Mitigating trophies dump

You wake up in the morning to find a big/huge pile of trophies on that nice front lawn. You ask around and some of the archers do mention that during your absence, few heroes from various other clans came by for a very short [2-3 seconds] visit and left behind a bunch of trophies. each. congratulations, you're on a higher league now... and good luck on your next battle.

Simply put - I suggest that battles which are too short or include too few troops will not warrant trophies changing hands. The proper formula will take into account the total of troops-weight used by the attacker and the total time spend attacking. A result under certain threshold means the battle was not really a battle, there was no effort in "defending" and so trophies shouldn't change hands.

If in doubt, start with the common scenario of one or more heroes, "attacking" for no more than 2-3 seconds, then ending the battle.

This, in my opinion, will greatly mitigate the bad habit of dumping ones possessions on their neighbors lawn.

Part of the appeal of clash is the flexibility to stay where you want trophy wise to farm or to push higher if you choose. There’s no need to change the mechanics of the game because you’re fussy about your lawn.

Clearly if you’re upset about being pushed into a higher league you have trophy range you like to stay in right? And surely with you’re point of view you don’t go dump those unwanted trophies on others?

SC might like it but I sure don't. If I want to drop trophies, which is rare on some of my bases and common on others, I want to be able to do it.

I do kind of wonder what SC thinks about it though. It is the only game that I have played where losing is a good strategy. Well, minus illegal game fixing in professional sports. :P

One other thought OP, you're in a league that is low enough for your level that this happens a lot. How did you get so low? :) You have been dropping trophies?

@StormHeart I don't see your last comment as funny and take this rather seriously.

to answer your questions:
I got to the level I got mainly through farming and over many years. let's just say I'm not a young player, I don't have much time to play and am not very good at battles. I enjoy building my village and occasionally trying to win a battle, which is rather difficult when I'm in a league high above my abilities.
Being pushed to higher league not only prevents me from going to battles against people with similar level of skill, it also means that most attackers are kicking my *** and walking away with everything I farmed.
The game mechanics were originally built to avoid such occurrences because over time, losing in these kind of attacks should have put me in a lower league, but it doesn't work when other players "play to lose".
Life isn't fair - games can be better.

There’s no need to penalize active players who want maintain a steady trophy range. The game doesn’t need to be tailored to players that aren’t that active. Trophy dropping may be a big deal in your eyes but in the scope of the overall game it’s a minor inconvenience.

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Originally Posted by Monoxide

There’s no need to penalize active players who want maintain a steady trophy range. The game doesn’t need to be tailored to players that aren’t that active. Trophy dropping may be a big deal in your eyes but in the scope of the overall game it’s a minor inconvenience.

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I agree. It’s just not a big deal. If you are being pushed up it trophies while you are offline, spend 5 minuets dropping down to where you are comfortable playing. I fail to see the problem here.

@monoxide It would have been ok if the method you suggest for maintaining a steady trophy range wasn't on my expense, as well as many other players like me. This is a loophole in the game mechanics and we all know it. If it's so important to you to lower your trophy level, by all means do so by spending the time and the troops on each losing battle.
It doesn't make sense to leave it so easy for you to get what you want on other players' expense. It is a great game and we are all entitled to enjoy it. Trophy dumping is a sort of bulling which shouldn't be rationalized or accepted. All I'm saying is that "playing to lose" shouldn't be so easy. Frankly, I don't mind that the attacker will lose his trophies in a 2-seconds-battle, as long as the defender doesn't get them.

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

@monoxide It would have been ok if the method you suggest for maintaining a steady trophy range wasn't on my expense, as well as many other players like me. This is a loophole in the game mechanics and we all know it. If it's so important to you to lower your trophy level, by all means do so by spending the time and the troops on each losing battle.
It doesn't make sense to leave it so easy for you to get what you want on other players' expense. It is a great game and we are all entitled to enjoy it. Trophy dumping is a sort of bulling which shouldn't be rationalized or accepted. All I'm saying is that "playing to lose" shouldn't be so easy. Frankly, I don't mind that the attacker will lose his trophies in a 2-seconds-battle, as long as the defender doesn't get them.

