Why is the loot system still so hellacious - more & more players quitting?

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September 24th, 2018
SylentEcho

Why is the loot system still so hellacious - more & more players quitting?
Guys, I honestly love this game, so don't get me wrong. I've been playing this game since 2013, but the last year or so, I've been very off and on.

I know SO many players have quit. I hate to see players go away and get tired of the never-ending grind that is currently on the Home Village of COC.

The loot system in the Builder Base was a step in the right direction and needs to happen on the main village.

The main problems everyone faces:
- Unlimited loot and attacks in a day, leads to a tedious grind
- Heroes take too long to heal
- and here's the worst part - NEXTING! This gets very frustrating and has led many to quit. It takes a good amount time to train up a decent army with heroes, then you might spend 20-30 minutes 'nexting' if you're unlucky.
This holds true for most people, but more so 'end game' players need a little bit of respite and a more relaxed way to get loot and play.

Heck, I don't mind if we're limited to just 3 attacks like the Builder Base, but can use gems to get another shot. I'd be happy to start buying gems again just to get loot for walls and stuff.

What do you guys think?
September 24th, 2018
Klavious

I think I'd have quit Clash years ago if your system was implemented.
September 24th, 2018
Ajax

The loot system is probably the single most annoying thing about BB for most players.

Clash may be losing 0.1% of its players due to being able to loot to much (though I doubt it is that high).

If this were implemented, 90% of players would quit within a week.
September 24th, 2018
SylentEcho

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Originally Posted by Klavious

I think I'd have quit Clash years ago if your system was implemented.

Interesting. I'm curious as to how you play the game. What TH are you and what league are you in? Also, do you make strong/costly armies and have trouble 'nexting', like people like myself and others do?

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Originally Posted by Ajax

The loot system is probably the single most annoying thing about BB for most players.

Clash may be losing 0.1% of its players due to being able to loot to much (though I doubt it is that high).

If this were implemented, 90% of players would quit within a week.

I see where you're coming from about BB being annoying, but what about refilling that meter with gems, like I'd mentioned?
September 24th, 2018
B1gb8dwo7f

I am in Legends. I attack the first base given to me just about every time. My builders and lab are always busy. I have more loot than I know what to do with.

As an end game player, my qualms are the wait times, waitibg in the clouds and waiting on upgrades, sans builder books.

If they made the main game more like or too much like the builder base, I would definitely quit for good, just saying.

Edit.

I also used to spend a fair amount on gems, boosting and wakijg AQ mostly, and now with all the goodies they give away, i rarely buy any gems at all. Usually, only if the have a really attractive $20 loot package but even then rarely do I buy anymore.
September 24th, 2018
Tomville

I’m not sure where to go with this. The game just does involve grinding - that’s part of its nature and something a lot of players look for in a game. Hero regen times can be long, but then we have boosts and training potions - those things keep it very playable even with max heros (provided one isn’t up so high as to be clouding, a separate problem). And if you are nexting that long then you are likely either in the wrong league for your town hall level or too fussy about the amount of loot a target needs to be worth attacking.

I do get how some can be frustrated with how long it takes to get enough loot to upgrade. But there’s usually a reason for that connected to how they play and what results they expect. My brother in law, for example, plays Clash. He’s played much longer than I have yet has progressed much slower, as he’s very casual - a month or more can go by before he pops back and is active for maybe a week or so then vanishes again. He was telling me that the amount of loot he needs for upgrades puts him off, wanting about 8 million to do things (he’s a rather rushed th11 now, and was a rather rushed th10 last Xmas)... but then he recognises that if he didn’t keep putting it down so long and instead did a little every day he wouldn’t be parked where he is. Some games just aren’t good fits for our lives without that tempering of expectation against the realities of how the game is when you do what you are doing with it. He’s happy enough to keep coming back, as he realises it’s basically him not the game, and enjoys it enough despite this.
September 24th, 2018
Monoxide
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Originally Posted by SylentEcho

Guys, I honestly love this game, so don't get me wrong. I've been playing this game since 2013, but the last year or so, I've been very off and on.

I know SO many players have quit. I hate to see players go away and get tired of the never-ending grind that is currently on the Home Village of COC.

The loot system in the Builder Base was a step in the right direction and needs to happen on the main village.

