There is a way to reduce the engineered.

Hi Supercell,
I have recently complained a lot about the mismatchup.
The mismatchup is mostly driven by the highly engineered players to take advantage of war weight.

I heard you have alternative ideas to improve the matching algorithm from your recent message to me. In my opinion, as long as defense-low or defense-less players are existing, it is very hard to make it in good balance.

So, my suggestion is to find a way to reduce the engineered. One of options you may think is to put a cap for clan game. Clan games have given many rewards and those are helpful to upgrade many stuffs. So, if only normal th can participate to the clan game, then many engineers may consider to buy more def. buildings and results in lowering the engineers eventually.

The other option you may think, you may have two war categories for a better matchup system. One is for fixed war size or war participant with no engineer players. The other war categories is for just world wide clans with a standard war matching system without any cap. Then each clan will decide which category they will head to. Some clans don't care of the engineers because they are using many engineers. Some clans are not.

I have more ideas but I wanna check these options with other players first. If it is reasonable, why don't you apply it as soon as possible?

thanks

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

Hi Supercell,
I have recently complained a lot about the mismatchup.
The mismatchup is mostly driven by the highly engineered players to take advantage of war weight.

I heard you have alternative ideas to improve the matching algorithm from your recent message to me. In my opinion, as long as defense-low or defense-less players are existing, it is very hard to make it in good balance.

So, my suggestion is to find a way to reduce the engineered. One of options you may think is to put a cap for clan game. Clan games have given many rewards and those are helpful to upgrade many stuffs. So, if only normal th can participate to the clan game, then many engineers may consider to buy more def. buildings and results in lowering the engineers eventually.

The other option you may think, you may have two war categories for a better matchup system. One is for fixed war size or war participant with no engineer players. The other war categories is for just world wide clans with a standard war matching system without any cap. Then each clan will decide which category they will head to. Some clans don't care of the engineers because they are using many engineers. Some clans are not.

I have more ideas but I wanna check these options with other players first. If it is reasonable, why don't you apply it as soon as possible?

thanks

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Defining what is “engineered” isn’t easy so it isn’t a great option and excluding currently engineered accounts from clan games wouldn’t accomplish much. An easier way to address what you are referring to is to have each base have a minimum weight on defense, such as 90% of the max defense of one hall below.

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Originally Posted by 2222

Defining what is “engineered” isn’t easy so it isn’t a great option and excluding currently engineered accounts from clan games wouldn’t accomplish much. An easier way to address what you are referring to is to have each base have a minimum weight on defense, such as 90% of the max defense of one hall below.

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the detail plan may be easily adjusted. As long as players r in a same page.

Not to hijack the thread..

But you can also institute a minimum "building" limit...

Every tier you get more buildings. Those buildings have war weight.

Because you cannot really tell people how they must play, if you front load the weight of the buildings, walls and troops, and place a minimum limit of the previous levels allotment, if nothing else, they would need to build all of the previous levels buildings.. even if only to level 1.

If that makes sense...

The only other logical thought is to force players to re-validate their war bases. Opt out everyone system wide..

Those bases without all of the previous TH buildings could be locked from War (opt in is grey out)

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

the detail plan may be easily adjusted. As long as players r in a same page.

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So how do you plan on getting the millions of players on the same page?

There isn't even a consensus on what is engineering amongst the people on the forums and we are just a tiny percentage of the player base

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Originally Posted by Somethingnotalreadypicked

So how do you plan on getting the millions of players on the same page?

There isn't even a consensus on what is engineering amongst the people on the forums and we are just a tiny percentage of the player base

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in general, the less defense building n low level of def vs. offense is considered as the engineered.

supercell already pushed to have all defense buildings before they go to the upper level th.
The same treat for clan game will help a lot to lower the number of the engineered. That’s the goal of the idea, not defining the definition nor making a perfect war matching system.

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

in general, the less defense building n low level of def vs. offense is considered as the engineered.

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This is a vague description as it does not say by how much. Are .5s engineers? Many would disagree.

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

supercell already pushed to have all defense buildings before they go to the upper level th.
The same treat for clan game will help a lot to lower the number of the engineered. That’s the goal of the idea, not defining the definition nor making a perfect war matching system.

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Engineers have been around even before Clan Games. Not being able to participate in clan games will not stop them due to the low cost of progression.

Not to mention you will also be punishing the rest of the clan who may not playing lopsided bases. You are removing players that can help them get to the top tier.

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

This is a vague description as it does not say by how much. Are .5s engineers? Many would disagree.

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it means many would agree, too

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Originally Posted by Gorbash098

Engineers have been around even before Clan Games. Not being able to participate in clan games will not stop them due to the low cost of progression.

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at least, they can’t grow fast because they won’t receive the rewards. Also, if your fact is true, why supercell made all def. buildings as a requirement for going to upper level? Your critics doesn’t make any sense either. S

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

it means many would agree, too

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Haha so the player base is not on the same page and therefore the definition of engineer is not universally accepted.

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

at least, they can’t grow fast because they won’t receive the rewards. Also, if your fact is true, why supercell made all def. building as a requirement for going to upper level? Your critics doesn’t make any sense either. Seems like to protect the current format due to your own benefits.

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Which fact and criticism are you referring to?

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Originally Posted by Clemsonkim

in general, the less defense building n low level of def vs. offense is considered as the engineered.

supercell already pushed to have all defense buildings before they go to the upper level th.
The same treat for clan game will help a lot to lower the number of the engineered. That’s the goal of the idea, not defining the definition nor making a perfect war matching system.

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The same treatment for clan games would completely wreck the game, and would be totally unfair.

Saying you had to have all defensive buildings before you could enter clan games would mean you couldn't enter them when you have just upfgraded your TH - just the tie when you need them most.

It would severely reduce the incentive to upgrade TH, which is very much against what SC want, and what most players would want.

And it wouldn't even make any difference to engineers - most of them don't want to upgrade, so don't need clan games rewards.