Game AI is STUPID and UNFAIR

I have made a unique thread for posting replays that show how "CRAZY" troops are. As the name of this forum is "iOS bugs & Problem" shows, it contains only problems, no answer will be made. It means the problems are yours (players'), not our business (supercell's). Even the reporting system has collapsed. All my reports are checked as solved without a simple reply.

The following record show "my problems" (not yours):

1. Barbarians deployed at 0:15 attack a gold miner while the opponent's barbarian king and archer queen are too close
2. Wizard deployed at 0:19 continues the barbarians' unfinished job despite I locate him at the position of archers
3. 2/3 of giants deployed at 0:31 head towards the King altar while only 1/3 of them attack the wall surrounding an archer tower
4. Giants are divided into 2 groups, one attack wall, the rest attack an archer tower near that
5. At 0:47, all giants attack (many) walls leaving the two canons live in madness while they are very very close to them.
6. At 1:01, I intend to drop one healer, then golbins. The selection bar is stuck and the last healer is deployed in place of goblins
7. At 1:04, the giants separate again, one take care of wall (again), one move around the wall to attack the canon (they are supposed to do it 17s ago)
8. At 1:27, a group of archers (on the right hand) finish a barrack, they turn to attack the wall while there is an archer tower just on their sight (or an army camp near there)
9. At 1:28, King starts attacking wall while there is a dark driller just near there (even a little archer can know that)
10. At 1:56, an xbow is collapsed (and the king is dizzy), the last giant start attack the wall (again). The problem is that wall is not close to any defense building

If the player that I have attacked has purchased for gems therefore is protected under supercell's super power, then please forgive me. On the other hand, please help the game AI, the letter I stands for the word "intelligence", not "stupid"!

http://youtu.be/cXLLSy-6byE

I'll try to help you understand some things here.
1. In my experience, troops do not attack enemy troops or heroes until the enemy start attacking the group that your troops are in. Thus the BK is not a 'live' target for the barbs until it starts attacking troops very close to them.
2. The wizard attacked a different target to the Archers because a Wizard has a slightly shorter range.
3. Even if you deploy a group of troops without moving your finger at all (I'm not sure if your finger moved slightly or not) the troops deploy slightly around the spot where your finger is touching the screen. So as not all of the giants were deployed in the same place, they attacked different targets.
4. There is often an element of luck in which target a troop attack. As the giants' programming means that it would be very close as to which target they chose, and they walked through the wall gap at slightly different angles owing to one group walking through before the other, the group attacked 2 different targets.
5. The 2 cannons are far away from the giants, whereas the defences are separated by a single wall. Some attack the cannons, some attack the walls. That is what giants do.
6. Nothing to do with the selection bar being 'stuck', you just didn't touch the screen properly.
9. The drill is quite far away, whereas the storage is right next to it.
10. I'm not quite sure what your problem is with number 10, the giant attacked the wall leading to the closest defence.

As for the bit about SC protecting the gemmers, we both know that that is ridiculous. And while the 'I' stands for intelligence, the 'A' stands for artificial.

I think all in all the devs have done a great job with the programming, far better than most of the other games that I have played or made. Until I can do better (at the moment I can't, the best game I have created is here: unblokaball.weebly.com), I won't complain about the excellent job they have done.

These explanations are just from my experience, I'm sure some of them are correct, perhaps some are not. But I've spent quite a bit of time trying to answer your questions, so I hope I helped!

-H

Dear MrH,

Thank you for your kindness of helping me figure out something I may have not known. I started this thread because I believe in my experience of having been playing CoC for 9 months. Moreover, I have already watched the replay several times to make sure that nothing unacceptable will be made.

1. Troops do not attack the opponents' troops (including Heros) if they are not attacked first. In the videos, the King and Queen have been attacking my barbarians. At 0:13, there are 2 of 6 deployed barbarians instantly attack the Heros while the rest select the gold miner. At 0:16, 100% of deployed archers instantly attack the heros while the barbarians are attacking the gold miner. I think the barbarians are much closer to the heros in comparison to archers, and they are being attacked!
2. I don't know how shorter in range a wizard can attack, but he is deployed at the position where my troops are being attacked. Any troop has a search radius, and it is the key to determine what the troop should attack. In the past, my Queen stopped attacking a building and moved 4 tiles away to attack the 10-tile-far enemy King. It's funny?
3. I have shared a lot of replays, the problem is not "moving fingers", in fact it is the way the system works. In the past, I deployed 16 giants by dropping and holding my only one finger, 15 of them attack walls to reach the . The rest move about 15 tiles away to attack a defense building. (You may have a look at this). Such case happens regularly (slightly different between each)
4. Giants are divided into 2 groups, the left one attack the 2nd archer tower. The canon on the left is not far as it and the collapsed archer tower are separated by only one gold miner (no wall). If it is "far", how could the left group find a way to the 3th archer tower rather than trying to break the wall to the air defense (I believe it is closer). You may also look at the aboved post, giants break the wall, the closest defense bulding is air defense (which is behind the wall), but the giants attack the wizard tower first. The concept of "closest" is fuzzy. I think the element of luck is the most important factor in the game no matter how clever a player is, isn't it?
5. I have tested for times. It can be stuck (don't know how). Such case doesn't happen constantly and cannot be captured by screenshot or camera doesn't mean it doesn't exist! There was a time that I couldn't select any troop for 5-6 seconds no matter how many times I pressed on it. I have reported this case, and no one cares!
6. I don't think search radius of King is less than an archer. You can see there is an archer far behind the King steps forward to attack the dark driller while the King attack the wall and the Queen attack the gold storage. The archer is supposed to attack the gold storage first because it is completely closer to her.
7. The giant should step forward to attack the wall between the dark storage and wizard tower. The wall he attack does not closely surround any defense building.

