A comparison between the old and the new loot system: Influence on TH 7 - TH10

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Originally Posted by Coldfury

I'm not sure if its the loot bonus nerf effecting collectors/mines or what, but the reality of this upgrade is I'm pretty much stuck in the mud and have no ability to gain resources. I'm going to try and trophy up to see if I'm just in a bad range now with the upgrades.

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I have the same issue and agree. I'm at TH lvl 8 and have only lost elixer since the update yesterday. Today I had $1.5 million in storage, was raided by a TH lvl 9, and he had 190k available, or 12.5% to take, and got most of it. I checked his village out prior to getting revenge, and he had 4.4 million elixer in his storage tanks, but only 357k, or 8% was available to me. So the cap coupled with the lack of a bonus for "raiding up" puts us TH lvl eights at a major disadvantage.

Thumbs down big time on this update.

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Originally Posted by ClanDestiny

I have the same issue and agree. I'm at TH lvl 8 and have only lost elixer since the update yesterday. Today I had $1.5 million in storage, was raided by a TH lvl 9, and he had 190k available, or 12.5% to take, and got most of it. I checked his village out prior to getting revenge, and he had 4.4 million elixer in his storage tanks, but only 357k, or 8% was available to me. So the cap coupled with the lack of a bonus for "raiding up" puts us TH lvl eights at a major disadvantage.

Thumbs down big time on this update.

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Raid down instead and attack town hall 7s.
Don't worry though, it's not just you. I can lose like 200k when people get to just two of my four storages.

After playing for a year I'm just about to break level 100. My TH9 base is almost maxed out and I am considering jumping to TH10. After reading the update description, with more power to Infernos, I think it is necessary to finally grab a few million gold and make the jump! Everything sounds good... And then I go to farm... And click next... And click next... And click next... After spending 70,000 gold clicking next in gold league 1, I realize supercell has done something very cruel to us for the holidays. Finding a 200k gold hit is almost impossible. 100k hits are about as good as it gets now. And if I upgrade TH, I have all those high level defense upgrades to start on... And they are going to take so long that I am going to lose interest in this game. I am so bummed out. Was gonna buy a few gems for Christmas, but now I will wait until farming gets better instead of worse. I hope everyone else does the same. I seldom lose any resources because I run a farming base, so every hit is on my TH outside the walls for a couple thousand of each, so no issue losing res. The issue is farming twice as many times for half the goodies.

It might just be time to turn Clan Leader over to one of my best elders.

Sure wish the update would have added Vice Leader and a few High Elder positions in clan.

Seriously considering throwing in the towel.

Oh, thanks for the Santa bomb that cant even one shot level 4 archers. useless.

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Originally Posted by YoN

And what about the 350k/350/1000 base found on the fifth click?

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With LVL 5 troops? yeah, that's gonna happen. :)

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Originally Posted by YoN

And what about the 350k/350/1000 base found on the fifth click?

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You see his army? If you can get that loot with THAT army....you sir are a god at the game.....

I wouldn't train such an army in the first place. With normal TH 8 army it's perfectly doable to take 2 out of 3 gold storages and DE.

Here's the biggest problem with the new system:

Attacker/defender TH level	7	8	9	10
7	250	300	350	400
8	225	300	350	400
9	125	270	350	400
10	62.5	150	315	400

Notice the incentive for TH9 attacker to raid TH8 defenders. TH9 attackers get 116% more loot from TH8 defenders, compared to TH7 defenders. When evaluating whether to attack the TH9 or TH8 defender, the difference the TH9 attacker sees is only 29%. It's an even smaller increase for attacking TH10.

So why would a TH9 attacker attack anything other than a TH8 player? TH8 defenders offer the easiest targets for the fastest loot for TH9 attackers.

On the other hand, the TH8 attacker gets nowhere near the % jump in loot from lower level players, and instead only sees a 50k increase per level.

From my perspective, it seems like TH8 players are the ones who are really getting hurt in this new loot system.

I think a better fix to all of this would be to increase the league victory rewards. The current bonus for the gold league is so small that it is negligible, yet this is where a majority of TH7 and TH8 players seem to hang out. The bonus should at least address the difference in loot offered to higher level attackers which is:

TH9 v TH8 = 270k
TH8 v TH7 = 250k

Then the primary league reward for TH8 players should be at least 20k or higher to address the loot lost to getting raided by higher level TH players.

This solution is also more in the spirit of the game, which encourages attacking.

Finally, it might be incumbent upon Supercell to consider evaluating the cost of upgrades. When the cost of a single attack is greater than the loot you gain and risk (to a subsequent attack), the relative price of upgrades climbs drastically. Thus. reducing the price of these upgrades would help to balance the loot system.

I read an article a few days ago that said Supercell is bringing in a million dollars a day on Clans and some farm game they run. So I guess a million a day ins't enough, so they tweak the loot payout and try to squeeze their customers for more cash. Three of us in my family play this game, and spend a little here and there. That's about to go to zero playing and zero spending. Supercell needs to correct this latest "tweak" and make things right.

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Originally Posted by runnerpadilla

Here's the biggest problem with the new system:

Attacker/defender TH level	7	8	9	10
7	250	300	350	400
8	225	300	350	400
9	125	270	350	400
10	62.5	150	315	400

Notice the incentive for TH9 attacker to raid TH8 defenders. TH9 attackers get 116% more loot from TH8 defenders, compared to TH7 defenders. When evaluating whether to attack the TH9 or TH8 defender, the difference the TH9 attacker sees is only 29%. It's an even smaller increase for attacking TH10.

So why would a TH9 attacker attack anything other than a TH8 player? TH8 defenders offer the easiest targets for the fastest loot for TH9 attackers.

On the other hand, the TH8 attacker gets nowhere near the % jump in loot from lower level players, and instead only sees a 50k increase per level.

From my perspective, it seems like TH8 players are the ones who are really getting hurt in this new loot system.

I think a better fix to all of this would be to increase the league victory rewards. The current bonus for the gold league is so small that it is negligible, yet this is where a majority of TH7 and TH8 players seem to hang out. The bonus should at least address the difference in loot offered to higher level attackers which is:

TH9 v TH8 = 270k
TH8 v TH7 = 250k

Then the primary league reward for TH8 players should be at least 20k or higher to address the loot lost to getting raided by higher level TH players.

This solution is also more in the spirit of the game, which encourages attacking.

Finally, it might be incumbent upon Supercell to consider evaluating the cost of upgrades. When the cost of a single attack is greater than the loot you gain and risk (to a subsequent attack), the relative price of upgrades climbs drastically. Thus. reducing the price of these upgrades would help to balance the loot system.

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It should also be noted that to get that loot the storages have to be pretty full and most townhall 7s aren't going to be holding as much loot at one time because their upgrades aren't as much.

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Originally Posted by skyblade6762

It should also be noted that to get that loot the storages have to be pretty full and most townhall 7s aren't going to be holding as much loot at one time because their upgrades aren't as much.

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Yeah, the new loot system is basically based on the belief that everyone maxes out and fills up their storages, which really isn't true. Most people are not saving up for huge upgrades and holding 5 mil of each.