJM in General ;) . Cake thanks for taking the lead in the actual design. Very cool.

One suggestion has been ignored so far though:





A single giant bomb is almost always fairly useless in the beginnign of a hog attack since the heals negate the effect. I too would include the double giant bombs in any anti hog base. It's the only weapon we have to kill more than 3 hogs instantly.

I used Mavios 'Black Whole' in my latest cup push and got to 2868 with it. The single most important factor in the wins I had, was 15+ hogs being roasted in a double giant bomb explosion. Absolutely devestating to any hog attack (and ♥♥♥♥-in-my-pantselicious to look at in the replay). The only problems was that triggering them in the right way was heavily depended on the deployment of the attacker.

The challenge would be to intergrate them in the base design in such as way that almost any hog attack would trigger both Giant bomb pairs. Placing them in the center would realize that effect, but poses other risks. Any of you geniuses have an idea or counter argument? I'm not much of a designer myself, I'm better at poking holes in existing designs.

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Well, we could double up giant bombs infront of that elixir storage...Also what are your overall thoughts of the base?

http://i.imgur.com/VWVBbB6.jpg

Thanks :)

I think you need to regroup the giant bombs for maximum effect against healed hogs.. should try this setup with arc x level 3..

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Thanks :)

I think you need to regroup the giant bombs for maximum effect against healed hogs.. should try this setup with arc x level 3..

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Where do you recommend for me to put the double giant bombs?

North/South or East/West.. against hogs they will be detonated anyways..

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http://i.imgur.com/VWVBbB6.jpgWell, we could double up giant bombs infront of that elixir storage...Also what are your overall thoughts of the base?

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Not a bad idea, though they won't stand still and might split up to that Tesla. Perhaps some trial and error, see what the most occuring bottlenecks are and place them there. It's essential that they are triggered at the same time.

Overall I love the base. The centralised WT are balloonions nightmare. If x-bows are up it will be hard to break the vault for balloonion, contrary to what a previous poster said. I would put two seeking and two anti air mines on the left and right side. Those sides are often attacked.

I'm not sure abou the tesla's though. They bridge hogs to the core, where we don't want them. I'll build the set this evening and will tinker around. I'll let you know.

For the air bomb placement, I'd go with blacks one for each AD, as close to the edge as possible. So when a bloon attack pours in, you get one bloon down before your AD wakes up. For the red ones, either protecting AD from swarm or the container protection for minions.

Springtraps protecting the most likely giant targets. Little bombs also container protecting and the santa trap to be triggered every time, so in front of TH.

Giant bomb placement already explained by others ;)

And..
@Giggitygoo: I'm done with General. :rolleyes:

Interesting thread. @cake I like it! Looks like something i'd make ;) :rolleyes:

Maybe ill contribute more later.

I followed most advice.... Things I'm still not sure about is mini bomb placement, giant bomb placement, tesla placement, and those little wall spikes on the inside....let me know :) also anyone who knows about AI, would this take giants and hogs ona merry go round?

http://i.imgur.com/IqR8Ro9.jpg

Wow, just got Giant / Wizard / Healer'd on me and guess how much gold they took? 1288...yupp

I readjusted the spring traps a little bit so they work for when giants enter and when they merry go round!

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I followed most advice.... Things I'm still not sure about is mini bomb placement, giant bomb placement, tesla placement, and those little wall spikes on the inside....let me know :) also anyone who knows about AI, would this take giants and hogs ona merry go round?

http://i.imgur.com/IqR8Ro9.jpg

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That is one damn fine base there, cake :) I think your hogring is hogproof and for giants as well a full not-so-merry-go-around.

Not sure about the giant bombs, will they ever get triggered like that, but that can be a bonus to not have to re-arm them all the time. I'd also move the black bombs further out to thin out full health bloons. Or then pull them even more in, close to the wizards.

For the purpose, I think that place is pretty much 9,5/10 (no such thing as perfect base ;)) but of course one can always improve, especially after some defence tests.

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Originally Posted by OJM

That is one damn fine base there, cake :) I think your hogring is hogproof and for giants as well a full not-so-merry-go-around.

Not sure about the giant bombs, will they ever get triggered like that, but that can be a bonus to not have to re-arm them all the time. I'd also move the black bombs further out to thin out full health bloons. Or then pull them even more in, close to the wizards.

For the purpose, I think that place is pretty much 9,5/10 (no such thing as perfect base ;)) but of course one can always improve, especially after some defence tests.

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Yay! So like i said i readjusted my spring traps a little bit, and I moved black bombs right outside of elixir storage which should be far enough out.....what do you possibly recommend for giant bombs?

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Originally Posted by cakework

Yay! So like i said i readjusted my spring traps a little bit, and I moved black bombs right outside of elixir storage which should be far enough out.....what do you possibly recommend for giant bombs?

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Check few replays first. Then, if you want max power from them, place them on the most common paths. And if you want to save money, to least used paths. And in case of a critical breach, put them there :)

I'm gonna have a long look at the design and when you got some defence data (and it is as good as we hope), might try to whip up a Th10 variation of it for myself.

