SuperCell and Clash of Clans - Recent updates

Dear SuperCell,

It seems like with the recent past few updates, you have alienated your fan base like never before. There has always been players upset, but never to this degree!

With the November update, you took away the revenge shields from trophy players, which led to protest from many of the top players like never before. With the December update, you make it extremely difficult for anybody to max out their storages! Many of my clanmates are already thinking of quitting. I tell them that they just have to be active, attack players lower than them, etc... but many players simply cannot be as active as you expect to overcome the loot drainage.

I understand that updates are necessary to keep the game refreshing, but I question why you are making what seems to be updates that are radically changing an already great and successful game as it is! Clash of Clans has been a cash cow for you in the past year, and if there are to be changes made, they should only be minor tweaks without alienating the entire fan base.

There are many things that can be added to Clash of Clans to make it even better, however, please be extremely cautious when it comes to changing the very foundation of what has made Clash of Clans so successful so far.

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If any of you guys feel SuperCell is changing the game too significantly, let it be known!

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Originally Posted by GonFreakss

Dear SuperCell,

It seems like with the recent past few updates, you have alienated your fan base like never before. There has always been players upset, but never to this degree!

With the November update, you took away the revenge shields from trophy players, which led to protest from many of the top players like never before. With the December update, you make it extremely difficult for anybody to max out their storages! Many of my clanmates are already thinking of quitting. I tell them that they just have to be active, attack players lower than them, etc... but many players simply cannot be as active as you expect to overcome the loot drainage.

I understand that updates are necessary to keep the game refreshing, but I question why you are making what seems to be updates that are radically changing an already great and successful game as it is! Clash of Clans has been a cash cow for you in the past year, and if there are to be changes made, they should only be minor tweaks without alienating the entire fan base.

There are many things that can be added to Clash of Clans to make it even better, however, please be extremely cautious when it comes to changing the very foundation of what has made Clash of Clans so successful so far.

GonFreakss

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I get your point, But It's useless to open another thread, There are so many threads, use one of them to discuss about the update :)

This thread is more about all the changes combined. I've been playing this game for close to a year, and I have never seen so many players upset over the recent updates. It is like they are reinventing the game itself.

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Originally Posted by BoMBeR

I get your point, But It's useless to open another thread, There are so many threads, use one of them to discuss about the update :)

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Originally Posted by GonFreakss

This thread is more about all the changes combined. I've been playing this game for close to a year, and I have never seen so many players upset over the recent updates. It is like they are reinventing the game itself.

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Unfortunately, this thread, regardless of how well thought (it is well thought, no doubt about it), will get sooner or later merged to the main thread and buried under thousands and thousands of other posts. Almost all the feedback falls into two categories: praise and complain. Majority of the feedback so far has been complaints (for obvious reasons) and an official statement has been given: give it time, even though a big chunk of forumers have pointed already out, that waiting it out won't solve the fundemental issue of the new system. It will, however, reduce the amount of complaints soon enough, as many will quit and more reacently abondened bases emerge from the lines and the small amount but highly active forumers will come to the forums to post their great finds of loot, thus disputing anyone who still has issue by claiming they "suck".

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Originally Posted by OJM

Unfortunately, this thread, regardless of how well thought (it is well thought, no doubt about it), will get sooner or later merged to the main thread and buried under thousands and thousands of other posts. Almost all the feedback falls into two categories: praise and complain. Majority of the feedback so far has been complaints (for obvious reasons) and an official statement has been given: give it time, even though a big chunk of forumers have pointed already out, that waiting it out won't solve the fundemental issue of the new system. It will, however, reduce the amount of complaints soon enough, as many will quit and more reacently abondened bases emerge from the lines and the small amount but highly active forumers will come to the forums to post their great finds of loot, thus disputing anyone who still has issue by claiming they "suck".

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They aren't gonna quit. Always , after every update forum is full of loot sucks title. I'm TH10 like you , and changing/ed my cup range and finding a loot which is pretty good. So instead of saying many will quit , and blah blah...try reading Steve's post , change your cup range. Still don't like...just give up

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Originally Posted by OJM

Unfortunately, this thread, regardless of how well thought (it is well thought, no doubt about it), will get sooner or later merged to the main thread and buried under thousands and thousands of other posts. Almost all the feedback falls into two categories: praise and complain. Majority of the feedback so far has been complaints (for obvious reasons) and an official statement has been given: give it time, even though a big chunk of forumers have pointed already out, that waiting it out won't solve the fundemental issue of the new system. It will, however, reduce the amount of complaints soon enough, as many will quit and more reacently abondened bases emerge from the lines and the small amount but highly active forumers will come to the forums to post their great finds of loot, thus disputing anyone who still has issue by claiming they "suck".

