Folks,
This should come as no surprise to anyone but Supercell is not a non-profit! These changes are designed to force folks to buy gems to get upgrades faster because now it will be harder to save up since raids will take more from the rich...I guess Supercell designers are democrats!.....LOL
Dear OP and Clashers,
To start, i love your post, well done on it. I like the whole idea of it, but it does prove, that gaining loot, is going to be harder as a whole, and being raided by people above you is going to be a lot more brutal, especially when you are going for the more expensive raids. (Here i state raids, i mean upgrades sorry)
I borrowed your table, if it works, im going to change the figures, then explain them, see what you, and most people think.
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This is an altered table from the OP. (thanks for the table :p)
Then we can get the below table for the rough max loot (X1000)
Defender TH level.
Attacker/defender TH level 7 8 9 10 7 300 300 300 300 8 200 300 300 300 9 100 200 300 300 10 50 100 200 300
The TH levels on the side, are Attacker TH levels.
Changes Explained.
As most can tell right away, i have upped the figures, then capped them. With these figures, using the old system, we can revert to the old system, and buff the bas figure from 200k/1m max, to 300k. Why? Most people, especially the ones at higher levels, would like a chance to earn more than 200k, and i respect that. That being said, why cant we give everyone that chance? I have upped the base loot to 300k as long as those who you attack at the same level TH as the defender. Once you attack someone that is LOWER TH than yourself, you immediately lose 50%. This does sound kind of harsh, and it is. But is still an improvement to what this amount was previously. 20k to be precise, hey, at least it will pay for that spell you have used. After 2 TH level differences, it is much the same as it was previously, after all who wants to be facerolled by someone 2 TH's higher, and looting just as much as others!
Another thing that is plain from the get go, is i have capped off the amount of loot. Why, i really dont know, 300k is decent loot without taking into account collectors. If someone actually was a lower TH and wanted to attack someone that was higher level than themselves, surely 300k loot would be good enough, it is still a buff from the 220k they would have recieved previously. And also, this is just as an example. If it were to go ahead, it could be changed.
Thanks those who do read this, and i hope you guys give a lot of voice to this. Please do, it will give those who want more resources at higher levels what they want, and also those who are lower TH levels to get some pride back, knowing we can TRULY save more and gain gold faster with a 300k limit instead of 200k.
Riad.
This is 100% accurate, my storage are 75% full but I can't find loot so I keep riding out my shields because there is way more to lose than to gain.
I am unable to find any loot currently, last night I clicked next village for a half an hour.
http://forum.supercell.net/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by maggiep0tat0 http://forum.supercell.net/images/bu...post-right.png
Only if you are an active player who can raid at long stretches.
Casual players (like me - full disclosure), who currently can only afford to raid-logoff-raid-logoff, may end up playing less & riding more shields.
So, if you can't raid the collectors of people who are online,
and you can't raid the people who ride their shields,
who are you going to raid then?
The problem here is clearly that the system is designed towards high storage amounts. But that is not the case because people spend their loot as much as possible, and then sit in Shield when they need to gain more. So most people actually are sitting in the 0-2M storage, where the amount of loot is much, much lower.
That wouldn't be a big deal if it didn't cost well more than 100k to muster a good attack against someone of a similar TH level. At my level, it is 20 Giants x 2000 Elixir = 40k E, 6 bombs x 2500 E = 15k E, 2 Healer x 6000 E = 12k E, (1-2 Dragons potentially, at 20-40k E), plus extras amounting to another 10k E. Add on three spells which is 60-70k E. You can very easily see that spending 100-150k E is easy, and it is necessary to break through defenses because of the horrible, horrible pathing system ("Oh look, that is the closest thing to me and I am getting healed if I follow the rest of my group towards that thing but NOOOOOO, I want to go get killed over THERE.").
So if someone has 1M resources stored, then 150k resources are available. That is blown in the attack. On top of that, those resources are split between gold + elixir. So while my gold may go up, I am at a net loss of elixir. That means that the best way to gain elixir is to f*ing sit on my butt and let my pumps generate it. No way am I going to do that.
If the goal of this game is to have fun attacking people (and the time taken to upgrade things is certainly enough to slow the game down so that people have fun attacking), then Supercell needs to STOP making resources so damn hard to get. Make pumps produce significantly more. Make the Goblin Raids (PvE) doable once per day for half the original resources. Do something where people can get the resources that they need to fight against other people without significantly worrying about their own losses.
That is what makes the game fun. Not f*ing grinding for resources.
The way I see it, the principle of the new loot system was great where you can steal more from players who have more, however the ironic complication in this system is that those who have the amounts of loot where the new update comes into play as expressed in the graphs, are also the players who are most active - and therefore are less likely to be attacked. Then you have those with high amounts of loot riding a shield. And then there is the majority of players who are fairly inactive/regularly active who do not have the time to raid enough loot together-, nor do they possess enough loot at a given moment for others to be attractive enough to raid. Effectively slowing down the total exchange in resources.
The loot cap being high is ok. The problem is the ridiculously low %.
It was fun while it lasted im quitting!! just started th 9 had 2 mill plus elixir yesterday before update today I have 1.3 mill and I'm active.. Will check in in a few months to see what's going on hopefully someone will run into my base and get some loot bye coc. Ima miss it.
Idk guys but I cant even gain what I need now cause of the change....im a fairly new TH 7 and im trying to get my dark barracks....its impossible now cause what I spend on troops is what I earn now....sometimes I use all my troops to get only 50k of each....to when I was getting almost over 300K of both before the update.
I run into some that have 400K total but they are TH 9 or a almost maxed TH 8
Im a farmer and this makes me want to max my pumps and gold mines and sit on shields and just let the pumps and mines do the work....that means im not gonna play as much
OK, I certainly understand the issue that's trying to be addressed and it "seems" to make sense, but in reality it's made things a lot harder for me since the update.
I'm a TH8 with mostly LVL 5 troops and I've been consistently farming between 500k - 1M gold per hour and slightly less elixir hitting the 1100-1300 trophy range. It would typically take me a 5-10 bases before I would find one that's relatively easy to hit with 200k+ available Gold/Elixir.
Since the upgrade I have yet to see a base over 200k of either resource and it usually takes me a good 20-30 bases to even find one with 100k of one resource.
The whole reason I'm on the forum now is because I just spent 20 minutes cycling through bases and almost ever one of them had between 10-20k of resources and rarely I'd find one with 50k. My army alone which consists of 12 Giants, 2 healers, 6 breakers, 40 archers, 40 Gobs, and 20 Barbs costs me about 77k of elixir. I have gone from 1.5M elixir yesterday morning down to about 400k of elixir. I am going backwards and there's almost nothing I can do. The only bases that have more than 100k of resources require my full army to defeat on the rare occasion I do find one.
I'm not sure if its the loot bonus nerf effecting collectors/mines or what, but the reality of this upgrade is I'm pretty much stuck in the mud and have no ability to gain resources. I'm going to try and trophy up to see if I'm just in a bad range now with the upgrades.
That's pretty much exactly what I'm seeing. I am going backwards on elixir and barely making 50k of gold per raid. So I went from 500k-1M gold per hour with ~500k of new elixir to 150k of Gold per hour and a negative 100k of elixir (or more).Quote:
Originally Posted by nAbPwNeR
Umm, how exactly is this a good thing?