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Originally Posted by OJM

Check few replays first. Then, if you want max power from them, place them on the most common paths. And if you want to save money, to least used paths. And in case of a critical breach, put them there :)

I'm gonna have a long look at the design and when you got some defence data (and it is as good as we hope), might try to whip up a Th10 variation of it for myself.

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Im logging off with 7mil gold and 30k de in the tank...should bring in some fun attacks :p Will post log soon

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Originally Posted by cakework

Im logging off with 7mil gold and 30k de in the tank...should bring in some fun attacks :p Will post log soon

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(15mins later) This base sucks, I lost 350/350/2,5k :mad: :mad: :mad:

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by OJM

Yep, like cake said, the teslas in the moat attract all kinds of bad things to the core.

I would put them as a surprise on the way to ADs to stack up bloons and then those red air bombs in detonating reach.

A balloon trap: (attack assumed from the arrow)

http://i.imgur.com/F4bkmhE.jpg?1
The tesla will pop up and bunch the bloons.
The red air bomb and wizard will weaken the bloons.
The AD will drop all bloons on one shot.

So in order for the attacker to survive, you need to use one heal on each trap. Expensive.

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Just personal opinion, for what it's worth: this is actually not a trap, but an invitation for balloon attack. All defenses that are relevant against balloons are conveniently grouped together, to facilitate heal spell use and to limit balloons travel time. You can only have 4 of these, so two groups of balloons clear half of the base and open the core. It could work for TH10, though, if supported with disco-balls.

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Originally Posted by YoN

Just personal opinion, for what it's worth: this is actually not a trap, but an invitation for balloon attack. All defenses that are relevant against balloons are conveniently grouped together, to facilitate heal spell use and to limit balloons travel time. You can only have 4 of these, so two groups of balloons clear half of the base and open the core. It could work for TH10, though, if supported with disco-balls.

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True, but if you manage to force the attacker to spend all they got on first 20 seconds of attack, you might be home free. It's always a risk to bunch up defences like that, but I have seen people manage to drop a full load of bloons on such and fail on 3% of damage :D

It's always about compromises. Wich makes base building far more interesting than attacking at least for me :)

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Originally Posted by OJM

True, but if you manage to force the attacker to spend all they got on first 20 seconds of attack, you might be home free. It's always a risk to bunch up defences like that, but I have seen people manage to drop a full load of bloons on such and fail on 3% of damage :D

It's always about compromises. Wich makes base building far more interesting than attacking at least for me :)

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Yup, OJM has turned me into a base builder :P

i will test it out to.. need another base tho,, so looks cool:cool:

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Originally Posted by cakework

So after so messing around I came up with a vault style labyrinth which I think is really cool (shout outs to ttsparkyboo and toby for helping me out!)

Also please note some building are shifted due to upgrade, but I am sure you can figure out where they should all be.

It comes in 2 mode (cant decide which one is better or works best)

Mode 1: Anti Bloon (With OJM's bloon traps!)

http://i.imgur.com/UhJGMxE.jpg

Mode 2: Anti Giant (more centralized teslas and air bombs)

http://i.imgur.com/OilwkSs.jpg

So first off, what do you guys think of these babys? Also which one do you prefer??? Let me know :)

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Originally Posted by cakework

I followed most advice.... Things I'm still not sure about is mini bomb placement, giant bomb placement, tesla placement, and those little wall spikes on the inside....let me know :) also anyone who knows about AI, would this take giants and hogs ona merry go round?

http://i.imgur.com/IqR8Ro9.jpg

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With the 1st design, did you experience an attack that was successful and thus prompted you to change it around?

They both look great, very interested in seeing defence logs.

Keep us posted!

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Originally Posted by Wh33ls

With the 1st design, did you experience an attack that was successful and thus prompted you to change it around?

They both look great, very interested in seeing defence logs.

Keep us posted!

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Yes I did, it was also brought to my attention that their was not adequate splash coverage, thus the wiz towers were put in core.

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Originally Posted by cakework

Yes I did, it was also brought to my attention that their was not adequate splash coverage, thus the wiz towers were put in core.

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Looking at the 2 designs I can see that it was a wise choice to centralize those WT's. Excited to see some defence logs!

Bottom one is with old base, top one is with new base!

http://i.imgur.com/L47ZRqg.jpg

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Originally Posted by cakework

Bottom one is with old base, top one is with new base!

http://i.imgur.com/L47ZRqg.jpg

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Successful, good start! Was the attack well executed? Okay Th8 max troops, would be interesting to see some strong TH9 attacks, but hopefully they will come soon.

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I remember seeing richard post this in the super vault thread, is it still viable or could it be tweaked to make more viable. Also cake i really like your design and would be keen to test or help in the thread if you and OJM were cool with it.

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I remember seeing richard post this in the super vault thread, is it still viable or could it be tweaked to make more viable. Also cake i really like your design and would be keen to test or help in the thread if you and OJM were cool with it.

