Even empty gold and elixir storages don't help, th8s get creamed for DE too. Im pouring gold into walls now so my last three defenses against huge th9 armies netted the attackers less than 100k in gold each. My DE was even zapped for the first time. I'm not even going to try to upgrade my DE troops before th9. If I can even earn the 3mil it will take to upgrade.
im also a MAXED TH8, best raider/looter in my clan and im struggling my ♥♥♥ off the last few days... didnt know about the update till last night... i have been so confused thinking the game dynamics have changed because there are more active holiday players... anyway, i spend 180k yesterday looking for a decent battle... pre update i was looting and average of 250k per battle, now its more like 100kQuote:
Originally Posted by Adamsaking
the game is broken!! FIX IT!!
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Originally Posted by win
What's this gotta do with the topic?
forgive me for being obtuse but i think my powers of analysis has diminished..
in a nutshell - what are the pros and cons of the new looting system and how is it different from the old (?) system that we have.
:)
Been farming at th9 for 170-200k avg per attack gold wise and after update i've been only seeing under 150k. Maybe like every 50 next i'll see a th10 with lvl 4 crossbows and inferno towers and that's only time i see over 200k...
:mad: guess i'll move up trophies and see if anything is better but everyone in my clan is saying same thing loot was supposed to be MORE but now it seems like it's way way harder to find loot *we'll see in a few days as some updates take a few days to kick in because people spent on things*
I don't think the loot is going to get better, 4 days since update is more than enough time to build up the percentage difference between old and new loot caps, new loot system is more likely to reduce loot than increase it.
Good idea!Quote:
Originally Posted by Mwolsey
last night i spent almost 100k gold searching a good loot base to attack and i got 160k gold from 3 starred it, when i logged off i got raided and lost 'bout 200k gold and 300k elixir to TH10 player. (my TH is 9)
this system is totally for players who can dedicate to the game a lot, and tortures players who cant play all the time like me.
even while im typing this reply, the notification just told me my village got raided :P naahh
I think it was a mistake to remove loot bonus for attacking higher town halls. Yes, the caps were raised but to get to cap it requires nearly full storages, which people rarely have. This changed the direction of raiding towards praying on the weak, raiding THs below the level of your own. There's no real incentive to attack higher THs as there's a much lower chance of getting into the base. As a TH8, I'm now raiding mostly those poor TH7s and with my casual gaming, I have 2 out of 4 workers free as I can't save quickly enough for my next cheapest upgrade (2.2 mil gold).
As I don't have time to play for hours at a time, the only solution for me now is to play less to ride out the shield. But if a game requires you to play less to enjoy it, what's the reason to play at all? I might as well focus on upgrading my village in Samurai Siege.
ok I've been patient but the loot is absolutely terrible (putting it mildly) since update, supercell you better fix this soon or there'll be a mass exodus.
I don't know what the answer is or what has been done to make such a dramatic impact to the loot, to be honest I don't care and I'm not interested in reading about formulas or looking at graphs (not to say op's data and effort is not appreciated), COC is a game for phones and as such it should be there for enjoyment whenever you have 5 free minutes, fix this supercell quickly
Im extremely unhappy with the new "improved" loot system. As a maxed th8. Ive lost 800k Coin in one day. i break my shields because i want to attack. Now i just get wiped out by th9 and revenge is sometimes tough. Very tired of it. I would probably quit playing if it werent for my co-workers in my clan. I no longer find 200k+ bases to raid. Now i will just milk shields and see what happens. I will never spend another $ on this game.
I don't know what it is that has happened, but I notice that I am clicking longer and longer nowadays to find any decent loots. To the point its getting tiresome. If its not the new loot system, then it is something else... Maybe I am just wearing out on the game after over a year of playing, but it used to be easier to just clash and think I am not only burning my resources. Now I can attack less often, as only place to get loot is on high trophies.
Very nice post from OP.