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I know you elaborated a bit in your first post, but you can't seriously make a fuss about spending 2~5 minutes more in a game? You only have to drop your AQ or BK, press the ability (for keeping them healthy) and quit. Do that a few times and you are back to your original trophy count as you where before you logged off. Kinda ironic you think about that people in Legends complain about losing to much trophy's :p

If everyone think this is how this game should be played, and if SC think the same, then I guess that's the way it will stay.
I still see trophy dumb as a loophole in the game mechanics that should be fixed rather than endorsed.

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

@monoxide It would have been ok if the method you suggest for maintaining a steady trophy range wasn't on my expense, as well as many other players like me. This is a loophole in the game mechanics and we all know it.

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Disagree. If I want to move up in trophy range it will be at the expense or your trophy count and loot and if I want to move down it will be at another players expense as well. It’s not a loophole just because you don’t like it. It’s a part of the game.

I didn't intend to offend you and I'm sorry. It won't happen again.

it is unlikely but possible that you are older than me. I'm 59.

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

@StormHeart I don't see your last comment as funny and take this rather seriously.

to answer your questions:
I got to the level I got mainly through farming and over many years. let's just say I'm not a young player, I don't have much time to play and am not very good at battles. I enjoy building my village and occasionally trying to win a battle, which is rather difficult when I'm in a league high above my abilities.
Being pushed to higher league not only prevents me from going to battles against people with similar level of skill, it also means that most attackers are kicking my *** and walking away with everything I farmed.
The game mechanics were originally built to avoid such occurrences because over time, losing in these kind of attacks should have put me in a lower league, but it doesn't work when other players "play to lose".
Life isn't fair - games can be better.

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If your problem is “I’m getting to high in trophies because of trophy dropping”, rather than suggest an entire update for a very small minority of players experiencing a minor inconvenience, fight fire with fire and drop trophies yourself. It’s not that hard and takes under a minute. I really don’t see why you have to ask SC to fix your problem when you can easily solve the problem yourself. Also multiplayer attacks are suppossed to be zero sum so you’d hurt the players who trophy drop which outnumbers players like yourself.

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

@monoxide It would have been ok if the method you suggest for maintaining a steady trophy range wasn't on my expense, as well as many other players like me. This is a loophole in the game mechanics and we all know it. If it's so important to you to lower your trophy level, by all means do so by spending the time and the troops on each losing battle.
It doesn't make sense to leave it so easy for you to get what you want on other players' expense. It is a great game and we are all entitled to enjoy it. Trophy dumping is a sort of bulling which shouldn't be rationalized or accepted. All I'm saying is that "playing to lose" shouldn't be so easy. Frankly, I don't mind that the attacker will lose his trophies in a 2-seconds-battle, as long as the defender doesn't get them.

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Trophy dumping is bullying and shouldn’t be accepted? Are you being serious?

I went to bed last night... woke up to the news.. i'd inherited 431 trophies overnight.. :facepalm:

The best solution would be changing the matching sistem. A matching sistem mainly based on exp lv, you will be matched with players around your exp lv (10 exp lv higger or lower, for example) and as another minor factor the amount of trophies, this way the game could be more fair. At least you will be facing players with your same level of development, well thats my opinion.

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Originally Posted by GodlyMortal

Trophy dumping is bullying and shouldn’t be accepted? Are you being serious?

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I can see my suggestion evokes some strong emotions, and judging by it it seems that trophy dumping takes an important roll in your game strategy.
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a. maybe that's just me but spending time just "moving the trash" to someone else is not something I would enjoy as part of the game
b. since the battle is so short there's no shield so there's no limit to the amount of trophies you can be "donated" over night
c. if you don't think this is bullying, consider this similar real-life scenario. If I agree to meet my neighbor so we can throw water-balloons on each other that's fine and we both would "suffer the consequences" and later on clean torn balloon pieces from our lawns. If my neighbor decide to come at night, and for his own purposes [say, practice], throw balloons all over my yard and leave me with the trash - that's not cool. Now you come along and suggest that the most "reasonable" option for me is to dump all this trash all over the neighborhood. now this doesn't make much sense at all.