The main problems everyone faces:

Unlimited loot and attacks in a day, leads to a tedious grind
Heroes take too long to heal
and here's the worst part - NEXTING! This gets very frustrating and has led many to quit. It takes a good amount time to train up a decent army with heroes, then you might spend 20-30 minutes 'nexting' if you're unlucky.

This holds true for most people, but more so 'end game' players need a little bit of respite and a more relaxed way to get loot and play.

Heck, I don't mind if we're limited to just 3 attacks like the Builder Base, but can use gems to get another shot. I'd be happy to start buying gems again just to get loot for walls and stuff.

What do you guys think?
None of the “problems” you have listed are actually problems and your ideas would be the death of clash. Frankly, I’m not even sure you’re post is serious it’s so bad for the game
September 24th, 2018
SylentEcho

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Originally Posted by Monoxide

None of the “problems” you have listed are actually problems and your ideas would be the death of clash. Frankly, I’m not even sure you’re post is serious it’s so bad for the game

maybe mine aren't too great and that's just from the top of my head, but there's seriously a problem, when people have been quitting or playing way less since the last year or so.

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And if you are nexting that long then you are likely either in the wrong league for your town hall level or too fussy about the amount of loot a target needs to be worth attacking.

I build a Bow-Witch army, so I need some good return for it. Other times, when I raid with a Elixir-heavy army, I need good return too. I fluctuate between Champ 1 and 2. Don't really want to go higher at the moment, because nexting becomes more of an issue the higher I go up, it seems.

So, maybe the Heroes regenerating for a long time aren't an issue, maybe the loot isn't an issue, but the 'nexting' clearly is, and I'm not the only guy complaining about that. Barring all the issues with BB, don't you just love it, when you're just paired up instantly?

We need to get paired up fast against a DE-heavy base, if we're carrying a DE-Heavy army and likewise for Elixir, in my opinion.
September 24th, 2018
Klavious

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Originally Posted by SylentEcho

Interesting. I'm curious as to how you play the game. What TH are you and what league are you in? Also, do you make strong/costly armies and have trouble 'nexting', like people like myself and others do?

I'm currently a TH12 about 4 months from fully maxing everything again.
I've been playing for 4 years now and have been up and down every trophy range from Silver to Legends. Though since TH12 dropped I've been "mostly in champs an Titans"
I tend to raid with pretty strong armies these days.
In the past I've done everything from sniping collectors with partial goblin armies all the way to crush in bases in Legends with basically full war armies and every thing in between.

Lately I've been in champs/titans for the following reason -
Good loot with minimal nexting
Good league bonus
Few to no clouds
September 24th, 2018
Somethingnotalreadypicked

If they implement BB style attacks into the main village I'd quit inside of a week
September 24th, 2018
Phoenix1027

Builder base loot system is the worst. If that's how main village functioned I'd definitely quit.
September 25th, 2018
mattyboo1

I’m sorry, this is not a good idea. I don’t think I’d be able to continue playing if this happened
September 25th, 2018
Ajax

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Originally Posted by SylentEcho

Interesting. I'm curious as to how you play the game. What TH are you and what league are you in? Also, do you make strong/costly armies and have trouble 'nexting', like people like myself and others do?

I will answer this from my POV. I have 5 accounts, 1 TH7 (only built for clan games, hardly touch it otherwise)), 1 TH9, 1TH10, 1 TH11 1 TH12.

The TH10 is still mainly barching in low leagues, the TH9 is moving up a bit and using babyloon, the TH11 was barching until recently, but is currently pushing upwards using heavy armies (now in Champs 2), the TH12 is in Titans 2, using heavy armies.

None of my accounts have ever had any issue with "nexting". I'm not sure what trouble you are talking about here, unless it is clouds. At any given time, I will be playing fully actively on anything from 2-4 of those accounts, doing 10-15 attacks on each per day..

I would be one of those who would quit if suddenly limited to 3 per day.

In the Q&A, Darian was talking about a new play system for legends only, with a possibility of limiting them to 15-20 attacks per day so that those sharing accounts to be on 24/7 wouldn't have an advantage. That does seem a reasonable sort of limit, particularly since it would only be applied where clouds currently don't let you get that many in anyhow.

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I see where you're coming from about BB being annoying, but what about refilling that meter with gems, like I'd mentioned?

