Bowlers/bo-witch still too strong

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Originally Posted by SilverX

So whenever we met an opponent with really good and updated base design (that clearly could prevent BoWitch from getting 3 stars), I dropped a hint in the clan chat that this guy war base is really good, somebody should copy it. And whenever they did, we are going to get better in war as a result.

Sure we are casual, but come on, if we are reluctant to improve/update our war bases, surely we can't complain about BoWitch being OP when our war opponent could stop such attack. This game isn't just require us to update ourselves to the newest attacking strategy, but to the newest defensive strategy too.

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This exactly! If one can't attack well/don't want to learn multistage attacks, the best thing they can do for the clan is just to copy difficult layout people struggle against in war. So everytime the war is lost because of some tough bases, copy them and you clan becomes stronger for the next round.

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Originally Posted by Plyc

Anyway if anyone wants to come try spam bowitch on my bases, this is an open invite to y'all. Clan tag: #8YP8QLO Just state you're here for the friendly challenge and if I'm online I'll accept.

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Are you sure your clan tag is right? Seems missing a digit/letter.

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Originally Posted by Taijikid

Are you sure your clan tag is right? Seems missing a digit/letter.

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You're right, #8YPY8QLO

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Won’t do my usual text wall thing, I’ll keep it relatively brief.

The good: We could almost be embarking on a new golden age of war balance.
Siege machine has made all kinds of 2 phase attacks possible, given them enough wiggle room to be realistically feasible.
Bravo for that one SC.

The bad: bowler heavy spam attacks are still so strong (again helped heavily by the siege machine) that well designed bases (the ones that make KS entry points as difficult as possible, such as you commonly see in league play) are probably more likely to get flattened by a simple spam; where narrow entry isn’t a problem as half of the army is funnelling.

Mass, target any troops MUST be relatively weaker than def targeting troops, because of the comparative risks.
Hogs and loons look in great shape atm, very powerful 10v10, 11v11, and quite likely strong enough to make max 12 3* difficult but possible.
But the lower risk attacks are still carrying that bit too much reward for me.

Again, MUCH more positive than my moans of the last year. I think it’s very close to a near perfect war scene.
Just not quite.

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Please don't get on the gripping about bowitch ban wagon,they already nerfed the bowlers,yes if they are used correctly they are a power house,but I've seen plenty of players barley grab a 1 star on a th12 using bowitch,and max troops and high lvl heros,so just because your base gets wrecked by bowitch don't try and get it nerfed more,my th12 gets wrecked by miners I'm not complaining they are way too strong, "but yes the miners are too Op sheesh 😁" ,so change up your war base and upgrade your defense,k? ✌🍻

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Originally Posted by Superfinch30

Won’t do my usual text wall thing, I’ll keep it relatively brief.

The good: We could almost be embarking on a new golden age of war balance.
Siege machine has made all kinds of 2 phase attacks possible, given them enough wiggle room to be realistically feasible.
Bravo for that one SC.

The bad: bowler heavy spam attacks are still so strong (again helped heavily by the siege machine) that well designed bases (the ones that make KS entry points as difficult as possible, such as you commonly see in league play) are probably more likely to get flattened by a simple spam; where narrow entry isn’t a problem as half of the army is funnelling.

Mass, target any troops MUST be relatively weaker than def targeting troops, because of the comparative risks.
Hogs and loons look in great shape atm, very powerful 10v10, 11v11, and quite likely strong enough to make max 12 3* difficult but possible.
But the lower risk attacks are still carrying that bit too much reward for me.

Again, MUCH more positive than my moans of the last year. I think it’s very close to a near perfect war scene.
Just not quite.

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NO! I am sorry, but I think your focus on spam attacks is incorrect because your reasons are about a very small percentage of the players. The so called "top" player.

I believe you were once in the matches at SC headquarters showing that you were a pretty good player. So you are well above average so you probably can pull off some decent attacks.

Me on the other hand cannot pull off those fancy 3 step queenwalks without mistakes and doing a 1 star attack in war. I rather use a spam attack which gives me a nice 2 star with some skill. And yes it is spam and "easy". But it is FUN for me, and lots of other casual players.

So please stop trying to take away a fun attack for lots of players.

I bet u guys will find it weak once the th12 will start getting max defenses.

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Originally Posted by SOUMYA1994

I bet u guys will find it weak once the th12 will start getting max defenses.

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It'll still be stronger than the other strats; or do you think that loons and hogs are magically immune to max defenses?

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Originally Posted by Vshin

It'll still be stronger than the other strats; or do you think that loons and hogs are magically immune to max defenses?

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No which is why people like Superfinch should do threads on troops needing a buff instead of troops needing a nerf. The game would become boring if we went back to the TH 10 days when it was a 2 star game and you knew the winner the moment you matched.

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Originally Posted by MyNameIsHeisenberg

No which is why people like Superfinch should do threads on troops needing a buff instead of troops needing a nerf. The game would become boring if we went back to the TH 10 days when it was a 2 star game and you knew the winner the moment you matched.

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But the other troops no longer need buffing.
Hogs, and loons are perfectly viable at th11 and 12 now, they are far more forgiving than ever before, because of the extra work siege machine can get done.

I’m abandoning thread. Fora are most definitely intended for debate, but so few people are debating the crux of my issue.

Sorry Finchy I get what you're trying to achieve I've followed this thread and your previous bowler Nerf threads, I understand why you are wanting SC to carefully balance bowlers so they arent the go to troop, but I'll wait until I see max bowlers against a max 12 before I call for a nerf if necessary. I guess I'm enjoying playing with them too much.

I saw another round of bowitch fails in our war today, we had three 1 stars on our th12s with max bowitch and high heros, I lolled, saw we've won he war, and moved on.