The new loot system does not improve loot for most of players that saving resources for upgrades (you could loot more but lose more as you save more). The only exception is you spend all the loots and not saving it (loot more and not lose more, ie. gold on walls)
The fact that people need to search on average lot more than the old loot system, combined the fact that SC removing inactive base from game searching (concluded by hundreds of post) meaning less resource in the game, was the cause why people struggle with new loot system.
Reduced the cost of search by 50% and double the time to become an inactive base.
Obviously it's different for different level of players, but it's ironic how the "intent" of the new changes appears to have had the complete opposite effect for the mid level TH's.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingleo10
I remember when I read the original notes on the loot change I thought to myself. How exactly is allowing people to loot MORE of my resources going to help me save for upgrades? lol
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Originally Posted by Shaamu
It's the effect of the massively reduced loot %. If it were put back to the original 25% (but the new cap retained) we would all have to click much much less.
Worst update ever.
Wasn't the original ratio 20%? or did I do wrong in that calculation?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akali
If you are active this new system is awesome stole over 15 million last nite and yes was raided when i logged off they took 300k big deal i will give 700k to win 15 million any day but if you are farming you need to set your base up so they win at least 40 % so you get a shield when they raid you for loot.
15 million in one night?!? Really??? Is that just gold or gold and elixir combined. Even still, that is more loot than I have ever gotten in a session of raiding. Admittedly I am not a good raider, but I couldn't get that much in 15 hours of raiding, never mind one night.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythonjeff
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Originally Posted by deifieduandi
No, it was 25%. They then reduced it to 20% a few months ago. Now, of course they reduced it again.
Oh, yes, I recall that update. it didn't give me too much concern back then though as the cap has not changed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akali
Thank you the post .
Why is this unstickied?
Hmmm...it shows 188 mil looted for your gold grab, and you expect people to believe you looted 15 mil last night?Quote:
Originally Posted by Pythonjeff
P.S. Nice purple walls. :rolleyes:
It is funny how the new system discourages attacking higher level TH.
let's say:
TH7 attacks 4 other TH, each having 1 mln. gold (most common scenario)
TH level of defender max. loot (1 mln.gold in storages) 7 150 8 140 9 115 10 100
I mean, hello??!? The higher TH i attack, the less i can get?
Did you even do some basic math before making the change in loot?
Nice powerfull topic sent this to the community manager steve
he wants us to wait and struggle for a week bcuz of the update the zombies came alive we need to wait till they leave and the loot recovers.
ps 4th builder is sleeping for 3 days now FFS! Fix this bull♥♥♥♥!!!
Gee, this post is like lots of typical academia papers:well organized article, lots of well organized plots, backed by realtor led experiment, looks great and lots of work, but after thinking through you found no valuable new information. Do you work in the academia world?
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Originally Posted by deifieduandi
You do note that in the table it is not for a base holding one million in total, but one million in each storage. As you know th7 has two storages, th8 three and th9-10 has four. Granted it has to be pretty bad th9-10 base for a th7 to take all four storages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eka
Last time I was here a day or so ago there was 200+ pages of complaints..where'd those go?
This morning I woke up. Raided once by a th10. I had 4.6 mill in gold. He had an available 150k-ish. He hit 59% & took 125k gold. I used an army qued another. Browsed Facebook for 2 mins & logged back on to myself being raped by a th9 losing 294k gold. So in 2 raids I lost a "new" days worth of farming.
I'm th8 maxxed except walls. I am having to hit 80-100k targets. 4x's the rate to get just a 1/4 of what I was getting before the update.
I am a clasher through & through. Now instead of a giant/healer army i use barbs & archers to attack 4 times an hour. When I do run across a high loot th9 or 10 I dont have the 45 min army it'd take to get the loot.
Overall I'd say, isn't it time to secretly use a maintenance break to fix this then pretend like your update worked?
