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With all those max bases I suspect there is only a small chance of a very even match with your next search. If you match another clan with the same hall levels as you, you have a big advantage since your halls are max and their halls mostly likely won’t be. The other likely match is the other clan has a couple higher halls than you, which puts you at a disadvantage.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
And how well did that work on your CCs that contained all arch followed by a BD?Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
Did you identify during prep day whether they were lavaspammers or miner spammers (or bowlers spammers if you have few TH9s)? Did you have every xbow and skellie trap in the clan set to air or ground to counter their preferred attack? It's a bit harder if the clan uses a mix, but many don't.
Do you move black air mines between anti healer (for sensible clans) and anti-lavaspam (for spamming peasant clans) positions each war? Do you move spring traps between anti-hog positions (pathed between guns) and anti-miner positions (pathed between buildings) each war? Do you move skellie traps between anti-hog (well away from where kill squad might get them) and anti-miner (clustered where the highest DPS is, regardless of proximity to KS targets)?
Do you check the quality of your base layouts against idiot spam attacks? Many of the times I've had to tell clan-mates to change base or been benched it's been a base borrowed from CWL that they've been using. Those bases are designed to defend certain sorts of attack. Historically some of them have performed awfully against spam attacks. Do you check the lurability of a base against CC hogs or CC loons? Most league bases are compact enough to be an easy lure with a heavy enough lure - but especially at TH11+ you can make it near impossible.
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Originally Posted by ReedsburgRebel
I'm not a great believer in the result justifying the match, but looking at the result for a moment... your clan wasted 2 max attacks (the MM probably assumed your guy would potion); and you had 2 good attacks that came up frustratingly short. That sounds like you were desperately close to winning it. If a clan loses because it was one of those days that key attacks are coming up short at 95% or 98% and not quite creeping over the line, that's hardly a MM issue. Maybe they had a bigger advantage and threw that away; but just looking at this info, it hardly seems like you were overwhelmed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReedsburgRebel
There's also an issue with the line-ups. Although the enemy has an obviously sand-bagged 5/0/0/5 line-up, your line-up is also pretty odd. I'm not sure with 4/1/1/4 what you are expecting to match? Most clans have the bulk of their bases in the middle of the line-up - or maybe at the bottom. No matter how smart the MM is, I can well imagine this match was the closest clan that was searching
2 very good posts from Onyx. I am well impressed.
I'm guilty of this on my mini, an early (tweaked) TH10 with added Cannon/Archer Tower/Traps. It often puts up a good fight, but has been spammed into obliteration against the 'put all your troops down in the shortest possible time attackers".XDQuote:
Originally Posted by OnyxDS
This is why 20+ archers with a BD chaser has always been a good anti-engineer cc loadout. The long pause in the replay after the pull fail is priceless.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
I find that if you are going to have TH12s in any lineup they need to have value to war, either they can defend really well and be good attackers or defend well and be really good attackers.Quote:
Originally Posted by MisterOz
There is value in having good defense but a clan like the one you faced tends to fail in the end because they rush rush rush but have glaring holes in their defense. In a war I just fought I had a 6 pack on 2 TH12s with my max 11 and I've seen TH12s so weak they can be taken by TH9s and 10s so TH disparity doesn't really mean alot.
Well this has been a good discussion many fine points made by all. I’ve been paying attention and its finally become clear in my mind war is getting more frustrating again by the week. First off war for us is starting to feel exactly like it did before the matchmaking “fix”. The common denominator is we have 4-5 maxish th12s that like to play and like to war. When th12 came out we were weak there like everyone else. Wars seemed to be even and fair mostly. As we get stronger its become very appparent that having a big maxed base is still a huge disadvantage even as an anchor. The reason is they cant defend the 2 star even from 50-50-20 its easy to beat them.
Because we have those bases and they getting stronger every war the middle and bottom of our lineup starts getting heavily outmatched more and more every war just like the old days. The enemy is getting more and more bigger this than us and they all start out dip attacking us to death. They have the numbers to do it and make it look easy because it is. Our guys need to make great attacks to win the enemy just has to make average to easy ones.
I know if we took out half the big guys we would get easy wars where everyone was competitive. My beef is why should we have to do that?? Those are our best most loyal clashers. Makes no sense to me and why I get ornery.
Bottom line if your a maxed guy the matchmaker still punishes you and your clan. The “fix” has kinda been reverted. It’s not as obvious now but in the end many wars you have no chance to win.
I think the reason many dont see this is they have bases in a multude of development. In our wars there’s not a single chance to attack up a townhall and 3 star. All bases are pushing max for th level or they dont war. So when you get out townhalled by 1 or 2 its a killer.
Thats why I’m frustrated and its getting worse.
edit loyal clashers not sure about loyal flashers but could be lol
I seen the supercell way the said we want you to experience a strong emotional response??? You kidding I know it makes $$ but zeez
Its like beating you down to gem. You dont think they control the matchup wake up lol