As I have played for 9 months and started thousands of battles, I know exactly what is supposed to happen. The concept of luck is good, but it should not cause to much weird things!

I definitely appreciate your help. It shows that my belief may be not quite right and I should take some revolutions in my mind. For me, I accept reasonable failure only. This case is quite unacceptale and must be offically explained!

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Originally Posted by MrH

I'll try to help you understand some things here.
1. In my experience, troops do not attack enemy troops or heroes until the enemy start attacking the group that your troops are in. Thus the BK is not a 'live' target for the barbs until it starts attacking troops very close to them.
2. The wizard attacked a different target to the Archers because a Wizard has a slightly shorter range.
3. Even if you deploy a group of troops without moving your finger at all (I'm not sure if your finger moved slightly or not) the troops deploy slightly around the spot where your finger is touching the screen. So as not all of the giants were deployed in the same place, they attacked different targets.
4. There is often an element of luck in which target a troop attack. As the giants' programming means that it would be very close as to which target they chose, and they walked through the wall gap at slightly different angles owing to one group walking through before the other, the group attacked 2 different targets.
5. The 2 cannons are far away from the giants, whereas the defences are separated by a single wall. Some attack the cannons, some attack the walls. That is what giants do.
6. Nothing to do with the selection bar being 'stuck', you just didn't touch the screen properly.
9. The drill is quite far away, whereas the storage is right next to it.
10. I'm not quite sure what your problem is with number 10, the giant attacked the wall leading to the closest defence.

As for the bit about SC protecting the gemmers, we both know that that is ridiculous. And while the 'I' stands for intelligence, the 'A' stands for artificial.

I think all in all the devs have done a great job with the programming, far better than most of the other games that I have played or made. Until I can do better (at the moment I can't, the best game I have created is here: unblokaball.weebly.com), I won't complain about the excellent job they have done.

These explanations are just from my experience, I'm sure some of them are correct, perhaps some are not. But I've spent quite a bit of time trying to answer your questions, so I hope I helped!

-H

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I think it's fair, it made raiding a bit more harder wich I find fun :rolleyes:

My favourite thing:

Healer Ai, it makes me laugh so much! Especially when my healer kept one archer going for ages while my giants were killed, just so the archer could take out a wall!

Agreeing with OP a bit, but I don't think it is THAT severe. AI does need a bit of improvement, but I'd prioritise other update material before this.

Game AI shouldn't take any improvement as it hasn't worked consistently. The problem is that it controls troops too much differrently between battles that makes me feel extremely uncertain about making any decision. On the other hand, I am raided by "clever" troops. Two dragons try to follow an in-clan giant, they stop doing that right away when they have reached my dark elixir storage (the giant is walking out there). I lost all dark elixir by their "luck". No fun here! :mad:

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Originally Posted by HoAhNam

I lost all dark elixir by their "luck". No fun here! :mad:

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Two main things here.

Firstly, there is no luck in programming unless there is a RNG. In this case I can be quite sure that there is no RNG, and thus there is no luck. Everything is calculated PERFECTLY, computers do not make mistakes.

Secondly, if there is no fun here...I wonder why you play.

It's not easy programming a game as complicated as this, I certainly for one will not complain about minor things which will take many hours to change. I'd much rather SC spent their time developing new things for the game instead of changing something that does not need changing.

The game AI could use some improvements, mainly the random wall attacking, but everything in the video you posted is pretty much supposed to happen. Troops go for the closest target, and sometimes that target is behind them or to the side. It's so,something you just gotta get use to.

I am wondering about the meaning of "closest". Is it whether the length of the path a troop must follow to get access to a target (including getting around wall) or simply the distance without the affection of wall? Ther are many times that giants don't behave consistently:

1. After attacking a defense building, they start breaking wall and leaving another defense building untouched that is 3-tile far and not surrounded by any wall
2. After attacking a defense building, they start moving along a tunnel to reach another defense building that is 8 to 10 tiles far while there is a defense building behind walls that is as close as 2 tiles
3. After attacking a defense building, major part of them refuse to attack another 3-tile far one but get a trip for 20 tiles (get around a 10-tile long wall)
4. After being deployed, the giants target a 11-tile far defense building that is party protected by wall (they have to move on a path of 16 tiles) and ignore the one that is very close to the position of deployment (about 5-tile in distance)

Not even giant, even wall breaker has issue of detecting target. Sometimes he explodes at an already-exploded wall. Sometimes he target walls that has nothing inside. Is that the perfection of calculation?

We have a discussion about "PERFECT CALCULATION." Here I have another replay that takes me a lot of time to think about the meaning of "closest".

We all know that each troop has its favorite targets, and he/she will find the "closest" and possible way to reach them.

The following video shows that everything is perfect until 00:47, a unique group of giants have finished a wizard tower, then they are divided into 2 groups: one go straight forward to the next defense building (air defense), the larger one make a long journey to an archer tower. It's no doubt that air defense is completely closer to the giants at 0:47 in comparison to the archer tower (5 tiles vs 10 tiles).

Anyone has any idea?

http://youtu.be/TqqR1OS3l60