OH YES CONGATULATIONS!!! I ha to boost my elixir mines this morning because I only have 5,000 elixir! Not even enough for 2 giants LOL. I went to sleep with 3/400k elixir after i upgraded my de drill. After few very unsuccessful a raids & spell costs I'm broke. Good thing i have an army ready now to farm for elixir 😳
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Originally Posted by Bakhoumgeorge
Probably it has to do with deifieduandi ADDING thoughts of other people (which reflects the negatives of the current loot system)
Yup, I am in the exact same situation. TH 8 and almost maxed exept walls and for me, Archer Towers. I use BAM all the time, exept first thing in the morning when I've used the nightime long training troopsQuote:
Originally Posted by Adamsaking
Anyhow, if you are having to hit 80-100K targets, you are doing something wrong, because I hit 100-150K targets 80% of the time and 150K-200K targets 20% of the time. so every 5 hits, I get more than 150K.
So yeah, adjust something in your strategy, it should work better.
80-100k I'm getting usually using half my army. Hitting mines & outside storages. I'm going fr faster recoup time on troops so i can stay interested & online long enough not to lose 4 raids worth in on raid from a th10.
The 200k targets I'm seeing would require 3 spells. Adding 77k elixir onto the deal. I'm trying everything. Mostly trying to use the least amount to get te most. I was using BAM but now i can't really get enoigh de to be comfortable.
It seems the bases either have gold, elixir, or de. Not all 3 or even 2 so each day I farm for something different. I am bankrupt on elixir at the moment. Have k ride out a shield until I get of work.
I will still have my gold saved for my 2 xbows for Christmas. Hoping i can get the lab upgrade, dark barracks, & arher queen in 7 days when the th9 finishes.
The biggest problem is just that a game which already consumed my life has begun to consume it even more. I started castle clash last week but it's not the same.
I've had no problems with Elexir, but of course, using BAM, why would I really, it's dirt cheap. So I use spells and cook dragons for clanmates while using BAM... Elexir simply isn't a problem, it's a by-product of me looting gold. I astonished you have Elexir problems, especially at TH 8, because there are almost no builds that require Elexir (exept in the lab), compared to the builds that require gold.
I don't want to tell you what to do, but using BAM will significantly help with Elexir because it's so cheap.
Now my real problem is DE, kinda like you. I get up to 15-16K DE in storage and people raid me for 800 DE. it's hard to make that up in Gold III league and I can't go up because BAM won't work and cook time will need to be increased, diminishing my efficiency globally.
As it turns out, I can't save enough DE for anything, it seems impossible for me to get to 20K for my next upgrades. I might wait and hunt for DE later when all my stuff is done.
One thing that has occurred to me is how my play style is shifting to Th1-6 behaviors.
You see in those TH levels their is almost no advantage to attacking a similar Th level that is mid-late in development. The profit compared to throwing cheap units at a TH 1 level lower than you simply makes that more desirable. As you get to late TH development and elixir upgrades are done you may shift to heavier hitting armies to tackle your own TH level or an underdeveloped one above you.
During these stages the general advice is to dump gold and elixir as you get it saved up. You have little hope of defending the loot once you've reach storage capacity. Someone will trample you.
Compare this to the new Th8-9 experience (I won't speak for 10 and I am leaving Th7 because I am unsure to what degree they are affected)
A Th8 is meat to Th9 and a Th9 is basically meat (but not as much) to a Th10. So zone where defense will protect your loot somewhat reliably is narrowed. A Th9 has some ability to protect their loot due to 4 storages and the lack of farming troops for a Th10 - but with the increased profits to be made a Th9 sitting at the loot cap has a fairly good chance of being decimated. Not only that, its about impossible to keep more than 2 storages (of each type) safe from a good attacker
What is the big difference though? Well a Th 7 can produce about 210K of each resource through collectors and mines. Thus their is some capacity not go into the red because of a devastating loss. Heck on my second account I am a Th5 with nearly maxed collectors and I can get smashed left and right. Log on, collect my loot and still have enough to upgrade. I often don't bother to attack anyone.
Right now a Th8 and above has no means of providing themselves a cushion. Which often feeds all the players who don't bother to have that cushion and just raid. Meaning casual raiding is near impossible..... (logging in, doing 2 attacks - logging off)
Personally I don't want to drive these players away because they generate a huge amount of the loot that changes hands with the "hardcore" farmers who never bother to upgrade their mines and collectors.