Yes yes, I know it is "a part of the game" and all that, and of course it is my business if I'm willing to take it or just quit playing, but I'm not sure that goes with the same "world view" SC seem to advocate and so I thought it interesting to suggest.
Since attendance in this forum is naturally from the more experienced players, maybe someone would take the side of the "minority of players" as someone called us, the ones that don't enjoy to face an extra 400-500 trophies each morning. :)

ps. even a better idea, although much more complicated to develop and maintain - the game will "tag" players that engage in trophy dumping and will strongly improve the odds for them to be matched with other such tagged players. This way all the players who enjoy it can "exchange" trophies with each other and leave the rest of us with clean lawn XD

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

I can see my suggestion evokes some strong emotions, and judging by it it seems that trophy dumping takes an important roll in your game strategy.
However:
a. maybe that's just me but spending time just "moving the trash" to someone else is not something I would enjoy as part of the game
b. since the battle is so short there's no shield so there's no limit to the amount of trophies you can be "donated" over night
c. if you don't think this is bullying, consider this similar real-life scenario. If I agree to meet my neighbor so we can throw water-balloons on each other that's fine and we both would "suffer the consequences" and later on clean torn balloon pieces from our lawns. If my neighbor decide to come at night, and for his own purposes [say, practice], throw balloons all over my yard and leave me with the trash - that's not cool. Now you come along and suggest that the most "reasonable" option for me is to dump all this trash all over the neighborhood. now this doesn't make much sense at all.

Yes yes, I know it is "a part of the game" and all that, and of course it is my business if I'm willing to take it or just quit playing, but I'm not sure that goes with the same "world view" SC seem to advocate and so I thought it interesting to suggest.
Since attendance in this forum is naturally from the more experienced players, maybe someone would take the side of the "minority of players" as someone called us, the ones that don't enjoy to face an extra 400-500 trophies each morning. :)

ps. even a better idea, although much more complicated to develop and maintain - the game will "tag" players that engage in trophy dumping and will strongly improve the odds for them to be matched with other such tagged players. This way all the players who enjoy it can "exchange" trophies with each other and leave the rest of us with clean lawn XD

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It’s not a major part of my strategy and even if it was that doesn’t invalidate my argument or validate yours.

a. Fair enough, entitiled to your own opinion
b. There’s also no limit on how much you can drop
c. Not only is this not similar it’s invalid. Trophies are not trash, in multiplayer one player loses only not both, gaining trophies isn’t necessarily a bad thing while gaining trash is, and trophies can easily be disposed of. You’re making this more complicated than it needs to be.

Don’t really see your point on bringing up experienced players. Me, Monoxide, Bigdome757, etc are experienced and against you. Being experienced doesn’t necessarily make you right if that’s what you’re arguing.

If you’re gaining 400-500 cups every night that’s completely your fault and on you. If you hate cups so much why are you in such a low league? Farming doesn’t have to occur below crystal league you know. There are pros and cons of every league and consequences for every choice. The con and consequence of being and staying in a low league is gaining tons of trophies overnight. If you can’t take the time and effor to push to a higher league where this doesn’t happen (which isn’t very hard) why should SC invest time and effort making a change for you? I also like how you avoided my other post and went for the one consisting of only two sentences instead.

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Originally Posted by GodlyMortal

It’s not a major part of my strategy and even if it was that doesn’t invalidate my argument or validate yours.

a. Fair enough, entitiled to your own opinion
b. There’s also no limit on how much you can drop
c. Not only is this not similar it’s invalid. Trophies are not trash, in multiplayer one player loses only not both, gaining trophies isn’t necessarily a bad thing while gaining trash is, and trophies can easily be disposed of. You’re making this more complicated than it needs to be.

Don’t really see your point on bringing up experienced players. Me, Monoxide, Bigdome757, etc are experienced and against you. Being experienced doesn’t necessarily make you right if that’s what you’re arguing.

If you’re gaining 400-500 cups every night that’s completely your fault and on you. If you hate cups so much why are you in such a low league? Farming doesn’t have to occur below crystal league you know. There are pros and cons of every league and consequences for every choice. The con and consequence of being and staying in a low league is gaining tons of trophies overnight. If you can’t take the time and effor to push to a higher league where this doesn’t happen (which isn’t very hard) why should SC invest time and effort making a change for you? I also like how you avoided my other post and went for the one consisting of only two sentences instead.

