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SC should allow atleast the Leader to remove clan castle troops from war map from any war member. This way if any wrong donation is done it can be handled. If possible, also allow Leader to identify who donated wrong troops. That will help clans to great extent.
If wrong donation is done than the players CAN remove it. If leader is allowed to do so than he may even remove the correct donations. What do you think?
I agree leaders should be able to remove troops from war cc’s. This would be a nice quality of life improvement.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tejvora81
I agree and I would give co leaders the ability as well.
I don't believe anyone beside me should be touching my cc troops whether they be the right ones or not. Just like clan members make mistakes in donating, leaders will make mistakes as well when they remove them. All we will be doing is replacing threads complaining about wrong troops in cc with complaints from leaders that it is now THEIR responsibility alone to make sure cc donates are correct and have to go through a 40v40 war and check each and every one of their 40 to ensure it is correct. God forbid if they don't have time or forget as their clan mates will now view it as the leaders problem and not their own. Not a good idea at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
If you are in a clan where the leader removes your war cc troops even though they are the troops you requested, there is a good way to avoid that, go to a clan with a better leader. I doubt there would be threads from leaders complaining like you guess. I do suspect there would be threads from players complaining that their leader is dumb and took out troops that were wanted and the responses would be that the clan is likely terrible with that type of leader anyway so go somewhere else. In the end, I think it would do more good than harm. I know it is not uncommon in our clan for someone to accidentally hit the wrong troop when donating and then we have to hope the person removes it so we can correct it. It would be so much easier if the leader could help. In a system where the leader can decide whether you even get to war at all, I don’t think it would be much of an issue for the leader to have some power over the cc troops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
I hear you, but I don't want folks mucking with my CC. I can take care of it myself thanks. End of day if they do install this idea, I don't want to hear a single peep from folks because a new issue was created when they solved this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
I bet you are in a clan with a leader who wouldn’t mess with the war cc troops that you want? You don’t strike me as being in a clan that would have a different type of leader. Assuming that is the case, what would happen if someone put the wrong troops in your war cc and the leader noticed is he could take them out and put the correct troops in, rather than sending you messages trying to get you online asap so he can put the correct troops in.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
That said, almost everything has positives and negatives and players on both sides of it. I am sure if they added his feature some players wouldn’t like it. I know my clan would love it.
Yes the clan I'm in wouldn't do that and I know I speak from a position of privilege. That being said, we expect folks to check their CC troops prior to war and prior to war attacks. Additionally, we have a culture that when someone contributes the wrong troops, they step forward right away and let the owner of that CC know. We also ensure they are filled usually within a few hours of prep day starting so we have many hours to make corrections in the rare event they are required. I guess at the end of it all, we expect folks to take responsibility and encourage them when they do and tweak as required where they don't. It's pretty much all adults from 18-60 so it's not a big deal to have everyone buy in.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Why would you want to keep donations you did not want? If a wrong donation can be immediately corrected by a leader why would that be a bad thing? If the concern is that the leadership would find a way to abuse this then this is a leadership problem. The fact that a leader is able to decide who can and cannot go to war is far more prone to abuse than having the ability to change what is in your war cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
At this point in time, it is the responsibility of the leadership to make sure that war ccs are filled that is why they are leaders. Its been like that since the beginning.
Agree, and I posted this to the QOL request sticky soon after that thread started. Co-leaders should have this power too. The other big piece that's missing is being able to remove one troop at a time and not the whole batch.
From what I've seen, the reality is that most people don't care about their CCs. The job to fill is left to the couple of people in war with the strongest troops. People put in their request messages then don't change them for months if not years. Their bases evolve, the meta evolves, and request messages stay the same. I think players like Tosti who actively monitor their own CC are few and far between. Leaders like me who want this power are more common :)
This is a good idea, definitely useful, though not earth changing.
It happens, someone makes a donation mistake, goblin instead of baby, or it’s a new member, and the recipient is expected to log on only during war.
It should only only be the leader. Not Co-Leaders. If there are any issues, it’s a Leader issue. If Co-Leaders could do it, there’s myriads of things that could go wrong.