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Your analysis makes logical sense.

The causal effect:
The time it takes for people to eventually quit because of disappointment might causally equates to the wait that SuperCell's SuperSteve mentioned in his post for loot to get better http://forum.supercell.net/showthrea...tem-(SC-update)

Thus the loot get better only from the abandoned bases of players who quit.


Eventually the fundamental issue is that SuperCell started the exponential inflation of everything since TH7, as mines' level stagnated since then.

before the update I was at 5.5 mil gold and 5.5 mil elixir....

since the update I constantly get raided and during raids cannot find anything good to raid or get anything worthy... I have not bought anything and now since the update my gold is at 4.35 million right now and elixir is 2.81 million. I have lost Massive amounts of both.

overnight I got raided three times losing over 800k gold and over 600k elixir.

and when I raid I cannot make up enough of what I lose..... I cant do this no more!!!

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Originally Posted by InjusticeHN

They aren't gonna quit. Always , after every update forum is full of loot sucks title. I'm TH10 like you , and changing/ed my cup range and finding a loot which is pretty good. So instead of saying many will quit , and blah blah...try reading Steve's post , change your cup range. Still don't like...just give up

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Most players aren't on the forums. When they notice the patch "ruins" their game, they quit. No rants, no complaints. Just delete the app. The few, who come to forums, are often people, who would still want to play the game, but their user experience has severy damaged. So they try to get SC to change their minds and make the game how the person would prefer.

This update was indeed even more clear indication towards pay2win and pay2play. When you can't substitude hours of gameplay a day to progress but would need long sessions on daily basis OR gem, I believe it drives away quite a chunk of casuals.

It's a quiet morning on the forum i'll let this one ride for a bit.

But the guys are right you should really use the existing thread.

OJM,

I first disputed your predictions that this new update will have an adverse effect on the game. I know see my error in my initial analysis.

My bigger concern is that the game, Clash of Clans itself. With each subsequent update, the game itself is no longer recognizable to me. SuperCell, what exactly are you doing? Why are you changing a game that has been so successful for you?

If they continue to make drastic changes like this in the upcoming months, I really believe that the game will die out. I am concerned that the game that have enjoyed playing for over a year now will cease to exist! Who knows, maybe by then, I max out my TH10, and quit the game as well. It's sad to say that... but with the current trends of the updates, it might very well lead to that point.

SuperCell, please don't destroy the very game that has created so much fun for so many players! What is good for clash of clans, and its players, is good for SuperCell. Don't go changing what is not broke!

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Originally Posted by OJM

Most players aren't on the forums. When they notice the patch "ruins" their game, they quit. No rants, no complaints. Just delete the app. The few, who come to forums, are often people, who would still want to play the game, but their user experience has severy damaged. So they try to get SC to change their minds and make the game how the person would prefer.

This update was indeed even more clear indication towards pay2win and pay2play. When you can't substitude hours of gameplay a day to progress but would need long sessions on daily basis OR gem, I believe it drives away quite a chunk of casuals.

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Originally Posted by InjusticeHN

They aren't gonna quit. Always , after every update forum is full of loot sucks title. I'm TH10 like you , and changing/ed my cup range and finding a loot which is pretty good. So instead of saying many will quit , and blah blah...try reading Steve's post , change your cup range. Still don't like...just give up

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That's because you're a freaking Th10, this update benefits you, how the heck could you understand the difficulty that Th8 and 9 are facing?

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Originally Posted by rjdofu

That's because you're a freaking Th10, this update benefits you, how the heck could you understand the difficulty that Th8 and 9 are facing?