In some ways that would be even worse, as many would see it as a "money grab". I don't think it would m,ake much difference to the numbers who would quit.
September 25th, 2018
Ajax

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Originally Posted by SylentEcho

maybe mine aren't too great and that's just from the top of my head, but there's seriously a problem, when people have been quitting or playing way less since the last year or so.

What makes you believe that is the case?

There are still 10s of millions of people playing the game every day.

It is undoubtedly being played a bit less than it was at one point, but that is inevitable. It is still likely to have several years of life left in it yet.

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I build a Bow-Witch army, so I need some good return for it. Other times, when I raid with a Elixir-heavy army, I need good return too. I fluctuate between Champ 1 and 2. Don't really want to go higher at the moment, because nexting becomes more of an issue the higher I go up, it seems.

It isn't much of an issue in Titans, except early in a clan games - though even then it is rare I wait more than 5 minutes (and that is in top of titans 2/ bottom of Titans 1. Outside of clan games, it is rarely more then a minute.

And even raiding with electro drags at over half a million lix, it is rare I fail to make a profit by the time win bonus is taken into account. And rare I need to next more than 3-4 times to make that profit. As for gold and dark, I can't use it fast enough. Both are usually overflowing before I have a builder/lab free.

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So, maybe the Heroes regenerating for a long time aren't an issue, maybe the loot isn't an issue, but the 'nexting' clearly is, and I'm not the only guy complaining about that. Barring all the issues with BB, don't you just love it, when you're just paired up instantly?

We need to get paired up fast against a DE-heavy base, if we're carrying a DE-Heavy army and likewise for Elixir, in my opinion.

Even in Titans, it is plenty quick enough for me. The hero regeneration/army cook times are long enough that I have never yet come back from a raid with them already done, except when the army was mostly cooked and the heroes didn't take much damage.
September 25th, 2018
George1971
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Originally Posted by SylentEcho

Guys, I honestly love this game, so don't get me wrong. I've been playing this game since 2013, but the last year or so, I've been very off and on.

I know SO many players have quit. I hate to see players go away and get tired of the never-ending grind that is currently on the Home Village of COC.

The loot system in the Builder Base was a step in the right direction and needs to happen on the main village.

The main problems everyone faces:

Unlimited loot and attacks in a day, leads to a tedious grind
Heroes take too long to heal
and here's the worst part - NEXTING! This gets very frustrating and has led many to quit. It takes a good amount time to train up a decent army with heroes, then you might spend 20-30 minutes 'nexting' if you're unlucky.

This holds true for most people, but more so 'end game' players need a little bit of respite and a more relaxed way to get loot and play.

Heck, I don't mind if we're limited to just 3 attacks like the Builder Base, but can use gems to get another shot. I'd be happy to start buying gems again just to get loot for walls and stuff.

What do you guys think?
I don't think much of this is true at all, except for the nexting-clouds problem at high leagues.

Nexting-clouds. You pick up a game to play, and you can't play. Obviously a problem.

> Unlimited loot and attacks in a day, leads to a tedious grind

I can't work out what you mean. The ability to do many attacks and get a lot of loot is the opposite of "tedious grind". With the training potion, I can go from no resources to max resources pretty quick, too quick if anything. Remember when pekkas took 45 minutes to train?

> Heroes take too long to heal

Try boosting them. Try the training potion. When playing back-to-back games, I play every second multiplay battle without heroes and clan castle. It works great at all levels except for cloud issues.

> NEXTING! This gets very frustrating and has led many to quit. It takes a good amount time to train up a decent army with heroes, then you might spend 20-30 minutes 'nexting' if you're unlucky.

Agree. The time depends very much on league. Any longer than 1 minute and I go to another. Stay below titans.
September 30th, 2018
Tiny14

They need new collector levels is the real problem. Raiding brings in the loot for upgrades, but collectors get you off 0 once you do the upgrade
September 30th, 2018
2222

If playing the game, the part where you attack other bases and steal their loot, is a “grind” then you won’t like this game. That is not a grind to me, that is playing the game. I had fun playing this game before war existed and I didn’t trophy push. All I did was that grind you refer to and I still enjoyed it.

As for nesting, if you are nesting too much you need to change trophy leagues.