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I agree completely. Not sure why Dave thinks experienced players will side with him. I think this thread has already proven they will not

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

I can see my suggestion evokes some strong emotions, and judging by it it seems that trophy dumping takes an important roll in your game strategy.
However:
a. maybe that's just me but spending time just "moving the trash" to someone else is not something I would enjoy as part of the game

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Understandable, but very rarely necessary, and onky takes a few minutes when ut is.

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b. since the battle is so short there's no shield so there's no limit to the amount of trophies you can be "donated" over night

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True, though I have never received more than 100 that way. But it really doesn't matter. If you have managed to get higher than you like, it only takes a few minutes to drop again. Though I've always found that when I want to stay low, after initialky getting down there, I've hardly ever had to drop more deliberatley.

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c. if you don't think this is bullying,

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Nobody here thinks it isn't bulkying. We all know it isn't. Not even remotely close to any definition I have ever seen of the word. I don't know what definition of the term you are using to think it might be.

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Yes yes, I know it is "a part of the game" and all that, and of course it is my business if I'm willing to take it or just quit playing, but I'm not sure that goes with the same "world view" SC seem to advocate and so I thought it interesting to suggest.

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I have no idea what oart if Supercell's world view it conflicts with. I'm not even sure what you are defining as their "world view"

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Since attendance in this forum is naturally from the more experienced players, maybe someone would take the side of the "minority of players" as someone called us, the ones that don't enjoy to face an extra 400-500 trophies each morning. :)

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As you say, forumers here do tend to be some of the more experienced players. Which means you aren't going to find many who share your view.

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Originally Posted by DaveTheBrave

a. maybe that's just me but spending time just "moving the trash" to someone else is not something I would enjoy as part of the game

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A. Oke, not sure how much "trash" you get every day. But if you are in the right league you won't get that much "trash". If you are a TH11 / TH12 (I don't know what you are), you can farm in Champs/Titans (even legends with clouding). I'm pretty sure you won't get a lot of "trash" on your Clash lawn in titans. Nearly 0 "trash" in legends.

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b. since the battle is so short there's no shield so there's no limit to the amount of trophies you can be "donated" over night

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B. See A, shouldn't be a problem.

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c. if you don't think this is bullying, consider this similar real-life scenario. If I agree to meet my neighbor so we can throw water-balloons on each other that's fine and we both would "suffer the consequences" and later on clean torn balloon pieces from our lawns. If my neighbor decide to come at night, and for his own purposes [say, practice], throw balloons all over my yard and leave me with the trash - that's not cool. Now you come along and suggest that the most "reasonable" option for me is to dump all this trash all over the neighborhood. now this doesn't make much sense at all.

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C. Uh Wut? That's a horrible metaphor. The closes I can think of is giving your neighbor a better potential job. For the same amount of work he can earn more. (Leagues / league bonus)

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Yes yes, I know it is "a part of the game" and all that, and of course it is my business if I'm willing to take it or just quit playing, but I'm not sure that goes with the same "world view" SC seem to advocate and so I thought it interesting to suggest.
Since attendance in this forum is naturally from the more experienced players, maybe someone would take the side of the "minority of players" as someone called us, the ones that don't enjoy to face an extra 400-500 trophies each morning.

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See answer A. I don't wake up with +100 trophies if I'm in the correct league for my TH (High Champs +). You are in a to low of a league / dropping yourself. Else you won't have this problem. Of course when I'm in Crystal league with my TH12 I wake up sometimes with +200~450, BECAUSE I DON'T BELONG THERE! To mitigate those trophies (because I like to cheap farm there) I take out my AQ and snipe Elixir and Dark Elixir. On the way down I get a nice profit of loot, in the end it comes back to farming loot. Win - Win

Describing trophy dumping as bullying is I am afraid absurd. At best it can be annoying.

When doing unbreakable I spent a good few weeks down in bronze/silver. It was a little annoying every morning in particular to find that I have been moved up considerably in trophies by these folks dumping trophies on me.

But it would take literally minutes to get back down to where I wanted to be.

And of course I myself was doing the trophy dumping to get down to where I wanted to be.

It is part and parcel of the trophy system, it is not something that requires a fix imo.