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Just to let you know , I got a th7 account too , stop being a silly non thinking....Getting TH8 in 19h , so all is good. If some people cry , thats cuz they have no ability of understanding

Lets face it, the last 2 updates have addressed two fundamental issues with the game - anti-competitive abuses of cheap shields and loot at the upper levels. I applaud SUPERCELL for taking the bull by the horns in both cases. Whether the implementations are perfect, I doubt, but they needed to be addressed and i have faith that 1) we will adapt and 2) SC will fine-tune where necessary

remember collectors and storage's far away from base plz and thank you... i will adapt:cool:

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Originally Posted by StanDadVille

Lets face it, the last 2 updates have addressed two fundamental issues with the game - anti-competitive abuses of cheap shields and loot at the upper levels. I applaud SUPERCELL for taking the bull by the horns in both cases. Whether the implementations are perfect, I doubt, but they needed to be addressed and i have faith that 1) we will adapt and 2) SC will fine-tune where necessary

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Of course. Many will adapt by deleting CoC. Many will adapt by spending more money.

Few still try to get SC to put their money where their mouth is. This update did just the opposite.

Perfect topic, every successful game that I played and went dead happened because of changes on the gameplay, everyone of them. Tibia, Silkroad Online, Ikariam, and many many others, when they change the gameplay of something awesome, people just tend to leave because it doesn't feel like the game u fell in love to

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Originally Posted by Gubert

Perfect topic, every successful game that I played and went dead happened because of changes on the gameplay, everyone of them. Tibia, Silkroad Online, Ikariam, and many many others, when they change the gameplay of something awesome, people just tend to leave because it doesn't feel like the game u fell in love to

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For a TH10, the game wasnt that awesome anymore... Everyday the same collector raids, now and then a trophy push to realise that the loot sucks and that you can't play the game up there. They had to change something to keep us playing. I used to be a hardcore farmer but the last 2 months, all i did was collect my resources and raided 2 times every day. The game became boring because upgrading walls stops at lv9 for the ppl who have a life, work, kids,.... Things got too expensive.
I'm not saying that they did the right thing with the new loot-system. But they had to do something about it.

I find that I must agree with you here. There is no point in trying to make a square wheel when the circle one is already proved to be the best. But I do disagree about the looting system because I think it makes it more fair now that a bunch of farmers wont attack a noob for his loot. I remember how the loot system USED to be... It would suck when you were saving for a big upgrade and then some idiot can come and attack you and take all your loot and trophies just because he had the money to buy gems and train a ton of maxed troops. This way it is also better because it adds the requirement of you using strategy to find the perfect base to attack. And the loot isnt really bad because quite a few people can also find extremely high loot raids even with this new system. I'll bet youre just upset about it because you dont have the patience or skill required to find a good base to attack.

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Originally Posted by boombadaboom

I find that I must agree with you here. There is no point in trying to make a square wheel when the circle one is already proved to be the best. But I do disagree about the looting system because I think it makes it more fair now that a bunch of farmers wont attack a noob for his loot. I remember how the loot system USED to be... It would suck when you were saving for a big upgrade and then some idiot can come and attack you and take all your loot and trophies just because he had the money to buy gems and train a ton of maxed troops. This way it is also better because it adds the requirement of you using strategy to find the perfect base to attack. And the loot isnt really bad because quite a few people can also find extremely high loot raids even with this new system. I'll bet youre just upset about it because you dont have the patience or skill required to find a good base to attack.

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That bump :b

But no, you're right, some including me don't have the time or effort to constantly (and skilfully) click next hundreds of times.

The system is good, the loot is bad.

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Originally Posted by GonFreakss

Dear SuperCell,

It seems like with the recent past few updates, you have alienated your fan base like never before. There has always been players upset, but never to this degree!

With the November update, you took away the revenge shields from trophy players, which led to protest from many of the top players like never before. With the December update, you make it extremely difficult for anybody to max out their storages! Many of my clanmates are already thinking of quitting. I tell them that they just have to be active, attack players lower than them, etc... but many players simply cannot be as active as you expect to overcome the loot drainage.

I understand that updates are necessary to keep the game refreshing, but I question why you are making what seems to be updates that are radically changing an already great and successful game as it is! Clash of Clans has been a cash cow for you in the past year, and if there are to be changes made, they should only be minor tweaks without alienating the entire fan base.

There are many things that can be added to Clash of Clans to make it even better, however, please be extremely cautious when it comes to changing the very foundation of what has made Clash of Clans so successful so far.

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If any of you guys feel SuperCell is changing the game too significantly, let it be known!

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Normally, I would chalk this up to be a rant and wouldn't even read it, but now it's getting ridiculous, c'mon SC cn a. Bagilions of dollars, put it to use.