Honestly, I think we just need to go back to the old loot system. It's harder to find quality bases with this system, and many people (including my friends) are giving negative comments and or quitting. I never saw anything wrong with the old system. Why change something when it's accepted and works perfectly fine.
I never been this mad before.
What will you do when you at TH10, found or revenge against TH9 with 300k++ resource ?? You know the answer.
I'm still on TH9 planning on maxing my defense and wall. Just in about 3,5 mill, just want to up a Tesla to lvl 7. A minute logoff, BOOM, someone raid me and got 300k++ Gold. What am I suppose to do ? Revenge ? How on earth would a TH9 troops attack a full defense TH 10????????
since Inferno tower cause no heal effect. I MUST accept the condition. FFS. I am so Mad. FIX THIS !
Well I'm a 75% maxed th9 and it's certainly not easier for th9s, I can assure you. Only th10s seem to be the winners post this silly update. The concept is actually good but the execution poor. The is far less loot available post update and at the minute I'm just dumping every 1m I get into walls. Sorry but no way I'm risking 350k loot to a th10 while saving for a 5m upgrade. Hoping sc will fix this but suspect not.
Big question is not how mich you might lose, but how much can you raid yourself. If you risk losing 350K you just need to raid 500+K at least when you break your shield. As a th8 I keep getting raided by th7-9 and even some th10's but those are quite rare. Also while I do get steamrolled, this is not the case always. Still plenty of bad raiders out there that will do their best, but fail to take any real loot while giving me a shield.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hangar18
Yeah, problem is I'm only getting on avg 75k per raid. Sure I still get the odd 200-250, but on avg it's only 75 to maybe 100k at most. Pre update I'd be getting on avg 200 with a min of 150. Oh how times have changed....
This is the only quality thread regarding new loot system. Everyone should read the op carefully and derive a new or revised tactic based on it, instead of whining or saying put your TH outside sh.t.
TH 8 - To win any reasonable attack > 80k takes 2/3 spells and most of my army costing a total of 90-100k. To get my spells back takes 30min after the 1st attack and 60min thereafter. On an iPad 1, after the attack, i either switch to another app or it turns off automatically within 2 min, so I am logged out and ready for being attacked. Over a full day of gaming, I am now losing > 300k elixer and after deducting the cost of the army, I can increase my gold BUT my elixer is down by a minimum of 300K. This assumes I can find >100k of elixer and win it on each attack.
The ONLY way to play is to continuously spend money on Gems. If this is what they want, the game will fail. Some claim that I can change tactics, please tell me how?
I haven't read all 24 pages of posts, so sorry if this is redundant. But, my own experience is this accomplishes exactly the opposite of helping players apsave for the more expensive upgrades.
When my loot approaches or exceeds the 400k level in gold, I get raided a lot. Not surprising. But, what's hurting me is my defenses are generally good enough to win these battles, so I don't get shielded. I've logged and come back in less than 2 hours down over 600k gold withou being shielded. The attackers are just poaching whatever gold they can. Btw, my TH is sitting outside my walls, but they ignore it of course as they're raiding for resources.
The argument I can raid this back doesn't really hold up as I need spells to attack these bases at higher levels with the fat resources. So, my regen time may be only an hour, but is often 2 hours plus (as much as 3 if I use all my spells). During this time, I can lose a lot more resouces than I can possibly gain from my 1 raid.
I'll deal with whatever system they have in place. But, this change doesn't come close to meeting their "stated" goals for making the change. I'm cynical and suspect there are other motivations.
You would only be risking 315k max to a TH10 (as a TH9), as his loot penalty is 10% (90% take). This is compared to 180k max with the old loot system, so between shields, you need to raid 135k more than pre-update to account for the increased TH10 grab.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hangar18
I think the mods should repost deifienduandi's analysis in a closed, stickied thread. It is a very solid graphical representation of the new system, and helpful to all.
You sir, do not do the OP any justice. No valuable new information? The intent wasn't to provide new information but to clarify, summarize, and present the results in a format which is easy for all to understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wenyan