I am not really vested in how this turns out, I would just prefer to be accountable for myself and not have someone else get in the way. As for leaders not doing the right thing, how many times have you read in these forums from leaders thenselves about how the want their clan to run and you shake your head? Being a clan leader has no entrance exam or qualification tests, you get all kinds of them. That isnt a problem for me but I can anticipate that giving more power to bad leader leads nowhere good. Like I said, I am ok either way, just my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
You are not accountable for someone else's mistake or someone else's action. Just because it is your base does not mean that it is your responsibility if someone else did something to it. You cannot be held accountable for your war CC unless you purposely remove your cc troops right before war starts and not allowing anyone to fill it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
There is a solution to having a bad leader and that is to find a clan that has a good one. Why would you want to stay in a clan where the leader is causing you grief?
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Originally Posted by Gorbash098
Not sure exactly where you think I am complaining about my clan, as I said before, I don’t have that problem, I am looking more globally to the right answer rather than worrying about myself. As to accountability, I dont believe that it should fall on a leaders shoulders simply because I cant be bothered to check my war cc or any cc myself. Treat folks like they are children and oddly enoigh they become more childlike. Treat them like adults and they seem to mature.
I did not mean you per se. I probably should have said "why would someone...".Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
I do not know why you are arguing about treating folks like children, I think that is irrelevant to this discussion. This is more about being able to correct a mistake easily and immediately.
Whether or not you agree that the leaders are responsible for making sure that the war CCs are full is also irrelevant. If you are not the leader and you choose to check all the war CCs then good for you but not everyone will take on that responsibility. If you are not there, who's shoulder should that responsibility fall onto? Who makes that decision? Sounds to me like these are things that leaders should do.
Perhaps I am not stating my view succinctly. people who make mistakes should be accountable for their mistakes, by putting in all sorts of safety nets for their behaviour, we allow them to continue to make mistakes and never grow or take accountability and hence they remain childlike. Having leaders constantly clean up after them just enables them even more. If that is the role that you believe a leader should have, thats entirely up to you. In my view that just ensures that every mistake made wont matter to anyone, because the leader will take care of it. In my view, the best way to solve this issue is to hold those who make mistakes accountable and through that the behaviours will diminish. Would it be expedient to just have leaders fix everything? Sure. Is it going to make the situation less prevalent in the future? I think it will make it worse.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
If you are going to hold those who made the mistakes accountable means that they should be the one correcting the mistake. How do you propose to do that when you would not let anyone remove troops from your cc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
I think you are making this more complicated than it is. This is not a teaching moment nor is this an exercise in teaching people responsibility. This is simply correcting a mistake as easily and quickly as possible. There are far better tools and forums out there to educate people about accountability, far better than a game you play on a phone.
Player A: Darn, I just accidentally hit one more archer than intended on Player B’s base and now there is no room for this dragon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
Player A: Player B, are you there? I need you to delete that archer so I can put a dragon in there.
Player C: I don’t think player B is online.
Player A: Ugh, I hope he sees this before the war starts so he can delete that archer.
Player A: Leader, are you on? Can you fix it?
Leader: No, I can’t change it. I will send a clan mail, hopefully Player B sees it.
Player A: What should I do? Should I put something else in there in case he doesn’t see it before the war starts?
Etc.
Or, Leader could just remove the one archer so the mistake is corrected.
Player A acknowledges his mistake and is trying to make it right. The proposed change would make it easier to do so.
Agreeing with 2222 and Gorbash098. Most clans out there have players from different time-zones, the player's cc that the mistake has happened on might be sleeping while you are calling them and sending urgent mails. Co-leaders and Leaders are quite a few in many clans, it is their duty to check out the situation from time to time, why are they leaders then?! I don't know at what time-zone you are, but if a donation mistake has happened with someone donating you, it's a game over for you if it's 3 AM by the time that mistake had happened; while only one of those leaders could have resolved the issue.
If responsibility is determined by the one who handles donations in a game, then you can safely call millions out there irresponsible and childish. Just because I'm fixing a mistake done by OTHER member on you, that is in no way reducing your responsibility and experience level.
Player A: Hey Leader, you online? Someone put the wrong thing in my CC again, can you go in and drop that archer please?
Leader: Sure can, this used to happen very rarely but this is the 6th time this month I have had to do it.
Player A: Yeah i noticed that as well, that’s why I log in before war every time just to check my war CC. I think folks figure that since you can go in and fix it anyways that they do’t need to be as careful to get it right.
Leader: I have brought it up in clan chat too but everyone asks “whats the big deal, just have everyone check their war cc before war starts or they say that its the leaders responsibility to check everyones cc”.....not sure how this became my problem.