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Its a nice base, but I dislike the un-centralized CC.....btw you cant test what ever you want :)

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Originally Posted by cakework

Its a nice base, but I dislike the un-centralized CC.....btw you cant test what ever you want :)

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cool ive loved these threads

OH MY GOSHH! LOOK AT THAT! CAKE LOST GOLD! THIS BASE MUST SUCKKKK...

Nah, he lightning'd my gold storages and his queen sniped a storage that would not have happened if I had both my xbows / my one xbow was set to ground.

http://i.imgur.com/YyQhIdC.jpg

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Nice thread you have :) - Im intrigued if this catches on with the Coc community... goodluck with your quest!

I've been trying to find a suitable base to fend off hogs and I've come to the conclusion that they are unstoppable.
A fully upgraded hogs attack with 4 max heal spells 100% me everytime. Even when they fail to 100% me, I've lost all storage.

The ONLY viable solution I can come up with that can potentially stop hogs is a good double giant bomb (lvl3) placement that goes off at the same time. At level 3, bombs do 250 damage each, and 2 of them do 500 damage. Hogs have less than 500 health. The idea is to 1 shot them neglecting heal spells.

Can somehow post a screenshot that have successful defend against an all out hogs attack with full spells? The one that knows how to lure heroes and cc out.

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Originally Posted by OJM

I'd go with the anti-bloon version. Maybe move the black air bombs to the outer rim to thin out the initial impact? I think your trophy range should determine, which type you protect yourself from. My guess: crystal=bloons, giants=gold.


I don't know how much you can do with a TH8 against a strong TH9 attack. We can, of course, start a new thread for Th8's, if the old Th8 vault is already outdated. Or make a new custom base just for you ;)

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Thanks so much OJM big fan of your work:o. I would love to help with it :D.

I'd like to re-adress my base, as it's still my ol' reliable. There will be a guide(likely the weekend) from me at some point on one of my favorite and probably strongest points, a well-controlled range and a beautiful execution that makes me want to make sweets for my base.
http://i.imgur.com/ARsVvff.jpg.

OJM you and I are usually within range of each other to be matched, so keep an eye out, maybe we'll finally get our Mano a Mano.

For greater elixir protection, I moved the E storage to where the upgrading AD goes. One can also switch the E storages with the DE Drills(my execution can be seen IG: Roberto in CastleCrushers)

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Originally Posted by CharlesBubbles

Personally I like the second one more, its more intimidating and even if it uses more walls the first type of vault never worked for me.

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second one because it would be easier to make a labyrinth and it looks cooler;).

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Originally Posted by cakework

Was looking at some bases and came across cosmii in crucible wrath. That open concept could be used to turn a base into a very tricky and trap filled hell for troops. Could be made into a strong hog vault.

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Very deceiving that one. I have seen one of the defense replays...and it was ugly for the one who tried to attack!

Good thread, very thought provoking.

Are these cores any good?

http://i44.tinypic.com/519ekg.png
Uses 172 walls




http://i40.tinypic.com/xbd3k7.png
Uses 180 walls, has a place to hide your Pumpkin or Present:p

Seriously. What I used as rules of thumbs at Th1-8 are basically out the window. I may break my self-imposed rule of no copying until I actually understand the rules of these new bases....

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Seriously. What I used as rules of thumbs at Th1-8 are basically out the window. I may break my self-imposed rule of no copying until I actually understand the rules of these new bases....

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The door has opened up in the world of base designing. Enjoy :cool:

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Are these cores any good?

http://i44.tinypic.com/519ekg.png
Uses 172 walls


http://i40.tinypic.com/xbd3k7.png
Uses 180 walls, has a place to hide your Pumpkin or Present:p

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Question is, do you want to spend the walls segmenting the core if you want to keep people away from the core? Moat is a valid design, and those cores would have to be paired up with a maze of traps and deployment pushed as far as it goes.

Both will work just fine, just eats up so many walls that your outer layer will be very simple - limited troop manipulation. Maybe make a mockup base and see what happens?

Cake great looking base, have any hogs attacked it yet? I would really like to test it if it can repel hogs. I'm using an anti hog base and it works pretty well, look me up tmann05 in noobworldorder. Also what would your base look like as a trophy pushing base?

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First time really trying to build a competitive base so all input would be awesome.

To the left we have the core of the base and to the right we have a full version. Not really sure about trap placement so let me know if I should move anything.

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Cake great looking base, have any hogs attacked it yet? I would really like to test it if it can repel hogs. I'm using an anti hog base and it works pretty well, look me up tmann05 in noobworldorder. Also what would your base look like as a trophy pushing base?

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Thank you for the kind words about the base. Unfortunately, I do not believe this would be easily transformed into a Trophy Base.

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First time really trying to build a competitive base so all input would be awesome.

To the left we have the core of the base and to the right we have a full version. Not really sure about trap placement so let me know if I should move anything.

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If you have everything well enough upgraded, that can work. Only thing, that worries me on the design is the possible effect of lightning on DE. The collateral damage on gold will attract unnecessary amount of lightning strikes. Swapping CC and DE container will reduce the risk a bit.