Tank must be aware when were the eagle dropped, 2 wars ago my opponent dropped 2 eagles on their top 2 bases in prep day, in was not there in the first hour we got we matchQuote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
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Tank must be aware when were the eagle dropped, 2 wars ago my opponent dropped 2 eagles on their top 2 bases in prep day, in was not there in the first hour we got we matchQuote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
It once was the weight used for defense in the matchmaker. It still has some meaning as it tends to show the defensive strength of the bases in order, although as has been discussed above, because of its shortcomings it doesn’t do a good job of that with some types of bases (such as a 9.11 ranking lower in gold weight but defending better than bases above it). The question is whether SC still uses those gold weights or now has a different set of weights and just hasn’t told anyone. I don’t think SC should tell us what the weights are, but I do think SC should tell us if the gold weights are no longer being used by the matchmaker.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExpertSAQ
Well darian did tell us and therefore imply they arent using it by stating that the unplaced buildings are accounted for in the matchmaking.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
They wont show up in the gold total because without placing them the difficulty of the base will not increase but they are "allegedly" being accounted for.
The gold storage is useful for showing the defensive strength of the base but not for the amount of war weight a base contributes to a given war
Interesting bits straight from the source, which I don't think anyone's been looking at. Updated 90 days ago - https://supercell.helpshift.com/a/cl...p-in-clan-wars
"Town Hall levels aren't a deciding factor in matchmaking either." There goes my loose TH matching, unless they're being a little loose with the language and its a 'contributing' rather than 'deciding' factor. Direct contradiction to Darian's statement a while back about the MM trying hard to match THs.
"Matchmaking aims to match Clans with similar ratios of offensive and defensive power against each other." Very interesting. Lopsided vs lopsided, even vs even? Not sure that's what we're seeing, though it could be more of a tendency than a rule. Explains the Blombardo effect though (clan so heavily lopsided no match could be found).
ETA something similar has been hinted at/theorized, lopsided penalty etc., but don't think I've seen "ratio" as the key metric before.
"Finally, matchmaking will factor in Win/Loss records." I take that as confirmation its not specifically 'win streak' as a criteria, though I'm sure not everyone will see it that way.
ive always thought the appearance of townhall matching was done by a relevant proxy like presence of warden, presence of 5 spells, presence of archer Queen etc. Makes more sense and would provide a better foundation and still provide the appearance of loose townhall matching which helps reduce the appearance of mismatches.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
agree however deciding factor/ contributing factor language provides uncertainty.
They didn’t draft it very well. On the one hand, the entire context of it suggests hall level isn’t a factor at all. However, that one sentence right after saying trophies don’t matter they say hall level isn’t a “deciding factor.” If hall level wasn’t a factor at all, you would just say hall level isn’t a factor. The addition of the qualifier “deciding” suggests hall level actually IS a factor, but isn’t an absolute deciding requirement.Quote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
My age old hypothesis is rescued by 2222 and Viking! Though perhaps on life support. Oh well whether true or not, its a significant part of our streak. Which we'll probably lose shortly. But not this day....Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Good catch Tank. I hadn't noticed that. As stated above, it's strangely worded.:straightface:Quote:
Originally Posted by TankSinatra
I think that "deciding" could mean anything or nothing. Indeed if TH played no part at all they could have omitted that word. However they might have been aware that TH12 was coming, where it is a sort of factor as it's a defence. They might have considered that TH correlates to strength indirectly, so many wars do sort of match TH to TH, because things like spell and camp upgrades push up offence scores. Or they might just have been waffling. So I think it's hard to conclude that TH does play some direct part in matching from that. All it really rules out is that TH is an overwhelming factor - which is obvious anyway from the matches where the THs are rather different each side.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2222
Seems to suggest they mainly look at defence and offence weights, and try and match them. In so doing, loose hall matching would be a natural by product anyway, since both clans would need to be within the given tolerance.
The win/loss record strikes me as odd. I feel that is their attempt at recent war performance, but to say win/loss doesn't fit in with what we see. I feel some of it has been lost in translation, but if they do, indeed, try to match both off and def, as separate entities, and tightened the screw on both, then it would explain a lot of the non matching.