I don’t understand at all why you think the leader’s ability to remove mistaken war cc troop donations would make players donate the wrong war cc troops more often. I’ve tried to think of why that would be the case and cannot come up with anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
In this scenario, there is a troll in the clan that needs to be remove. You are assuming that people are purposely putting in the wrong the cc troops as oppose to making a mistake. I understand that this does not happen in your clan but to claim that this will happen to the rest is simply unsubstantiated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
As for the leader, this becomes your problem the moment you decided you wanted to be a leader whether it be from starting a clan or accepting the role. Just like it is the leader's responsibility to recruit people, settle disagreement and make sure that members of your clan do what they are supposed to do.
In a well functioning clan, I would agree with you. Given the complaints about how often this happens we can assume that some clans have a larger problem with cc donates than what we might have. Lets face it, we care a lot about getting donates rightso we are likely only making a mistake rarely if ever. In our case, letting the leader fix it is likely not an issue.
In clans with less focus on getting it right, they now have an easy fix to their lack of focus so what little focus they had will diminish. If someone will always fix my mistakes, and I have already shown a tendency to not care as much as I should, human nature tells us that I will care even less as that is the easiest path for me.
It doesnt have to be a troll, how many folks believe they can boost their donate count by filling war CCs? No evil intent, simply lack of knowledge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
I still don’t see the connection. The mistake can be corrected currently. The proposed change in this thread allows one more person (the leader) to also correct the mistake. I don’t agree with your prediction that this would cause the mistake to happen more frequently.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
So you are saying that in a clan that already has this problem, it will still be a problem. Whether or not the feature is implemented the problem will still exist. The only difference is that the leader will then have an easier way to correct it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
Please demonstrate how what you described is human nature. You agreed with 2222 that in a well functioning clan (composed of humans) this will not happen. How will that be different from other clans which is also filled with humans?
I understand where we disagree and thats ok, we dont have to agree. At least my point has been more clearly communicated and understood, my fault for not being more clear earlier on. All good.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
What a boring forum it would be if we all agreed all the time.....Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
Then this is not a situation where someone is being careless. This is a situation where someone maybe misinformed and the leader or someone else needs to talk to that person in order to give that person the correct information. In the meantime, the leader can correct the mistake. Nevertheless, this is still not caused by the feature being discussed here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
The difference is the well functioning part not the human part. Regardless I have made my point and you disagree that it will get worse, as is your right to do so. We can agree to disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gorbash098
So if it is not the human part then human nature does not play a part in what you describe as what people will do if someone else corrects their mistakes. That is a contradiction in your statements.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
I am always baffled about the statement "agree to disagree". Whenever there is a discussion of opposing views, it is by default that they agree to disagree, otherwise they agree with each other. I always thought that it is a useless tautology.
At any rate, I will respect the implications that you no longer wish to continue the conversation. Its been nice talking to you. I hope we can do this again sometime.
I’m yet to see any coherent reason why a Leader removing a CC troop could cause a clan problem. Clan management is very simple in that the Leader is in charge.
Unknown Co-Leaders removing troops, that’s possibly way worse than the problem of unknown people donating bad troops.
I would love to see this added into the game.
This could be good but the player should be able to opt on/off if they want leaders to take out troops from their war cc. Some people (like me) dont go with the more traditional valks, wiz, dragon in their war cc. So if I got the troops that I want, the leader cant take them out if they dont like them.
Personally, I think you're taking too much of a "holier than thou" approach on this. I fill all the war castles in my clan because I have multiple accounts and an easy system for cooking the troops. I run 30's and 40's and occasionally I Fat-finger one too many archers in one of my th9's or 10's castles and I find it cumbersome and wasteful to have to call them on discord, send clan mails out etc etc just so they can empty the cc. Clan leaders should be able to delete one troop, and I mean 1 troop, why does it have to delete the entire amount of troops as well?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tosti111
There's also the clans that have international players, or players that may not be glued to the game and it's just not fair to hold the players filling CC's hostage to the game to get a mistake corrected. So I dont see a downside to this. If you are a respected player in your clan you wont have to worry about leaders not taking your requests seriously. There are also a bunch of noobs out there that do request inferior CC's because they don't know what they're doing, and I do think a clan leader should have discretion there. I personally do think every clan castle should have something from the dragon family or a hound in the CC, and when I see someone have neither in their request, you bet your butt that I don't respect it.
So I think this should be implemented into the game because there are clan leaders that put a severe amount of time into the game and they shouldnt have to waste another second chasing people down to delete troops out of their CC. Life is too short, I wish I have 1/10 of my life back from wastage of time in this game because of OTHER people. Make it more accessible.